Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

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The vaccine saves far more lives than just the people who get dosed with it. The fewer people who get the disease, the less it is spread to others, whether they're vaccinated or not. So the vaccine may very well have saved your life already, especially if you happen to be in a high risk group.
This is exactly the reasoning that the tyrants (like Rusha) use to claim that we need to force everyone to get vaccination, even against our wills.
The vaccines for the coronavirus went through the same layers of review and testing as other vaccines. It was barriers to development, related to funding and manufacturing that were removed.
If that were true, it would not have required emergency USE authorization.
 

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You're operating under multiple false premises here.

The vaccine saves far more lives than just the people who get dosed with it. The fewer people who get the disease, the less it is spread to others, whether they're vaccinated or not. So the vaccine may very well have saved your life already, especially if you happen to be in a high risk group.

The vaccines for the coronavirus went through the same layers of review and testing as other vaccines. It was barriers to development, related to funding and manufacturing that were removed.
Unintended / unexpected consequences of nearly complete vaccination status:

 

way 2 go

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Clete - I've worked in the field. These medications have not been proven safe in the manner that a normal vaccine would be. If a normal vaccine had the same problems that these three are showing to have, it would be yanked from distribution, summarily.
if you could sue the manufacture of the vaccines they would have pulled the vaccines long ago
 

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"In July, the EMA recommended adding myocarditis and pericarditis, or inflammation of the heart, to the list of possible rare side effects on the warning label of the two mRNA vaccines after assessing several hundred reports."


Whoopsie.

Sorry folks - now you got to worry about not only your heart failing but your kidneys too!

And your skin!
 

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Clete - I've worked in the field. These medications have not been proven safe in the manner that a normal vaccine would be. If a normal vaccine had the same problems that these three are showing to have, it would be yanked from distribution, summarily.

The false premises that you're working under are that they are effective, that they will continue to be effective and that they won't be determined to have side effects of a severity that would not normally be deemed acceptable.
Where you've worked is irrelevant.

It is a matter of public record. The same tests were performed and the results evaluated and voted on by the same set of people that make the decisions about what is approved and what isn't. The threshold for emergency use is different that full clearance but even that was not changed for the COVID vaccines.

It is not a false premise that they are effective. There's isn't any doubt at all that they are stunningly effective. As for how long they'll be effective, no one has ever expected them to be permanently effective. The data suggested right now that they last at least six to eight months and perhaps longer in some people. That means for those who got them early, they may be wearing off. That is not a surprise and even if breakthrough cases are on the rise, the data to date still strongly indicates that those who have been vaccinated are still quite protected from serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID.

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This is exactly the reasoning that the tyrants (like Rusha) use to claim that we need to force everyone to get vaccination, even against our wills.
Don't make me put you on ignore.

Any such leap in logic is stupidity to the extreme. I have never advocated any such thing and if you even hint at making another such associaation, I'll put you on ignore and I'll know that this website has trully and fully gone to the dogs and is a completely dead waste of anyone's time.
If that were true, it would not have required emergency USE authorization.
WHAAAAAAAAT?

It was the emergency use authorization that they were seeking by going through all the testing!
 

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OH! MY GOD!!!!

Why am I stuck in this Hell!

I'm am DONE!!!

Good bye to you all.

Someone delete my account!
 

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Don't make me put you on ignore.
I don't make you do anything.
Any such leap in logic is stupidity to the extreme. I have never advocated any such thing and if you even hint at making another such associaation, I'll put you on ignore and I'll know that this website has trully and fully gone to the dogs and is a completely dead waste of anyone's time.
Sorry that you have such a problem with others expressing their opinions.
WHAAAAAAAAT?

It was the emergency use authorization that they were seeking by going through all the testing!
Come on Clete... If they had gone through the NORMAL testing process, there would be no need for the emergency use authorization. It's just that simple.
 

way 2 go

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Where you've worked is irrelevant.

It is a matter of public record. The same tests were performed and the results evaluated and voted on by the same set of people that make the decisions about what is approved and what isn't. The threshold for emergency use is different that full clearance but even that was not changed for the COVID vaccines.

It is not a false premise that they are effective. There's isn't any doubt at all that they are stunningly effective. As for how long they'll be effective, no one has ever expected them to be permanently effective. The data suggested right now that they last at least six to eight months and perhaps longer in some people. That means for those who got them early, they may be wearing off. That is not a surprise and even if breakthrough cases are on the rise, the data to date still strongly indicates that those who have been vaccinated are still quite protected from serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID.

Clete
wuflu vax is stunningly ineffective

August 4, 2021.

14 Israelis have been diagnosed with COVID-19 despite having been inoculated with a third COVID-19 vaccine dose, according to Health Ministry data reported by Channel 12 news on Sunday
According to the network, 2 of those infected after receiving the booster shot have been hospitalized.

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marke

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If they would encourage people to get healthy, lose weight and eat right, many would still be alive today. But you hardly hear one word about that....
If people would believe and trust God it would not matter to them whether they lived or died. God is in charge of what happens to us at any rate and we will never be at peace as long as we worry about things that we cannot control but that God can. All humans are going to die and face God at the judgment. How much better for those who give themselves wholly to Jesus for Him to do as He pleases with their lives.
 

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The vaccines have undoubtedly saved tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of lives worldwide. No amount of "building your immune system" could possibly achieve such a thing!

The function of your immune system has far more to do with your genetics than it has to do with anything you have any control over. That isn't to say that you can't help things along by eating right, exercising and getting proper sleep but, in all but the rarest of cases, the effects we can have on automatic biological functions in our body like the immune system is rather marginal. Even factors such as body weight and how well one's body handles sugar has at least as much to do with your genetics than it has to do with the choices you make in your daily life.

And even if none of that were true - it is true but even if we reject or ignore it totally - even with the massive lifestyle changes - that almost no one is going to make - the effects of those changes would take months and months to manifest and even then it wouldn't make even 1% of the difference that an effective and widely utilized vaccine makes almost immediately.

In short, the sentence "Far Better To BUILD Your Immune System Rather than Count on Vaccines to Protect You!" is not only ignorant but is dangerously stupid.

Clete
We cannot prove the vaccine has saved millions of lives by preventing people from getting covid. Before the vaccine was developed millions of people were already not getting covid and now that the vaccine has come out we are finding that even vaccinated people are getting covid.
 

marke

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So what?

I don't get your point.
Millions never got covid before the vaccine. Now that the vaccine has come out misguided alarmists claim the immunity is due to the vaccine alone. That is ridiculous. Thousands of vaccinated individuals have also gotten infected with covid after receiving the covid shot being promoted as a vaccine.
 

marke

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August 4, 2021.

14 Israelis have been diagnosed with COVID-19 despite having been inoculated with a third COVID-19 vaccine dose, according to Health Ministry data reported by Channel 12 news on Sunday
According to the network, 2 of those infected after receiving the booster shot have been hospitalized.
You're operating under multiple false premises here.

The vaccine saves far more lives than just the people who get dosed with it. The fewer people who get the disease, the less it is spread to others, whether they're vaccinated or not. So the vaccine may very well have saved your life already, especially if you happen to be in a high risk group.

The vaccines for the coronavirus went through the same layers of review and testing as other vaccines. It was barriers to development, related to funding and manufacturing that were removed.
The rush to certify the risky covid shot has resulted in thousands of unnecessary infections and deaths from covid. Ignoring or misrepresenting the truth is wicked.
 

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While it's true you can naturally acquire immunity against an offending invader like a bacteria or virus, experts say natural immunity provides less protection against the new variants than the vaccine. New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows if you've been infected before, you're highly likely to be infected again.

"Antibodies elicited by infection do not neutralize the currently circulating coronavirus variants as efficiently as antibodies elicited by mRNA vaccination," Scott Hensley, an associate professor of microbiology at the University of Pennsylvania, previously told USA TODAY.

A June 30 study published in Science Translational Medicine found antibodies produced by those fully vaccinated with Moderna's mRNA vaccine were more broadly protective against different variants, compared to antibodies of recovered COVID-19 patients.

Vaccines also provide much more consistent protection from infection than natural immunity, said Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines and Virotherapy at Arizona State University.

"Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden told USA TODAY. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels."

A University of Oxford study published in June found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous COVID-19 infection could be at a higher risk of contracting new viral variants.

Vaccines also induce the body to produce antibodies at levels even higher than those who have recovered from COVID-19, Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, assistant professor of pediatrics specializing in infectious diseases at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Health.

"The vaccine elicits many more antibodies than a natural infection, so as the vaccine declines, the protection lasts longer than it would from a natural infection," she said.

The CDC study released on Aug. 6 found the unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected compared to the fully vaccinated, among Kentucky residents infected with COVID-19 in 2020 and watched during the study period of May to June 2021.

Research published in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine journal also found a high recurrence rate when examining COVID-19 reinfections among young, healthy U.S. Marines. Out of the 189 Marine recruits who were infected with the virus between May and November 2020, the April study found 10% tested positive again.

 

marke

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While it's true you can naturally acquire immunity against an offending invader like a bacteria or virus, experts say natural immunity provides less protection against the new variants than the vaccine. New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows if you've been infected before, you're highly likely to be infected again.

"Antibodies elicited by infection do not neutralize the currently circulating coronavirus variants as efficiently as antibodies elicited by mRNA vaccination," Scott Hensley, an associate professor of microbiology at the University of Pennsylvania, previously told USA TODAY.

A June 30 study published in Science Translational Medicine found antibodies produced by those fully vaccinated with Moderna's mRNA vaccine were more broadly protective against different variants, compared to antibodies of recovered COVID-19 patients.

Vaccines also provide much more consistent protection from infection than natural immunity, said Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines and Virotherapy at Arizona State University.

"Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden told USA TODAY. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels."

A University of Oxford study published in June found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous COVID-19 infection could be at a higher risk of contracting new viral variants.

Vaccines also induce the body to produce antibodies at levels even higher than those who have recovered from COVID-19, Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, assistant professor of pediatrics specializing in infectious diseases at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Health.

"The vaccine elicits many more antibodies than a natural infection, so as the vaccine declines, the protection lasts longer than it would from a natural infection," she said.

The CDC study released on Aug. 6 found the unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected compared to the fully vaccinated, among Kentucky residents infected with COVID-19 in 2020 and watched during the study period of May to June 2021.

Research published in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine journal also found a high recurrence rate when examining COVID-19 reinfections among young, healthy U.S. Marines. Out of the 189 Marine recruits who were infected with the virus between May and November 2020, the April study found 10% tested positive again.

Thousands who have been fully vaccinated against covid have been afterwards infected with covid. There are no public records showing large numbers of those who have recovered from covid getting reinfected with covid.
 
If people would believe and trust God it would not matter to them whether they lived or died. God is in charge of what happens to us at any rate and we will never be at peace as long as we worry about things that we cannot control but that God can. All humans are going to die and face God at the judgment. How much better for those who give themselves wholly to Jesus for Him to do as He pleases with their lives.
I couldn't agree with you more! Thanks for the post!
 

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I don't make you do anything.
It's a figure of speech that you know the meaning of full well.

This sentence, therefore, was a lie. An intentional, lie. You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

Sorry that you have such a problem with others expressing their opinions.
It's my opinion that what you said was utter stupidity. It's stupidity that I have a problem with.

This was something else you knew before writing this nonsense. Intentional flagrant lie number two!

Come on Clete... If they had gone through the NORMAL testing process, there would be no need for the emergency use authorization. It's just that simple.
The simple, flat, plain and simple FACT is that the vaccines that are currently approved have gone through all of the testing that has been required for emergency use authorization for years and years and years. There isn't a single test that such an approval requires that these vaccines weren't put through and under other circumstances it would have taken years for that emergency use approval process to unfold. The only reason it didn't has nothing to do with skipped over tests or even shortened or otherwise abbreviated testing. The time was shortened because the red tape was removed and because funding was pumped in by the government to forestall delays related to lack of funds.

Now, you can stick your head in the sand and join the other fools on this thread and insist that there's some sort of conspiracy going on where the whole population of the Earth is being experimented on for some nefarious reason that only "they" know or you can wake the hell up and kick you brain back into gear, stop associating me with leftist control freaks who want to implement mask mandates and shut everything down again, and start acting like the rational human being that I know you're capable of being.

Clete
 
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