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The scriptures say God the Father raised Jesus, and other scriptures say Jesus raised himself.
That shows they are the same.
That shows they are the same.
Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!
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Did Jesus raise Himself from the grave or did God do it?
by Brad Huston
Before this question can be addressed directly, we must first agree upon what we mean when we say “God,” and we must agree upon the nature of Jesus. Jesus is, by his very nature, God (Phil. 2:6). “God” is not a person, but a title given to the divine nature. There is only one God (Deut. 6:4, Is. 44:6)— one divine nature. However, God exists in three persons, the Trinity. The first person of the Trinity, whom Jesus called the Father, is often referred to as “God,” and rightly so— the Father is God (1 Pet. 1:2-3). However, people often confuse the title “God” as referring only to the Father. The second and third persons of the Trinity, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are also God (Heb. 1:8, Acts 5:3-4). So, there is one God existing in three persons. These persons are all distinct (Matt. 3:16-17). They are all equally God. The divine nature cannot be subdivided; God’s nature is infinite— infinity cannot be subtracted from or added to.
Though there is one God in three persons, the person of Jesus Christ has two natures. He has the divine nature (as previously demonstrated), but He also has a human nature, and is fully human. He was born (Matt. 2:1), and took on human flesh (John 1:14). He suffered physically and emotionally (Heb. 5:7-8). Even after His ascension, He is called “man” (1 Tim. 2:5-6). So, Jesus could operate out of His human nature or His divine nature. As a man, He ate (Luke 24:42-43). As God, He calmed the storm (Matt. 8:26). So, while Christ’s body was dead, He remained alive (since God cannot die). This should not be a great surprise, since human souls remain while the body decays (2 Cor. 5:8). Jesus’ human soul remained in the way that all human souls do, while His divine substance remained unchanged (Mal. 3:6, Heb. 13:8).
So, would it have been possible that Jesus, through His divine nature, even while His human body lay dead, could have displayed His power through resurrection? Absolutely. Jesus, speaking of His body said “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Certainly, it was “God” who raised His body (Rom. 10:9, 1 Pet. 1:21), and Jesus is God. But Scripture also teaches that the Father raised Him (Gal. 1:1; Eph. 1:17,20). Even the Holy Spirit is said to have raised Him (Romans 8:11). So, the act of raising Jesus from the dead was not the operation merely of one person within the Trinity, but was a cooperative act done by the power of the divine substance. The fact that the Bible teaches that God raised Jesus from the dead, and that Jesus raised Himself is yet another testament to Christ’s divinity.
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The CARM site is a Calvinist site.
So! Truth is truth no matter what you call it.
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One God; three PERSONS (not "modes"), oh clueless one.
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No, it shows that they are BOTH GOD!
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There are scriptures stating that The Father raised Jesus.....that The Son raised Himself...that The Spirit raised Jesus....and that The Trinity raised Jesus.
This shows us that each is the same ONE God....NOT that they are each other.
Learn your error...
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Calvinists do not know the truth.
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Three persons?
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Both God? There is only One God.
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Show the scripture that says the trinity raised Jesus. It isn't there.
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Yes, each has ALL the attributes of person-hood.
The Son talks to His Father and the Father talks about His Son.
It's all very simple and clear in the scripture.
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That is correct.
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are THE ONE GOD.
You call it "one and the same", but you are confusing the heck out of things by TRYING to call the PERSONS, modes.
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There is only One God and He is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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I agree: One God in three persons.
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The Father IS THE SPIRIT.
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God is not a person per se. God is Spirit.
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I did NOT say that God is a person.
You simply refuse the truth.
The Son spoke to the Father. It was NOT "the Father with a body" speaking to Himself.
God has revealed Himself as ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS. That is what the Bible says.
Believe it or remain an unbeliever.