Was animal sacrifice done away with in the new covenant?
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Idolater
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Why would you think that animal sacrifice is a part of the New Covenant?
There is. The Church is the temple of the Spirit, and she offers the sacrifice of the Eucharist on altars around the world every day of the year, except I think maybe Good Friday or that next Saturday. Anyway around Easter there might not be the Eucharistic celebration, but all the rest of every year yes.
Most Messianics and Dispensationalists assert a definite yes to both of those questions.
During the thousand year reign of Christ.
And while the views on the reemergence of animal sacrifice will tend to differ from person to person within both their ranks, what it boils down to is that many sacrifices represented external cleansing of the flesh of the individual before he could even approach worshiping God.
Meaning, that what is described of Messianics Peter and John in Acts 3:1, would have been impossible without first, their submitting to a form of ritual cleansing of their flesh.
What the Scripture refers to as "the Jews' purification" - which, water baptism, was one form of.
You see this today, in the Jews' washing of their hands before they'll even dare to approach what remains of the first century's city and Temple - the Western Wailing Wall.
Likewise was the case with animal sacrifices for the atonement of inanimate objects before they could be used in the service of God.
And Christ did not die for the sins of inanimate objects.
Such have no sins.
Rather, they would become unclean and as a result, needed to be cleansed.
That is part of what Paul is respecting, in Acts 21, and towards what he'd had in mind - Unbelieving Jews not being able to justly accuse him of having entered the Temple unclean, Acts 22.
Such will be the case as to the outward and its outward rituals as to Israel, per Moses, in the Millennium, Isaiah 2:1-5.
Rosenritter
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What would be the point of animal sacrifices? Do you remember what those sacrifices were for, and what they pointed to?
Hebrews 9:19-28 KJV
(19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
(20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
(21) Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
(22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
(24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
(25) Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
(26) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
(27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
(28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
The sacrifices of animals pointed to Christ, and Christ has fulfilled that meaning with his own blood. Trying to institute animal sacrifices at this point (or any point after the cross) would be rejecting the very reason they existed in the first place.
This may be a side point from another thread, but [MENTION=15077]Idolater[/MENTION] notice verse 25, that Christ is not offered often (more than once.)
sacrifices were done away with at the cross.
I was not talking about that. I have nothing to do with the Eucharist. Nor Good Friday. I believe you are asking if there is animal sacrifice in the new covenant. Well, when did the new covenant begin and is everyone a part of it? Obviously Paul sacrificed in the book of Acts.
Interesting to know if you are a dispensationalist or a Messianic. Interesting observations.
Did they continue until the destruction of the temple, and what about even Paul who many say did not follow the Law? Paul sacrificed and observed the feasts, etc....
In Exodus 29, Israel is depicted as having animal sacrifices that atone for an (1) Israelite's flesh - and even for (2) his clothes (an inanimate object).
Also depicted in that chapter are sacrifices for the atonement of (3) other inanimate objects, like the altar, and so on.
Christ did not die for those.
And the Millennial Reign of Christ takes place on an Earth that is still fallen, as is man, in his flesh.
The above three sacrifices deal with that.
Read the chapter carefully, and repeatedly, and you'll note that those three had to deal with outer uncleanliness.
Which will remain an issue during the Millennial reign, as Revelation 19 and 20, make obvious.
First there will be the Millennial Reign of Isaiah 2:1-5.
Then the rebellion of Revelation 20.
Because the Earth is still fallen and man is still in a fallen flesh and its "pollutions" before a Holy God, during the Millennial Reign of Christ.
Which is why we also read of the following, in Revelation 19 - prior to Revelation 20's description of the last rebellion on Earth - after - Christ's thousand year reign...
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
He will rule with a rod of iron because the Earth will still be fallen and man will still be in a fallen physical body.
Thus, why the need for those three sacrifices.
Here is another ritual that is in light of their still fallen, outward condition during the Millennium, prior to the last rebellion - of man...
Exodus 30:18 Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. 30:19 For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: 30:20 When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: 30:21 So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.
You see this passage here...
Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
They would NOT have even been allowed into the Temple to worship God, had they not first submitted to that water ritual.
You see a version of it to this day...
The significance of Handwashing in Judaism. The Western Wall (Wailing Wall), Jerusalem, Israel
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G269YBnJP8M
In other words, during the Millennial Reign of Christ, the issue will once more be that of...
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 8:15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Acts 17:11, 12.
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Bottom line?
Any Dispy actually worth his or her claim of being a Dispy - especially the Mid-Acts Dispy - knows the OT, in as much specific detail, as he or she supposedly knows both "the NT" and Paul's Mystery based writings (Romans thru Philemon).
2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
Whoops, I forgot this - those buckets the man in that video mentioned as being everywhere in Israel are this, back in the first century...
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Acts 17:11, 12.
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Acts 17:11, 12.
Interesting things to think about. I wonder how much of what you are saying is correct, good, right, and true.
Rosenritter
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And what does that altar represent? Just as the Levitical priesthood is irrelevant with the high priest of Christ, likewise any physical altar is made irrelevant as well. There is no more need to sanctify symbols when that which is real and is already holy is come.
John 4:21-26 KJV
(21) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
(22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
(23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
(24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
(25) The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
(26) Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
If this was true when Jesus spoke to the woman upon the earth before he came into his Kingdom as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, how much more does this continue to hold true when he has again returned to earth in full power and glory and legions of angels?
You've yet to address what is prophesied in passages like Isaiah 2:1-5, etc.
Acts 17:11, 12.
Aaron the Tall
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I think the purifying of objects had more to do with the sinfulness of man than with some inherent "pollution" in the physical objects.
The Jews were restricted in approaching God. Christ's sacrifice has removed the restrictions. The New Testament believer is now the temple of God.
Why would God reinstate a restricted, geographically limited temple?
Do you think the Holy God will be more present during a millennial reign than He is now within believers? Why don't churches have to offer sacrifices to purify the pews, hymnals, and sounds system in order to wipe away the pollution and properly worship God?
Do you think the Holy God will be more present during a millennial reign than He was in the person of Jesus? Jesus dealt with a polluted world every day, but he didn't require that things be purified with sacrifices so he could interact with them.
Rosenritter
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Not a single word about animal sacrifices in that passage. Do you have a special translation?
Rosenritter
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The altar of old would be purified because it represented the throne of God. The throne of God itself has no need for ritual purification, but the symbol was to be purified to represent the Holy thing.
Revelation 21:3 KJV
(3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
I think we could say that the Holy God will be more present during that coming reign than now but no less than when he walked as Jesus earlier. It's hard to get any closer than dwelling with men.
Geez are you ever Scripturally ill-informed - Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of THE LORD's HOUSE shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, TO THE HOUSE OF THE GOD OF JACON; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for OUT OF ZION shall go forth THE LAW, and the word of the LORD FROM JERUSALEM."
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
That refers to their Feasts and various Animal Sacrifices, etc...
2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.
By the way, you're dealing with a Bible student, if all your kind can do is make a statement or two, don't waste my time.
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." - Isaiah 8:20
Acts 17:11, 12.
Rosenritter
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Would you please why God would say "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD they God in vain?"
Except there was not a single mention of establishing animal sacrifice in the future kingdom.
Solomon performed sacrifices... which hardly establishes (let alone proves) your assertion which would deny the sacrifice of Christ, offered once for the sins of many.
Hebrews 10:3-6 KJV
(3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
(4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
(5) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
(6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Contenting that sacrifices must be re-instituted after they have been abolished because he has returned to this world is absurd. You haven't supported your point, you didn't answer previous questions or address its scriptures, but you did use the name of Jesus as a swear word, and you did use unsupported smack talk. Not a good start if you have anything that merits serious consideration.
Hebrews 9:28 KJV
(28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 10:12 KJV
(12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Thank you for your words. I do think about this question.