Replying to Ron Paul's Facebook Supporters

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Replying to Ron Paul's Facebook Supporters

This is the show from Wednesday, December 21st 2011.

SUMMARY:

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* A Christian from Asks for Reconsideration
: Bob Enyart replies to a thread started by Larry on ARTL's Facebook Page in defense of Ron Paul.

* The Bible and Paul's Abortion is a States' Rights Matter:
- No Scripture says the king should tolerate tribes that permit murder
- The Bible shows local law enforcement but no local right to permit murder
- Israel's 12 tribes are sufficiently similar to America's original 13 states to learn from the account in the Book of Judges that neither the nation nor God Himself recognized a local right to decide whether or not to prosecute murder:

"So all the men of Israel were gathered... united together as one man. Then the tribes of Israel sent men through all the tribe of Benjamin, saying, 'What is this wickedness that has occurred among you? Now therefore, deliver up the men... that we may put them to death and remove the evil from Israel!' But the children of Benjamin would not listen to the voice of their brethren, the children of Israel. ... [So] The LORD defeated Benjamin before Israel. And the children of Israel destroyed that day twenty-five thousand one hundred Benjamites; all these drew the sword. Judges 21:11-13, 35

Ron Paul is pro-choice state by state: "While Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid." 1-31-06 and he has long promoted the Libertarian Party even though:

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* The Libertarian Party is Officially Pro-choice
: Libertarian Party platform: "I.8 Reproductive Rights ... We oppose government actions that... prohibit abortion..."

* Paul Promotes the Immoral Libertarian Party: Libertarian Ron Paul is running for the Republican nomination and remains on "good terms" with the Libertarian Party and spoke at its 2004 national convention and he has never repudiated them even though the Libertarian Party is viciously immoral and officially: pro-legalized abortion, pro-legalized homosexuality, pro-legalized pornography, pro-legalized adultery, pro-legalizing crack cocaine, pro-legalized suicide, and pro-legalized euthanasia, pro-legalizing prostitution, and against protecting marriage between a man and a woman,  The Libertarian Party is based on a humanist rather than on a Judeo-Christian worldview and thus has misguided notions of governance and no compass for righteousness in law.

* Revisionists Libertarian Pro-Lifers: Typical Claim: The federal government gave us abortion with the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade. What makes anyone think the federal government will end abortion?

Truth: The states began "legalizing" child killing with 19 states permitting abortion for various reasons in the seven years before Roe (MS, CO, CA, OR, NC, NY, AK, HI, WA, FL, AL, AR, DE, GA, KS, MD, NM, SC, VA) including a number with virtual abortion on demand like New York which allowed abortion through six months.

* Paul's ‘Life' Bills Allow Abortion in the States: Sanctity of Life Act of 2007: "the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review... any case arising out of any statute... on the grounds that such statute... regulates--(A) the performance of abortions." Sec. 3(2) (consistent with other Paul bills)

* Paul's Bills Even Violate Constitution: Ron Paul would allow the use of government authority to deprive innocent children of life and liberty. Paul would require the federal government to violate the U.S. Constitution and tolerate child killing, rejecting the 5th and 14th Amendment: "...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

* Libertarians Assert that Authorizing Murder Falls Under State's Rights: States prosecute murder. They do not have the right to decriminalize murder. God gives no country, state, or any subdivision of government permission to tolerate the intentional killing of the innocent. The federal and state relationship is irrelevant to the legalization of abortion. If a neighboring country legalized the killing of Christians, Jews, children, or any class of person not convicted of a capital crime, it thereby commits an act of war that would justify invasion. God won't and pro-lifers must not give a pass to the federal government to look the other way when American states authorize child slaughter.

* Personally Pro-life Means Officially Pro-choice: American RTL Action opposes candidates who are personally pro-life. The official position of someone who wants to be a governing official matters. If an official is personally against lynching blacks, killing Jews, and aborting kids but will officially tolerate such crimes, we will oppose him.

* Constitutional States' Rights are Side Deals: Ron Paul promotes a confused view of states' rights that suggests that the federal government can apathetically look the other way if the states authorize the killing of innocent human beings. No side deal that human beings make between themselves can exempt them from obligation to enforce God's enduring command, Do not murder. So even if the U.S. Constitution explicitly stated that most blacks would be counted for appropriations reasons as three-fifths of a person, or if it explicitly stated that the states have the right to decide whether to authorize the killing of Jews or unborn children, such provisions would be unjust and should not be defended under some perverse understanding of governmental principles but should be opposed by all.

* And Then You Can Kill the Baby PBA Fiasco: Ron Paul voted for the partial birth abortion ban. Any law that ends with "and then you can kill the baby" is a bad law. Thus the PBA ban is a bad law. The U.S. Supreme Court in April 2007 upheld this wicked child-killing regulation in the most brutally vicious decision ever issued by an American court. In their majority Gonzales v. Carhart ruling the court advocated "an injection that kills the fetus" and "less shocking methods" of killing the same late-term children, and the ban explicitly keeps partial-birth abortion legal declaring that the baby can be delivered up to "the navel" and then terminated, turning this ruling into a virtual PBA manual.

* "States' Rights" Violated by Advocate Ron Paul: Ron Paul, in violation of what he sees as a states' rights principle, voted for the federal partial birth abortion ban imposed upon the states. Paul rightly chastised the pro-life movement (which had been led by National RTL) for sponsoring the unprincipled PBA ban, but then he voted for this federal legislation violating not only God's enduring law but also his own states' rights principles even though he acknowledged his fear that this "pro-life" law "does more harm than good" by corrupting the principles of life and further undermining the possibility of legally protecting human life from fertilization. Paul gets a lot of funding from misled conservatives who also gave popular support to the evil PBA ban, so rather than risk alienating these voters, on the House floor Paul lambasted the law, and then voted for it.

* Libertarian President will Punt the Killing of Kids: Ron Paul is running for the nomination for president saying that abortion is not a federal issue. A thousand candidates for mayor have put off pro-lifers with the claim that city government has nothing to do with abortion. Candidates for governor have said abortion is a federal matter. Ron Paul is running for president and he says it's a state matter. God grants no such immunity for the tolerance of shedding innocent blood to any level of government (Deut. 21:1-2, 6-7). These candidates pass the buck, and hope to punt the abortion issue because they see it as hurting their chance to gain power.
 

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Bring it on Paulbots.


Paulbot

Someone suffering from an obnoxious personality disorder which causes them to endlessly scan online discussions for mentions of Ron Paul and then descend on those discussions with hostile invective and over the top praise for Dr. Paul, accompanied with various rude behavior including shouting down disagreement and accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being a fascist. Often characterized by not actually understanding the principles of libertarianism, the political positions of Ron Paul, or how to make any kind of effective argument for their positions. Despite being real people they have been called 'bots' because their comments often have the non sequitur like quality of computer generated spam.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Paulbot
 

drRansom

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Bring it on Paulbots.

Paulbots?

What would the majority of you on here prefer to be referred as? Enyart Christians? It fits, anyway.

Incidentally, I enjoyed this particular Ron Paul thread from almost 4 yrs. ago. At least, I enjoyed the points made by drbrumley and the silence Enyart gave to his points as well as the excellent debate between Vine&FigTree and Lighthouse. Well, not that it was really a debate; Lighthouse got his arse handed to him. But I suppose ad hominem attacks are the foundation upon which any Enyart Christian builds their house, correct? I would know, I was unfortunately there once upon a time.

Anyway, it was nice to see there are at least still a few folks out there who have their heads screwed on straight and don't drink the Koolaid, regardless of what flavor it is. Stay strong in the faith and TRUTH Vine&FigTree, drbrumley and others.
 

aCultureWarrior

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Paulbots?

What would the majority of you on here prefer to be referred as? Enyart Christians? It fits, anyway.

If Bob spent 24 years on the federal government payroll, and wanted at least 4 more years on the government dole, and was currently making $174,000 yearly off the taxpayer, you could call us something else (hypocrites would be more appropriate).

Incidentally, I enjoyed this particular Ron Paul thread from almost 4 yrs. ago. At least, I enjoyed the points made by drbrumley and the silence Enyart gave to his points as well as the excellent debate between Vine&FigTree and Lighthouse. Well, not that it was really a debate; Lighthouse got his arse handed to him. But I suppose ad hominem attacks are the foundation upon which any Enyart Christian builds their house, correct? I would know, I was unfortunately there once upon a time.

Anyway, it was nice to see there are at least still a few folks out there who have their heads screwed on straight and don't drink the Koolaid, regardless of what flavor it is. Stay strong in the faith and TRUTH Vine&FigTree, drbrumley and others.

Federal employee for life Ron Paul hasn't made it a secret that he's 'state rights' whether it be on the issue of pushing crack cocaine to the general population, pimping out people's daughters by legalizing prostitution, keeping Bruce and "what's his name"'s romantic getaway in a public restroom toilet stall legal, as well as murdering babies in the guise of "choice" legal as long as it's done by majority vote at the state level.

Speaking of Paulbots: I see you're a newby here.

"...which causes them to endlessly scan online discussions for mentions of Ron Paul..."
 

drRansom

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Federal employee for life Ron Paul hasn't made it a secret that he's 'state rights' whether it be on the issue of pushing crack cocaine to the general population, pimping out people's daughters by legalizing prostitution, keeping Bruce and "what's his name"'s romantic getaway in a public restroom toilet stall legal, as well as murdering babies in the guise of "choice" legal as long as it's done by majority vote at the state level.

Hyperbole much?

Speaking of Paulbots: I see you're a newby here.

Not really.
 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Federal employee for life Ron Paul hasn't made it a secret that he's 'state rights' whether it be on the issue of pushing crack cocaine to the general population, pimping out people's daughters by legalizing prostitution, keeping Bruce and "what's his name"'s romantic getaway in a public restroom toilet stall legal, as well as murdering babies in the guise of "choice" legal as long as it's done by majority vote at the state level.

Hyperbole much?

What part would be exaggerating drRansom? (I wonder if he's related to drbrumley?).

The part telling that Ron Paul has been a US Congressman for 24 years, and whose salary is currently $174,000 a year?

Or the part where he believes that abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, and recreational drug use should be left up the the states to decide if they want those destructive behaviors legalized?

Granted, the federal government opened the proverbial door to the legalization of abortion and homosexuality, and one state does allow prostitution in one of it's counties; but shouldn't the person that wants to be the next President of the United States encourage moral behavior instead of falsely stating that the Founders of our once great Christian nation had those things in mind when they coined the phrase "states rights"?
 

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Paulbots?

What would the majority of you on here prefer to be referred as? Enyart Christians? It fits, anyway.

Incidentally, I enjoyed this particular Ron Paul thread from almost 4 yrs. ago. At least, I enjoyed the points made by drbrumley and the silence Enyart gave to his points as well as the excellent debate between Vine&FigTree and Lighthouse. Well, not that it was really a debate; Lighthouse got his arse handed to him. But I suppose ad hominem attacks are the foundation upon which any Enyart Christian builds their house, correct? I would know, I was unfortunately there once upon a time.

Anyway, it was nice to see there are at least still a few folks out there who have their heads screwed on straight and don't drink the Koolaid, regardless of what flavor it is. Stay strong in the faith and TRUTH Vine&FigTree, drbrumley and others.

Nice to see you again DrRansom, been along time. Hope things are well with you.

I had to reread that thread since I had forgotten about it. Amazingly, I'm still waiting on answers . Imagine that.
 

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I believe the federal government has a role to play. I believe Roe v. Wade should be repealed. I believe federal law should declare that life begins at conception. And I believe states should regulate the enforcement of this law, as they do other laws against violence. - Ron Paul
 

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As I've said before, only Christians could attack a Christian candidate with this kind of vehemence. When it comes to whatever they don't understand these personhooders simply misconstrue, twist, and lie. That is not a winning strategy.
 

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As I've said before, only Christians could attack a Christian candidate with this kind of vehemence. When it comes to whatever they don't understand these personhooders simply misconstrue, twist, and lie. That is not a winning strategy.

Define "Christian".
 
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