The Call of Abraham (Gen 12) Our calling too?

BenAvraham

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PARASHAH: “Lech Lecha” (go, go for yourself)

GENESIS 12:1-17:27


“Now YHVH (God) said unto Abram: Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will show thee” These are the opening words that YHVH speaks unto Abram. A Midrash interprets this to mean; “Go forth to find your authentic self to learn who you are meant to be”

This might be a command to every person on earth. We are to “go forth” and find “Adonai” and discover who He intends us to be! Our destiny should be entirely in HIS hands.

Now we might ask, “Why did YHVH (God) choose Abram to begin his chosen people?” No one knows the “why?” only that he DID choose him. Perhaps he had a curious and searching mind, searching for the real and true God.

We must remember that there was no such person as a “Jew” back then. Abram was a Mesopotamian, from the Chaldean city of “Ur” similar to the Hebrew “Ir” which means “city”. He was raised as an idol worshipper, and his family’s business, according to the rabbis, was making and selling idols. Abraham's family moved to "Haran" which was also part of Mesopotamia, but the call was to "leave" Mesopotamia completely. Abraham's father "Terah" died in Haran, so from Haran, the "calling of Abraham" was issued from the mouth of HaShem (The Name) "which is also used to indicate "God"

Hebrew tradition teaches that when Abram was young, he attended the “School of Shem”. Shem, the son of Noah taught youths about the true God, Adonai-Elohim, the great El Shaddai, so, Abram might have known something about Elohim from Shem, that is if the story is true. But like I said, it is a story based on tradition.

We only know that YHVH chose Abram, and he accepted and obeyed the voice of YHVH. Here is a commandment and the blessings of obeying the commandment. “Leave your father’s house and go to a land which I will show you.” We see that G-d wanted Abram to distance himself from idol worshipping and everything connected with the such. Once he obeyed the voice of HaShem, THEN… the blessings would come;

“I will make of thee a great nation”, “I will bless thee and make thy name great (shem gadol) and be thou a blessing”, “I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee”, “In thee shall all the families of the world be blessed” we later see that under “being a great nation” we could add the promise; “Your seed will be like the dust of the earth” and also “like the stars of heaven” What do these promises involve?

First of all, let’s look at the words; “Dust of the earth” and “stars of heaven”. Am Israel becoming "like" the “dust” of the earth, in that they were “trampled upon” by many nations that wanted to extinguish the Jewish people, yet they were also as the “stars of heaven” they shone with the light of Adonai, they brought the worship of the ONE true GOD, Adonai-Elohim-Yeshuah. And from Am Israel, came “Yeshua” who is the “Light of the World”

Once Abram obeyed the voice of YHVH, and he arrived in the land of Canaan, then came the testings.

We see that Adonai wanted to test his faith like he tests us all in many different ways. Yes, we all want blessings, but at times, blessings come with a price.

“Am gadol” a great nation, or a great people. It started with Yitzchak (Isaac), the first and only son of Abram and Sarah. From him, we know the story; Yitzchak > Ya’akov (Jacob) > 12 tribes > multitudes! As a sign, YHVH changed the name of Abram to Abraham. If we look at the paleo Hebrew symbolism in the name “Abram” we see “Alef” (A) “Beit”(B) “Resh”(R) and “Mem”(M). 4 letters, “4” symbolize the 4 corners of the earth. The descendants of Abraham are in all 4 corners of the earth. But we can see these letters meaning or symbolizing “the father who is the head of a multitude”. Also, we can read this as; God blesses the first house with a multitude”.

Later, YHVH changes his name by adding the letter “hey” (H). Now it is “abraHam”. What is the significance of the “H”? Well, one way we can look at it is that the “hey” (h) is the only letter in the Hebrew Alef-bet that is pronounced with one “breathing out air”. When you pronounce “h” we send out a puff of air from our mouth. We can also say “wind” in Hebrew; “Ruach” it also means “spirit”. SO…we can say that “YHVH sent out the “spirit of life” into the womb of Sarah through the seed of Abraham. Also, the ancient meaning of the letter “hey” is “Behold!” so, we can say “Behold, a multitude is coming from Abraham and Sarah!” starting with Yitzchak.

Yet we cannot forget about Ishmael, who was the son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian. The promise extended to him too, although this was not part of God’s “perfect” will. He “permitted” the union between Abraham and Hagar, yet with consequences; the Arab nations who are the enemies of Israel. “Ishmael” means “God listens (to man)” “Ish+shema+El. (reading right to left) HOWEVER, if we read from left to right we get “Man listens to God” and every man that listens to God, in obedience, whether Arab or any other ethnic identity, that man will be blessed also.

Adonai stated also that “in thee, all of the families of the world would be blessed”. The greatest blessing is in Yeshua HaMashiach. From the seed of Abraham, came the nation of Israel, and we know that Mary and Joseph, the guardians of Yeshua were of the seed of Abraham, and more closely, the seed of David. We need to look not so much at physical blessings, nor biological/genealogical blessings. We might be of Jewish ancestry, but that does not secure for us salvation, we need to look at Yeshua our Messiah, who is our “Yeshuateinu” (our salvation)

This chapter also states that “Abram took his wife Sarai and his brother’s son Lot, and all the wealth that they had amassed and the persons that they had acquired in Haran and they set out for the land of Canaan”

Some translations say “souls” instead of “persons”. We can assume that by these words “acquired persons or souls” Abram and Sarai were “soul winners” that they converted many “souls” in Haran to the belief in the one TRUE GOD, that they abandoned the false deities and were thus “grafted in” sort of saying, into the “Mishpochah Abram” (the family of Abram) They also probably bought servants and slaves, and I am sure that they witnessed to them too.

The Word also states that Abraham acquired much “wealth” and took it with him of course. This wealth was in the form of gold, silver, and livestock. We all have internal “wealth” which is the knowledge and wisdom that comes from studying God’s word, and that is what we take with us wherever we go. We are to “share” this wealth with others through teaching and preaching the WORD, and be witnesses of the “Living WORD”

Once they arrived in Canaan, they would be “Gerim” from the word “Ger” which means a “sojourner” that is a person who is not a native of that land, but who will live there. We could consider ourselves as “sojourners” on this planet called “Earth” this earth is not our permanent home, even though we were born “earthlings” our true home is in Heaven, the New Jerusalem.

Now we look at Lot, Abraham’s nephew, Lot started arguing over land for cattle. So, Abraham says for him to select one area and he would go in the other direction. So, Lot chose “Sodom!” the land around it looked very fertile. That is the way the land of sin appears to people. It looks attractive. So, Lot pitched his tent TOWARDS Sodom…then…he actually entered and LIVES in Sodom. And so, it is with sin. We might get attracted to it, get closer to it, and finally, indulge in it! So, be careful!

Another fact we read is that Abram stopped in two places, “Shechem” and “Betel” where he built altars and worshiped Adonai. We do the same, but we do not build stone altars. We worship Adonai in spirit and truth. An interesting fact about the place “Beth-El, it means “House of God”. Yet the Canaanites worshiped a false deity which was also called “El” The difference between the god “El” of the Canaanites and “El Elyon” or “El Elohim” is that we worship the true EL, the “One who is Strong and who Leads and Instructs” as symbolized in the two Paleo-Hebrew letters; “Aleph and Lamed”

We can also see symbolism in the "Tent" that Abraham pitched everywhere he went, and the "Altars" that he built. A tent is temporary, you can put it up and take it down. "Altars" are permanent. The "altar" is where we meet God at. Our "tents" are our homes, houses, mobile homes, apartments, condos, etc... Our "Altar" is our congregation of believers, where we go on the Shabbat, or on Sundays to fellowship with other believers and receive the WORD of God from rabbis and pastors.

There were three promises made to Abraham. His seed would be like the dust of the earth. His seed would be like the stars of heaven, his seed would be like the sands of the sea. Can you count the stars? Can you count the grains of sand on the beach? Can you count dust? Here is something to think about. We walk on dust, we trample it underfoot. Israel has been trampled underfoot and has been looked down upon by many nations, yet, the dust still lasts, it will always be. Leave a car out in the desert for 50 years, and the dust will wear it away into rusted metal, yet the “dust” will always be, and so will Israel.

Circumcision! This is an important area, but some make it TOO important. YHVH instructed Abraham to be circumcised and that every male should also be circumcised. This was and is a mark of the covenant. But what about today? Is it still important? Yes, it is, but in the physical aspect of the same. For male health and cleanliness, it is good for every baby boy to be circumcised. YHVH is more concerned about our heart condition. Moshe stated that the “foreskin of our hearts should be circumcised”. Spiritually speaking, the “foreskin” of our hearts is the carnal ways that we all have, being that we are a fallen race and have the inbred original sin.

“So, circumcise your heart and stiffen your neck no longer” (Deut 10:16)


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marke

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PARASHAH: “Lech Lecha” (go, go for yourself)

GENESIS 12:1-17:27


“Now YHVH (God) said unto Abram: Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will show thee” These are the opening words that YHVH speaks unto Abram. A Midrash interprets this to mean; “Go forth to find your authentic self to learn who you are meant to be”

This might be a command to every person on earth. We are to “go forth” and find “Adonai” and discover who He intends us to be! Our destiny should be entirely in HIS hands.

Now we might ask, “Why did YHVH (God) choose Abram to begin his chosen people?” No one knows the “why?” only that he DID choose him. Perhaps he had a curious and searching mind, searching for the real and true God.

We must remember that there was no such person as a “Jew” back then. Abram was a Mesopotamian, from the Chaldean city of “Ur” similar to the Hebrew “Ir” which means “city”. He was raised as an idol worshipper, and his family’s business, according to the rabbis, was making and selling idols. Abraham's family moved to "Haran" which was also part of Mesopotamia, but the call was to "leave" Mesopotamia completely. Abraham's father "Terah" died in Haran, so from Haran, the "calling of Abraham" was issued from the mouth of HaShem (The Name) "which is also used to indicate "God"

Hebrew tradition teaches that when Abram was young, he attended the “School of Shem”. Shem, the son of Noah taught youths about the true God, Adonai-Elohim, the great El Shaddai, so, Abram might have known something about Elohim from Shem, that is if the story is true. But like I said, it is a story based on tradition.

We only know that YHVH chose Abram, and he accepted and obeyed the voice of YHVH. Here is a commandment and the blessings of obeying the commandment. “Leave your father’s house and go to a land which I will show you.” We see that G-d wanted Abram to distance himself from idol worshipping and everything connected with the such. Once he obeyed the voice of HaShem, THEN… the blessings would come;

“I will make of thee a great nation”, “I will bless thee and make thy name great (shem gadol) and be thou a blessing”, “I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee”, “In thee shall all the families of the world be blessed” we later see that under “being a great nation” we could add the promise; “Your seed will be like the dust of the earth” and also “like the stars of heaven” What do these promises involve?

First of all, let’s look at the words; “Dust of the earth” and “stars of heaven”. Am Israel becoming "like" the “dust” of the earth, in that they were “trampled upon” by many nations that wanted to extinguish the Jewish people, yet they were also as the “stars of heaven” they shone with the light of Adonai, they brought the worship of the ONE true GOD, Adonai-Elohim-Yeshuah. And from Am Israel, came “Yeshua” who is the “Light of the World”

Once Abram obeyed the voice of YHVH, and he arrived in the land of Canaan, then came the testings.

We see that Adonai wanted to test his faith like he tests us all in many different ways. Yes, we all want blessings, but at times, blessings come with a price.

“Am gadol” a great nation, or a great people. It started with Yitzchak (Isaac), the first and only son of Abram and Sarah. From him, we know the story; Yitzchak > Ya’akov (Jacob) > 12 tribes > multitudes! As a sign, YHVH changed the name of Abram to Abraham. If we look at the paleo Hebrew symbolism in the name “Abram” we see “Alef” (A) “Beit”(B) “Resh”(R) and “Mem”(M). 4 letters, “4” symbolize the 4 corners of the earth. The descendants of Abraham are in all 4 corners of the earth. But we can see these letters meaning or symbolizing “the father who is the head of a multitude”. Also, we can read this as; God blesses the first house with a multitude”.

Later, YHVH changes his name by adding the letter “hey” (H). Now it is “abraHam”. What is the significance of the “H”? Well, one way we can look at it is that the “hey” (h) is the only letter in the Hebrew Alef-bet that is pronounced with one “breathing out air”. When you pronounce “h” we send out a puff of air from our mouth. We can also say “wind” in Hebrew; “Ruach” it also means “spirit”. SO…we can say that “YHVH sent out the “spirit of life” into the womb of Sarah through the seed of Abraham. Also, the ancient meaning of the letter “hey” is “Behold!” so, we can say “Behold, a multitude is coming from Abraham and Sarah!” starting with Yitzchak.

Yet we cannot forget about Ishmael, who was the son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian. The promise extended to him too, although this was not part of God’s “perfect” will. He “permitted” the union between Abraham and Hagar, yet with consequences; the Arab nations who are the enemies of Israel. “Ishmael” means “God listens (to man)” “Ish+shema+El. (reading right to left) HOWEVER, if we read from left to right we get “Man listens to God” and every man that listens to God, in obedience, whether Arab or any other ethnic identity, that man will be blessed also.

Adonai stated also that “in thee, all of the families of the world would be blessed”. The greatest blessing is in Yeshua HaMashiach. From the seed of Abraham, came the nation of Israel, and we know that Mary and Joseph, the guardians of Yeshua were of the seed of Abraham, and more closely, the seed of David. We need to look not so much at physical blessings, nor biological/genealogical blessings. We might be of Jewish ancestry, but that does not secure for us salvation, we need to look at Yeshua our Messiah, who is our “Yeshuateinu” (our salvation)

This chapter also states that “Abram took his wife Sarai and his brother’s son Lot, and all the wealth that they had amassed and the persons that they had acquired in Haran and they set out for the land of Canaan”

Some translations say “souls” instead of “persons”. We can assume that by these words “acquired persons or souls” Abram and Sarai were “soul winners” that they converted many “souls” in Haran to the belief in the one TRUE GOD, that they abandoned the false deities and were thus “grafted in” sort of saying, into the “Mishpochah Abram” (the family of Abram) They also probably bought servants and slaves, and I am sure that they witnessed to them too.

The Word also states that Abraham acquired much “wealth” and took it with him of course. This wealth was in the form of gold, silver, and livestock. We all have internal “wealth” which is the knowledge and wisdom that comes from studying God’s word, and that is what we take with us wherever we go. We are to “share” this wealth with others through teaching and preaching the WORD, and be witnesses of the “Living WORD”

Once they arrived in Canaan, they would be “Gerim” from the word “Ger” which means a “sojourner” that is a person who is not a native of that land, but who will live there. We could consider ourselves as “sojourners” on this planet called “Earth” this earth is not our permanent home, even though we were born “earthlings” our true home is in Heaven, the New Jerusalem.

Now we look at Lot, Abraham’s nephew, Lot started arguing over land for cattle. So, Abraham says for him to select one area and he would go in the other direction. So, Lot chose “Sodom!” the land around it looked very fertile. That is the way the land of sin appears to people. It looks attractive. So, Lot pitched his tent TOWARDS Sodom…then…he actually entered and LIVES in Sodom. And so, it is with sin. We might get attracted to it, get closer to it, and finally, indulge in it! So, be careful!

Another fact we read is that Abram stopped in two places, “Shechem” and “Betel” where he built altars and worshiped Adonai. We do the same, but we do not build stone altars. We worship Adonai in spirit and truth. An interesting fact about the place “Beth-El, it means “House of God”. Yet the Canaanites worshiped a false deity which was also called “El” The difference between the god “El” of the Canaanites and “El Elyon” or “El Elohim” is that we worship the true EL, the “One who is Strong and who Leads and Instructs” as symbolized in the two Paleo-Hebrew letters; “Aleph and Lamed”

We can also see symbolism in the "Tent" that Abraham pitched everywhere he went, and the "Altars" that he built. A tent is temporary, you can put it up and take it down. "Altars" are permanent. The "altar" is where we meet God at. Our "tents" are our homes, houses, mobile homes, apartments, condos, etc... Our "Altar" is our congregation of believers, where we go on the Shabbat, or on Sundays to fellowship with other believers and receive the WORD of God from rabbis and pastors.

There were three promises made to Abraham. His seed would be like the dust of the earth. His seed would be like the stars of heaven, his seed would be like the sands of the sea. Can you count the stars? Can you count the grains of sand on the beach? Can you count dust? Here is something to think about. We walk on dust, we trample it underfoot. Israel has been trampled underfoot and has been looked down upon by many nations, yet, the dust still lasts, it will always be. Leave a car out in the desert for 50 years, and the dust will wear it away into rusted metal, yet the “dust” will always be, and so will Israel.

Circumcision! This is an important area, but some make it TOO important. YHVH instructed Abraham to be circumcised and that every male should also be circumcised. This was and is a mark of the covenant. But what about today? Is it still important? Yes, it is, but in the physical aspect of the same. For male health and cleanliness, it is good for every baby boy to be circumcised. YHVH is more concerned about our heart condition. Moshe stated that the “foreskin of our hearts should be circumcised”. Spiritually speaking, the “foreskin” of our hearts is the carnal ways that we all have, being that we are a fallen race and have the inbred original sin.

“So, circumcise your heart and stiffen your neck no longer” (Deut 10:16)


"Birthday Flowers" for all of you in this Forum who are celebrating birthdays during this month of November. Happy Birthday to you, Many blessings to you,
May the LORD keep you safe and sound in all that you might do!
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Abraham believed God and for that God chose to build a nation of believers, including Christians, who are saved by faith just like Abraham. Ishmael represents the father of the divided house of the devil.
 

BenAvraham

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Yes, we are all part of God's blessings through Abraham. First the Nation of Israel and all who have become part of it through being grafted in.
We must remember that even though Ishmael brought forth the Arab nations, there are many Arabs who are believers in Yeshua, there is always the remnant of non-muslim Arabs who love the God of the Bible
 

glorydaz

Well-known member
PARASHAH: “Lech Lecha” (go, go for yourself)

GENESIS 12:1-17:27


“Now YHVH (God) said unto Abram: Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will show thee” These are the opening words that YHVH speaks unto Abram. A Midrash interprets this to mean; “Go forth to find your authentic self to learn who you are meant to be”

This might be a command to every person on earth. We are to “go forth” and find “Adonai” and discover who He intends us to be! Our destiny should be entirely in HIS hands.

Now we might ask, “Why did YHVH (God) choose Abram to begin his chosen people?” No one knows the “why?” only that he DID choose him. Perhaps he had a curious and searching mind, searching for the real and true God.

We must remember that there was no such person as a “Jew” back then. Abram was a Mesopotamian, from the Chaldean city of “Ur” similar to the Hebrew “Ir” which means “city”. He was raised as an idol worshipper, and his family’s business, according to the rabbis, was making and selling idols. Abraham's family moved to "Haran" which was also part of Mesopotamia, but the call was to "leave" Mesopotamia completely. Abraham's father "Terah" died in Haran, so from Haran, the "calling of Abraham" was issued from the mouth of HaShem (The Name) "which is also used to indicate "God"

Hebrew tradition teaches that when Abram was young, he attended the “School of Shem”. Shem, the son of Noah taught youths about the true God, Adonai-Elohim, the great El Shaddai, so, Abram might have known something about Elohim from Shem, that is if the story is true. But like I said, it is a story based on tradition.

We only know that YHVH chose Abram, and he accepted and obeyed the voice of YHVH. Here is a commandment and the blessings of obeying the commandment. “Leave your father’s house and go to a land which I will show you.” We see that G-d wanted Abram to distance himself from idol worshipping and everything connected with the such. Once he obeyed the voice of HaShem, THEN… the blessings would come;

“I will make of thee a great nation”, “I will bless thee and make thy name great (shem gadol) and be thou a blessing”, “I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee”, “In thee shall all the families of the world be blessed” we later see that under “being a great nation” we could add the promise; “Your seed will be like the dust of the earth” and also “like the stars of heaven” What do these promises involve?

First of all, let’s look at the words; “Dust of the earth” and “stars of heaven”. Am Israel becoming "like" the “dust” of the earth, in that they were “trampled upon” by many nations that wanted to extinguish the Jewish people, yet they were also as the “stars of heaven” they shone with the light of Adonai, they brought the worship of the ONE true GOD, Adonai-Elohim-Yeshuah. And from Am Israel, came “Yeshua” who is the “Light of the World”

Once Abram obeyed the voice of YHVH, and he arrived in the land of Canaan, then came the testings.

We see that Adonai wanted to test his faith like he tests us all in many different ways. Yes, we all want blessings, but at times, blessings come with a price.

“Am gadol” a great nation, or a great people. It started with Yitzchak (Isaac), the first and only son of Abram and Sarah. From him, we know the story; Yitzchak > Ya’akov (Jacob) > 12 tribes > multitudes! As a sign, YHVH changed the name of Abram to Abraham. If we look at the paleo Hebrew symbolism in the name “Abram” we see “Alef” (A) “Beit”(B) “Resh”(R) and “Mem”(M). 4 letters, “4” symbolize the 4 corners of the earth. The descendants of Abraham are in all 4 corners of the earth. But we can see these letters meaning or symbolizing “the father who is the head of a multitude”. Also, we can read this as; God blesses the first house with a multitude”.

Later, YHVH changes his name by adding the letter “hey” (H). Now it is “abraHam”. What is the significance of the “H”? Well, one way we can look at it is that the “hey” (h) is the only letter in the Hebrew Alef-bet that is pronounced with one “breathing out air”. When you pronounce “h” we send out a puff of air from our mouth. We can also say “wind” in Hebrew; “Ruach” it also means “spirit”. SO…we can say that “YHVH sent out the “spirit of life” into the womb of Sarah through the seed of Abraham. Also, the ancient meaning of the letter “hey” is “Behold!” so, we can say “Behold, a multitude is coming from Abraham and Sarah!” starting with Yitzchak.

Yet we cannot forget about Ishmael, who was the son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian. The promise extended to him too, although this was not part of God’s “perfect” will. He “permitted” the union between Abraham and Hagar, yet with consequences; the Arab nations who are the enemies of Israel. “Ishmael” means “God listens (to man)” “Ish+shema+El. (reading right to left) HOWEVER, if we read from left to right we get “Man listens to God” and every man that listens to God, in obedience, whether Arab or any other ethnic identity, that man will be blessed also.

Adonai stated also that “in thee, all of the families of the world would be blessed”. The greatest blessing is in Yeshua HaMashiach. From the seed of Abraham, came the nation of Israel, and we know that Mary and Joseph, the guardians of Yeshua were of the seed of Abraham, and more closely, the seed of David. We need to look not so much at physical blessings, nor biological/genealogical blessings. We might be of Jewish ancestry, but that does not secure for us salvation, we need to look at Yeshua our Messiah, who is our “Yeshuateinu” (our salvation)

This chapter also states that “Abram took his wife Sarai and his brother’s son Lot, and all the wealth that they had amassed and the persons that they had acquired in Haran and they set out for the land of Canaan”

Some translations say “souls” instead of “persons”. We can assume that by these words “acquired persons or souls” Abram and Sarai were “soul winners” that they converted many “souls” in Haran to the belief in the one TRUE GOD, that they abandoned the false deities and were thus “grafted in” sort of saying, into the “Mishpochah Abram” (the family of Abram) They also probably bought servants and slaves, and I am sure that they witnessed to them too.

The Word also states that Abraham acquired much “wealth” and took it with him of course. This wealth was in the form of gold, silver, and livestock. We all have internal “wealth” which is the knowledge and wisdom that comes from studying God’s word, and that is what we take with us wherever we go. We are to “share” this wealth with others through teaching and preaching the WORD, and be witnesses of the “Living WORD”

Once they arrived in Canaan, they would be “Gerim” from the word “Ger” which means a “sojourner” that is a person who is not a native of that land, but who will live there. We could consider ourselves as “sojourners” on this planet called “Earth” this earth is not our permanent home, even though we were born “earthlings” our true home is in Heaven, the New Jerusalem.

Now we look at Lot, Abraham’s nephew, Lot started arguing over land for cattle. So, Abraham says for him to select one area and he would go in the other direction. So, Lot chose “Sodom!” the land around it looked very fertile. That is the way the land of sin appears to people. It looks attractive. So, Lot pitched his tent TOWARDS Sodom…then…he actually entered and LIVES in Sodom. And so, it is with sin. We might get attracted to it, get closer to it, and finally, indulge in it! So, be careful!

Another fact we read is that Abram stopped in two places, “Shechem” and “Betel” where he built altars and worshiped Adonai. We do the same, but we do not build stone altars. We worship Adonai in spirit and truth. An interesting fact about the place “Beth-El, it means “House of God”. Yet the Canaanites worshiped a false deity which was also called “El” The difference between the god “El” of the Canaanites and “El Elyon” or “El Elohim” is that we worship the true EL, the “One who is Strong and who Leads and Instructs” as symbolized in the two Paleo-Hebrew letters; “Aleph and Lamed”

We can also see symbolism in the "Tent" that Abraham pitched everywhere he went, and the "Altars" that he built. A tent is temporary, you can put it up and take it down. "Altars" are permanent. The "altar" is where we meet God at. Our "tents" are our homes, houses, mobile homes, apartments, condos, etc... Our "Altar" is our congregation of believers, where we go on the Shabbat, or on Sundays to fellowship with other believers and receive the WORD of God from rabbis and pastors.

There were three promises made to Abraham. His seed would be like the dust of the earth. His seed would be like the stars of heaven, his seed would be like the sands of the sea. Can you count the stars? Can you count the grains of sand on the beach? Can you count dust? Here is something to think about. We walk on dust, we trample it underfoot. Israel has been trampled underfoot and has been looked down upon by many nations, yet, the dust still lasts, it will always be. Leave a car out in the desert for 50 years, and the dust will wear it away into rusted metal, yet the “dust” will always be, and so will Israel.

Circumcision! This is an important area, but some make it TOO important. YHVH instructed Abraham to be circumcised and that every male should also be circumcised. This was and is a mark of the covenant. But what about today? Is it still important? Yes, it is, but in the physical aspect of the same. For male health and cleanliness, it is good for every baby boy to be circumcised. YHVH is more concerned about our heart condition. Moshe stated that the “foreskin of our hearts should be circumcised”. Spiritually speaking, the “foreskin” of our hearts is the carnal ways that we all have, being that we are a fallen race and have the inbred original sin.

“So, circumcise your heart and stiffen your neck no longer” (Deut 10:16)


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That was wonderful……a blessing in many ways.
 

marke

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Metaphorically speaking... sure.
That does NOT make us Israel.

What is your point?

Abraham is the father of many nations.
Abraham is also the father of a great nation (Israel).

The body of Christ is NOT a nation!
I believe the body of Christ will include all Christians born of God by faith in Jesus, including saved Jews.
 

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I believe the body of Christ will include all Christians born of God by faith in Jesus, including saved Jews.
Yes Marke, we all know that you have opinions; everybody does.
How about you actually make a logical argument to support them?

There is a distinction between believing Jews that are under the law and believers in the body of Christ that are NOT under the law.

Before (and after) the present dispensation, the Jews (Israel) hold a special place with God and are separated from the gentiles. In this dispensation, there is neither Jew NOR Greek in the body of Christ.

Why are these things so hard for you (and most of Christianity) to understand?

The Bible is quite clear about these things.
 

marke

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Yes Marke, we all know that you have opinions; everybody does.
How about you actually make a logical argument to support them?

There is a distinction between believing Jews that are under the law and believers in the body of Christ that are NOT under the law.

Before (and after) the present dispensation, the Jews (Israel) hold a special place with God and are separated from the gentiles. In this dispensation, there is neither Jew NOR Greek in the body of Christ.

Why are these things so hard for you (and most of Christianity) to understand?

The Bible is quite clear about these things.
It is my understanding that God has set aside the Jews until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in and I am unaware of any current church of believing Jews God is speaking to during this present Gentile dispensensation that will end at that time the Bible refers to as the period when the fulness of the Gentiles are come in.
 

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It is my understanding that God has set aside the Jews until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in and I am unaware of any current church of believing Jews God is speaking to during this present Gentile dispensensation that will end at that time the Bible refers to as the period when the fulness of the Gentiles are come in.
That is my point!

There are different RULES for different DISPENSATIONS.

That is exactly what the word means:

G3622 οἰκονομία oikonomia (oi-ko-no-miy'-a) n.​
1. administration (of a household or estate).​
2. (specially) a (religious) “economy.”​
[from G3623]​
KJV: dispensation, stewardship​
Root(s): G3623​
 

glorydaz

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It is my understanding that God has set aside the Jews until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in and I am unaware of any current church of believing Jews God is speaking to during this present Gentile dispensensation that will end at that time the Bible refers to as the period when the fulness of the Gentiles are come in.

There are Messianic Jews that have accepted their Messiah, and you can hear them preaching the gospel right there on YouTube . I call them completed Jews. More Jews are being saved every day.

When the church is raptured, it won’t be in a vacuum. We will see what the Bible has told us the world will be like right before the antichrist appears on the scene. What do we see except wrong being called right and an incredible increase in knowledge and technology? It‘s a crazy world out there, folks. exponentially so.
 

glorydaz

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In this dispensation, there is neither Jew NOR Greek in the body of Christ.
There is neither male nor female, either, but that simply means we have one standing before the Lord.

I can see where believing Jews have a big advantage in that they know the Scriptures better than most Gentiles, and all scripture is profitable. It’s almost like the law being our schoolmaster, and the prophets pointing out our Lord before He even arrived.
 

marke

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There are Messianic Jews that have accepted their Messiah, and you can hear them preaching the gospel right there on YouTube . I call them completed Jews. More Jews are being saved every day.

When the church is raptured, it won’t be in a vacuum. We will see what the Bible has told us the world will be like right before the antichrist appears on the scene. What do we see except wrong being called right and an incredible increase in knowledge and technology? It‘s a crazy world out there, folks. exponentially so.
Are there actually churches of Jews today worshipping Jesus but not associated with Christian churches?
 

glorydaz

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Are there actually churches of Jews today worshipping Jesus but not associated with Christian churches?
I don’t know, but there are Jewish believers everywhere. I’ve been hearing about Messianic Jews, but they sound like believers justified by faith to me.
 

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I don’t know, but there are Jewish believers everywhere. I’ve been hearing about Messianic Jews, but they sound like believers justified by faith to me.
If the "Messianic Jews" were part of the body of Christ... they would NOT call themselves "Jews".
 

glorydaz

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clever, huh? 😉

Acts 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you. 2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,) 3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

Paul wasn’t afraid to call himself a Jew, and I’ve heard he kept the Torah, just not for righteousness. The Messianic Jews are fine with being physical Jews. They are a very special people.
 

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clever, huh? 😉

Acts 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you. 2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,) 3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

Paul wasn’t afraid to call himself a Jew, and I’ve heard he kept the Torah, just not for righteousness. The Messianic Jews are fine with being physical Jews. They are a very special people.
Do you know why Paul brought up his Jewishness on those occasions?

Especially when he said this:

Gal 3:28 (AKJV/PCE)​
(3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.​
Col 3:11 (AKJV/PCE)​
(3:11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.​
 

glorydaz

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Do you know why Paul brought up his Jewishness on those occasions?

Especially when he said this:

Gal 3:28 (AKJV/PCE)​
(3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.​
Col 3:11 (AKJV/PCE)​
(3:11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.​
I do, but it was more than once, nor was he shy about explaining his Jewishness. He was still very much a Jew.

Phil. 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

The verses you put up have nothing to do with putting aside one’s ethnicity any more than putting aside one’s gender. It’s spiritual….moving up to the next realm I guess you could say.
 
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