So what makes you think he was right? Maybe we are all wrong, and we should be Roman Catholics.
Ha! Good one
STP, I am not into my being right, rather; into what is sound, when all that needs to be carefully considered and then just as carefully examined, is... and that is a never ending process.
Brother, I was speaking from that; not from - and I'll just have to say it this way - your view's obvious to me; reading into things due to what it has failed to consider.
In the OT, atonement was only for those gathered?
Sorry, brother, and I don't mean this with any animosity towards you; you might consider that yours just might be a case of one's having arrived at a view absent of information that; had it been taken into account before having concluded a thing, might have resulted in a different conclusion.
Consider that yours just might be the result of reading one's view into things that one actually should have examined apart from said view.
Israel was a corporate entity - a people; a nation, an agency. There was no such thing as atonement "only for those gathered."
Consider that you might be simply looking at that from what you concluded too soon about what Ephesians two is actually talking about.
When consistent, the standard A9D practice will be to examine Prophecy and Mystery independently of one another. Only then comparing them.
"Let me see; now what is their program, and how does this work in theirs... okay, now what is our program and how does this work in ours... okay, now, what is the same principle in both, but that, at the same time differs in application in each..."
According to Paul in Romans through Philemon, one principle in both hopes is the DBR. Thus, he is easily able to assert he is not preaching anything that would contradict the DBR, just as the Jerusalem council had had to conclude was the case in Acts 15 - that God's seemingly odd visit among the Gentiles, not only - before - Israel's Prophesied "fullness" but - without - Israel - was in agreement because He said He would bless the Gentiles and He is sovereign, end of story - known to Him are His ways, etc.
For example, the answered, unanswered prayer issue is too be carefully and exhaustively examined in this way - as all things are to be examined.
In light of the Principle of God's Two-Fold Purpose: Prophecy and Mystery.
Differences in understanding will depend on the extent to which each individual will have applied the Hermeneutic in this way, for example.
That is the case with all issues, subjects, understandings.
Because the Mystery was new ground - even he who is "the sum of wisdom" was
completely thrown by it's revealing, and that, in a puny mortal who had been at odds with the Lord of said Mystery's glory.
In this, all issues are a continuing exploration as never ending as any other "science" worth its true weight in gold, silver, and precious stones will have to be.
Acts, for example, is
never allowed to determine doctrine as it is a transitional book, just as Matthew and, say, Hebrews, are.
Acts is to be understood through Paul's writings - thru his understandings - not the other way around.
Because he was
the only one "given to understand" these things.
Again, all this is a never ending, ever open to revisiting one's conclusions... process.
This very process is how the A13 Position ended up out the window with that guy who fell out that window, lol
Apparently, he was not the only one who fell out that window, if you know what I mean :rotfl:
Yours in Him, bro.
