ECT Foundation

[popsthebuilder]

Is the foundation set by the Christ of GOD meant to lay dormant, or is the temple of GOD to be built there upon?
Zechariah: 6. 12. And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: 13. Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. 15. And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.



Zechariah: 1. 3. Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. 4. Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD. 5. Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever? 6. But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not take hold of your fathers? and they returned and said, Like as the LORD of hosts thought to do unto us, according to our ways, and according to our doings, so hath he dealt with us. 13. And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. 14. So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 15. And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 16. Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 17. Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem. 20. And the LORD shewed me four carpenters. 21. Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.
Zechariah: 2. 1. I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand. 2. Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof. 4. And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: 7. Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. 8. For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. 9. For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me. 10. Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. 11. And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee. 12. And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. 13. Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

Zechariah: 3. 1. And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 3. Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. 4. And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. 5. And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by. 6. And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, 7. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. 8. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. 9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

peace

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[Interplanner]

Yes, it is to be built on Christ the cornerstone. The new, living temple which fulfills the prophetic vision is built on Christ the cornerstone.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Zechariah: 4. 1. And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep, 2. And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3. And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4. So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? 5. Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 6. Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7. Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.


Can anyone else see the correlation between the doctrine of faith alone/ ineffectual faith and the misdirection that results, that will indeed be punished?

Zechariah: 8. 1. Again the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying, 2. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury. 3. Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain. 4. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age. 5. And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof. 6. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. 7. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; 8. And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness. 9. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built. 10. For before these days there was no hire for man, nor any hire for beast; neither was there any peace to him that went out or came in because of the affliction: for I set all men every one against his neighbour. 11. But now I will not be unto the residue of this people as in the former days, saith the LORD of hosts. 12. For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things. 13. And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong. 14. For thus saith the LORD of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not: 15. So again have I thought in these days to do well unto Jerusalem and to the house of Judah: fear ye not. 16. These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates: 17. And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD. 18. And the word of the LORD of hosts came unto me, saying, 19. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The fast of the fourth month, and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace. 20. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities: 21. And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also. 22. Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. 23. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Zechariah: 9. 3. And Tyrus did build herself a strong hold, and heaped up silver as the dust, and fine gold as the mire of the streets. 4. Behold, the Lord will cast her out, and he will smite her power in the sea; and she shall be devoured with fire. 5. Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; Gaza also shall see it, and be very sorrowful, and Ekron; for her expectation shall be ashamed; and the king shall perish from Gaza, and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited. 6. And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. 7. And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite. 8. And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes. 9. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***. 10. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth. 11. As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. 12. Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee; 13. When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man. 14. And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. 15. The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar. 16. And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land. 17. For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

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[Bradley D]

Christ is the corner stone and we are the temple.

"Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst? (1 Cor. 3:16)

 

[Bradley D]

tried to delete a double post. but cannot find delete. Sorry.

 

[Tambora]

faith alone/ ineffectual faith

What is ineffectual is relying on any of your own works of obedience or righteousness for your salvation.


Romans 5 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.



None of your righteousness or obedience is included.
If you are relying on any of your righteousness and obedience, then you are relying on the wrong one.

It must be by faith alone in the LORD Jesus Christ alone.

 

[popsthebuilder]

What is ineffectual is relying on any of your own works of obedience or righteousness for your salvation.


Romans 5 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.



None of your righteousness or obedience is included.
If you are relying on any of your righteousness and obedience, then you are relying on the wrong one.

It must be by faith alone in the LORD Jesus Christ alone.

If one is dead to sin and the flesh then their actions aren't theirs, but their will is to do the will of GOD through Christ.

It is spoken of throughout the entire Bible.

To act as if we aren't to obey or that it doesn't play any part in out own salvation is to follow the whore of Babylon to the pit.

 

[Interplanner]

If one is dead to sin and the flesh then their actions aren't theirs, but their will is to soothe will of GOD through Christ.

It is spoken of throughout the entire Bible.

To act as if we aren't to obey or that it doesn't play any part in out own salvation is to follow the whore of Babylon to the pit.

Yes, there will be fruit. But what does "soothe the will of God" mean?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Yes, there will be fruit. But what does "soothe the will of God" mean?

It was/ is a typo. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

peace

 

[Tambora]

If one is dead to sin and the flesh then their actions aren't theirs, but their will is to do the will of GOD through Christ.

It is spoken of throughout the entire Bible.

To act as if we aren't to obey or that it doesn't play any part in out own salvation is to follow the whore of Babylon to the pit.

You are just gonna keep on relying on the righteousness and obedience of two, instead of one, aren't ya?
That is equivalent of not trusting enough in the one.
"Scoot over on that cross, Jesus, and let ME help you get 'er done." :kookoo:
Adding another to the one is what will send you to the pit.

 

[glorydaz]

If one is dead to sin and the flesh then their actions aren't theirs,

Whose actions are they then?



Do you know what it means to be dead to sin?

 

[popsthebuilder]

You are just gonna keep on relying on the righteousness and obedience of two, instead of one, aren't ya?
That is equivalent of not trusting enough in the one.
"Scoot over on that cross, Jesus, and let ME help you get 'er done." :kookoo:
Adding another to the one is what will send you to the pit.

Nonsense; it is faith in the work and example and self sacrifice of Jesus the Christ of GOD that I work to follow.

Only a blind or gullible or lazy greedy person could ever conclude that one must not grow in faith and with growth comes fruit.

From start to finish the Bible preaches summation to the will of GOD and metaphorical death to the desired of the flesh.

If the Holy Spirit ever visits you, you might recall being told to do; not to be indifferent to the precious blood of the selfless lamb without blemish.

To believe is to act according to said belief.

If I believe I must work in order to provide sustenance for my family, yet do not then they don't eat. Me not working is indifference, and wrong in light of the knowledge/ belief that they need me toake money to feed them.

Likewise; if I actually believe that the sustenance of my soul is the blood of the Christ and the direction shown by the Holy Spirit and the written Word, then to turn from it after being given the greatest gift I couldn't ever even imagine is much worse than simple indifference; it is acceptance of doubt as if truth and acceptance of eternal death and enmity with GOD as if an inevitability.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Whose actions are they then?



Do you know what it means to be dead to sin?

You would be lead by the Holy Spirit, confessing the Lord and GOD.

it is to be dead to it; as in not desire the wants of the flesh or let them have dominion over you since you, in Christ, are dead, and in Christ are made a new in his conformation; in submission of your will for the sake of HIS will and what is known to be good by the selfless conscience.

 

[Tambora]

Nonsense; it is faith in the work and example and self sacrifice of Jesus the Christ of GOD that I work to follow.

Only a blind or gullible or lazy greedy person could ever conclude that one must not grow in faith and with growth comes fruit.

From start to finish the Bible preaches summation to the will of GOD and metaphorical death to the desired of the flesh.

If the Holy Spirit ever visits you, you might recall being told to do; not to be indifferent to the precious blood of the selfless lamb without blemish.

To believe is to act according to said belief.

If I believe I must work in order to provide sustenance for my family, yet do not then they don't eat. Me not working is indifference, and wrong in light of the knowledge/ belief that they need me toake money to feed them.

Likewise; if I actually believe that the sustenance of my soul is the blood of the Christ and the direction shown by the Holy Spirit and the written Word, then to turn from it after being given the greatest gift I couldn't ever even imagine is much worse than simple indifference; it is acceptance of doubt as if truth and acceptance of eternal death and enmity with GOD as if an inevitability.

That's a lot of words just to say that you don't rely on the righteousness and obedience of one, but to boast of your filthy rags.


Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


HINT: That one ain't you.

 

[popsthebuilder]

That's a lot of words just to say that you don't rely on the righteousness and obedience of one, but to boast of your filthy rags.


Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


HINT: That one ain't you.

Key words for you here are "unto" and "made" denoting righteous living by the Will of GOD because of Christ, not instead of Christ.

Your puffed up words mean nothing.

I dare you to post any scripture supporting your premise that faith is without effect and the believer doesn't change as a result of the free gift of GOD.

I'll bet your a Trinitarian aren't you?

You speak of One; I agree; GOD alone.

Please do support your vacuous claim with in context scripture, or stop making spiteful remarks with no support but your opinion.

You may need to consult another person who claims to understand the topic.

That would be your pastor or priest who spoon fed you the lies you so eagerly and blindly support.


By the way; I am nothing and will never regard myself with any more favor or value than any other and I will never be anything of any worth, bit what GOD has brought about for His glory, through Christ.

 

[Tambora]

Key words for you here are "unto" and "made"

No, the clear and plain words are that it is by the righteousness and obedience of ONE, not two.


Romans 5:15 KJV
(15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.





Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[popsthebuilder]

No, the clear and plain words are that it is by the righteousness and obedience of ONE, not two.


Romans 5:15 KJV
(15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.





Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

You just keep pretending faith is without effect and the precious blood was spilt for no reason.

Keep acting like the entire Bible says only Jesus had to believe and obey.

Keep acting like the Spirit of life resides in those dead in knowing sin.

You will be brought before the Christ to answer for your knowing misdirection.

 

[Tambora]

You just keep pretending faith is without effect and the precious blood was spilt for no reason.

Keep acting like the entire Bible says only Jesus had to believe and obey.

Keep acting like the Spirit of life resides in those dead in knowing sin.

You will be brought before the Christ to answer for your knowing misdirection.

You keep pretending that it is by the righteousness and obedience of two, instead of one.

Per scripture - one.
Per popsthebuilder - two.

Choose wisely.

 

[popsthebuilder]

You keep pretending that it is by the righteousness and obedience of two, instead of one.

Per scripture - one.
Per popsthebuilder - two.

Choose wisely.

No I don't.

You are adding to my words.

Everything the believer does in belief is due to the Will of GOD and the foundation set laid by Jesus the Christ of GOD, His example, His teachings, his selflessness.

As if being built up on the perfect foundation of Christ is equal to being dead in the dirt.

As if sincerely wishing to do the Will of GOD in one's own life is equal to believing ones own self established the foundation and built themselves up. It's just nonsense.

How is listening to and abiding by the teachings and example and two commands of Christ placing oneself above or equal to the teacher and the way?

A student who listens is simply a student with potential. A student who does what they want and listens to only peices and parts of the lesson is sure to fall behind or be lost upon the next lessons introduction.

Tell me; in the parable of the virgins and the lamps, what do you consider the oil for the lamp to be, and what do you think the lamp is? Lastly; what do you think a lamp is generally used for?

peace

 

[popsthebuilder]

You keep pretending that it is by the righteousness and obedience of two, instead of one.

Per scripture - one.
Per popsthebuilder - two.

Choose wisely.

Show a single verse that refutes my words since you can't produce any within context.

I would want to either; it's no fun eating ones own words or being shown to be a liar.

I'm willing to bet it isn't your fault though, bit the weight may fall upon whoever is responsible for leading you off the narrow path and confusing your way.

If Christ is the way to life then to not heed the words of the Christ or His example, or the teachings, or the writings and teachings all throughout the Bible must be equal to going along the broad path with no lamp, lost in the dark all while blindly exclaiming your safety.

I have never said I was righteous. I don't care for that word. The day I claim to be righteous is the day you can justly claim that I focus on me as opposed to our Lord GOD.