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Wallace's line is the point at which there have been no land bridges to Australia for many millions of years. This is why placentals never got to Australia.
Nope. It's just a theory.

In this case, your preconceived notions are forcing you to assert your ideas as fact.

Barbarian denies the evidence for a global flood, while the Bible says there was one.


Wrong, of course. Would you like this explained to you again?

Give us one bit of that evidence. Show us some of that evidence for a global flood. What have you got?

Billions of dead things frozen in rock the world over from the deepest trenches to the highest mountains.
 

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So give us one bit of that evidence. And no, "just watch the video" won't work. If you don't understand it well enough to explain it to us, what makes you think it's right?

One more time. Show us some of that evidence for a global flood.

What have you got?

"No evidence" he says.

Look around you, Barbarian.

The evidence is LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.

https://kgov.com/hydroplate-theory-and-walt-brown-on-the-global-flood

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There's two lists in the above link, one for atheists, one for Christians. You might be interested in [one or both]***.

Ignoring portions of my post where I give you evidence and then demanding I give you evidence is extremely dishonest, Barb.

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You are. Wallace's line is the point at which there have been no land bridges to Australia for many millions of years. This is why placentals never got to Australia.



In this case, your preconceived notions are forcing you to deny the fact.

{Barbarian points out that there is no evidence for a global flood, nor does the Bible say there was one)



Nope.



So give us one bit of that evidence. And no, "just watch the video" won't work. If you don't understand it well enough to explain it to us, what makes you think it's right?

One more time. Show us some of that evidence for a global flood.

What have you got?
Ignoring portions of my post where I give you evidence and then demanding I give you evidence is extremely dishonest, Barb.

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* Some of the Evidence for the Global Flood: We maintain this list and provide a radio broadcast by Bob Enyart and his RSR co-host Fred Williams that discusses these scientific discoveries, over at rsr.org/evidence-for-the-global-flood. So, here's a list of some of the scientific observations that corroborate the historical record of the global flood of Noah's day:
Evidence for Materialists
- An average of a mile deep of sedimentary layers on the continents
- Billions of dead things laid down by water in strata all over the Earth
- A documented extinction event that destroyed 90% of all the species (multicellular ones) that lived in the oceans
- Sufficient water in our two-mile deep oceans to cover the earth (with lower pre-flood mountains)
- All major mountain ranges (excepting volcanoes of course) have marine fossils on their summits
- Dinosaur soft tissue still exists preserving T. rex red blood cells, blood vessels, and a dozen proteins from a dozen different kinds of dinosaurs and countless other organisms
- Anthropological cataloging of hundreds of cultures with an ancient corporate recollection of the flood
- Extent of stratigraphic layers of regional and continental scope
- As exposed in the Grand Canyon, boundaries between sedimentary strata characteristically show no evidence of what should be millions of years of relentless erosion but are instead flat gaps.
- Massive submarine canyons with near vertical walls some as deep as five kilometers
- Past geologic catastrophism caused by "off the charts" energy levels (dwarfing modern phenomenon)
- Many recent studies contradict Out-of-Africa and the misguided human evolution story and instead support the post-flood Out-of-Babel origin of civilization
- DNA studies show a genetic bottleneck highlighting the three "Daughters" of Noah
- Only a couple hundred generations were necessary to produce humanity's genetic diversity, as per various studies including in the journal Nature regarding protein-coding variants
- The near side of the Moon has been beat up far worse than the far side, being beat up by the debris that was ejected from the fountains of the great deep
- Comets, asteroids, and meteoroids are made up of material that's common on earth but very hard to explain their origins out in space, and especially in the outer solar system; so meteoroids are not from the Moon and Mars, they're from Earth, and they're just coming home!
- Flood advocates are able to make stunning scientific predictions, contrary to the expectations of those who reject the flood (as at rsr.org/predictions)
- etc.

Evidence for Christians
- Jesus and the New Testament repeatedly affirm the global flood (enough said) with Jesus in Matthew and Luke affirming the building of the ark, and mentioning Noah by name, as does Peter and the author of Hebrews, with Peter in both his epistles reminding us that only "eight people" survived the flood
- Every New Testament author refers to at least one of the first eleven chapters of Genesis and Jesus Christ Himself referred to each of the first seven, affirming the literal truth of Genesis
- Genesis explicitly describes a global flood (enough said) which drowned all but eight humans, covered the tops of the mountains, required the building of a massive ark to save a breeding pair of every kind of land animal, and which uses the word "all" many times for all the mountains under heaven covered, all flesh died, all living things were destroyed from the earth, etc.
- God created a perfect world so the Flood explains dangers that The Fall alone does not explain, such as storms, meteors, asteroids, comets, Earth's radioactivity, earthquakes and volcanoes
- While at Babel God confused the languages the consequences of the flood confused the calendars and spoiled the initially perfect 30-day lunar month and 360-day year
- Anthropologists have documented hundreds of tribal/ethnic/national recollections of an ancient flood
- The Table of Nations in Genesis 10, unique in the annals of the world, documents the origins of the major people groups and even some of the nations of the world as descending from Noah's three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japeth
- All of the physical evidence for materialists, just above.
- See more (and a section for HPT fans) at rsr.org/evidence.



https://kgov.com/hydroplate-theory-and-walt-brown-on-the-global-flood#evidences

If you want the embedded links (and there are a few of them), go to the link in this post.
 

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I know where you think it shines from. :chuckle:

I once did a scientific anaylysis on the composition of man’s basic elements, believing they were comprised of dirt, based upon the Creation Story of Genesis. What have you done?
 

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I learned men have elements comprised of elements formed in dying stars. What have you to say about that?
 

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You should believe that with all your heart. :up:

Finally, you people are slow.

It just occurred to me that I may have done a fly by. Let me back it up.

What do you people know/think about the periodic table of elements, beginning with you Stripe.
 

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Finally, you people are slow.

It just occurred to me that I may have done a fly by. Let me back it up.

What do you people know/think about the periodic table of elements, beginning with you Stripe.
Fusion cannot form elements heavier than iron.

No, not even stellar fusion.

See "Ye Olde Supernova Chemical Evolution Story" on https://kgov.com/spike-psarris-and-phil-plait.
 

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Guyver said:
Do you accept or reject the notion that chromosome mutations can become fixed in a population?
Of course any type of mutation can become fixed, and that is why geneticists are concerned about increasing genetic load. Genetics helps show us the truth of Scripture... A perfectly designed genome that has been subjected to a few thousand years of irreversibly increasing genetic load.
 

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Of course any type of mutation can become fixed, and that is why geneticists are concerned about increasing genetic load. Genetics helps show us the truth of Scripture... A perfectly designed genome that has been subjected to a few thousand years of irreversibly increasing genetic load.

Finally.
 

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Barbarian points out that there is no evidence for a global flood, nor does the Bible say there was one
There is overwhelming evidence of the global flood told about in God's Word. (We all have the same fossils, same sedimentary layers, same mountains, and valleys etc.) What we know is that you don't agree with what the Bible plainly states... nor interpretations of evidence that are consistent with The Bible.
 

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If you understand it, great! You can get even greater understanding by reading the Gospel of John, noticing how Genesis provides the foundation to the Gospel.

I’ve read the Gospel of Saint John more times than I know. But thank you. I’m sure you mean well.
 

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Of course any type of mutation can become fixed, and that is why geneticists are concerned about increasing genetic load. Genetics helps show us the truth of Scripture... A perfectly designed genome that has been subjected to a few thousand years of irreversibly increasing genetic load.

Im just surprised that a Young Earth Creationist like yourself will even admit that chromosome mutations fixed in populations even exist. So, good for you on that.

Regarding your point. What you do is argue against the same thing you reject.

You assume a perfect genome as evolutionists assume a common ancestor. You offer no more than they do.
 
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