ECT Did Jesus Christ break any Commandments?

[Old man]

This will be a thread of a short life span and is not being posted to be otherwise, its purpose is to ask a question of the members on how they would reply to a person who states;

Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath.

Jesus Christ commanded the breaking of the Sabbath.

And; Jesus Christ condoned the breaking of the Sabbath.

When compared to what Jesus said in the first half of Mt.5:19

There may be some of you who agree so would appreciate replies from both sides.

 

[nikolai_42]

This will be a thread of a short life span and is not being posted to be otherwise, its purpose is to ask a question of the members on how they would reply to a person who states;

Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath.

Jesus Christ commanded the breaking of the Sabbath.

And; Jesus Christ condoned the breaking of the Sabbath.

When compared to what Jesus said in the first half of Mt.5:19

There may be some of you who agree so would appreciate replies from both sides.

I would start with these (all words of Jesus) :

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 12:1-8

David's eating of the shewbread is in I Samuel 21:6.

Mark's version of that passage adds this :

How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Mark 2:26-28

This rendition is quite damaging to the Pharisees who try to charge Jesus with breaking the Sabbath.

Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
John 7:19-23

See verses 19 and 20? He charged them with two things :

1. NOT keeping the Law they were charging Him with breaking
2. Trying to kill Him.

And what did they deny? Only number 2. This is at least in part a matter of hypocrisy.

To round it out, it might be a little repetitive, but the question Jesus poses here is a very pertinent one :

And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mark 3:1-5

Note that this is what immediately follows His statement about the sabbath being made for man - not man for the sabbath.

 

[Lon]

▲Ditto▲ He broke 'tradition' on the Sabbath. Find ANY verse that says not to do good on the Sabbath? Ask him/her. They will not be able to find it, not a one: Matthew 12:12 "Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."

One will 'try' to judge Christ but shall surely be judged by Him!

 

[Puppet]

This will be a thread of a short life span and is not being posted to be otherwise, its purpose is to ask a question of the members on how they would reply to a person who states;

Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath.

Jesus Christ commanded the breaking of the Sabbath.

And; Jesus Christ condoned the breaking of the Sabbath.

When compared to what Jesus said in the first half of Mt.5:19

There may be some of you who agree so would appreciate replies from both sides.

I think the sperm makes a person a sinner and every one has a mother and father. Mary didn't have a male to get her pregnant. Jesus isn't a sinner nor He sins. So He is permitted to do what He wants like the things you listed. I think the commandments even though no man has ever kept them nor will ever keep them, show Gods character. It is to show that no man can be like God. This make totally depravity right. Everyone else want to make totally depravity wrong and claim they keep the commanment themselves and end up boasting to the point that it makes them sick inviting illnesses that kills them.

 

[Tambora]

nikolai_42 summed it up quite nicely.
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[nikolai_42]

I think the sperm makes a person a sinner and every one has a mother and father. Mary didn't have a male to get her pregnant. Jesus isn't a sinner nor He sins. So He is permitted to do what He wants like the things you listed. I think the commandments even though no man has ever kept them nor will ever keep them, show Gods character. It is to show that no man can be like God. This make totally depravity right. Everyone else want to make totally depravity wrong and claim they keep the commanment themselves and end up boasting to the point that it makes them sick inviting illnesses that kills them.

I've long struggled with Jesus saying that the one who breaks the least of the commandments and teaches others to do so is least in the Kingdom of Heaven. In light of Him doing what He did, didn't He at least break the letter of the Law?

I think this illustrates the utter impossibility of meeting the standard of righteousness the Law requires. Rather than being a set of do's and don'ts (which it is!), it is an integrated whole that is woven together to present a single, unified picture of righteousness. Man, however, looks at the single laws on their own and tries to rip them from the fabric that they were meant to exist in. Do that and it really isn't the same law. As Jesus pointed out, if I fail to save someone from dying on the Sabbath, have I really done something good?

Jesus presents a picture of the whole Law being fulfilled without contradiction or tearing that "fabric" that the Law weaves. But knowing we can't attain that righteousness, we are covered in clothes that we didn't make - garments of righteousness, so to speak. While Jesus fulfilled the Law, it is realized in those who are His. Thus, a true, born again child of God will know when they are violating that command (remembering it exists as part of a larger whole) because they have the Spirit of God convicting them and the example of Christ to showing them (by the same Spirit) what a fulfilled sabbath looks like.

Then again, we also read in Hebrews that the sabbath itself is also a type and shadow of some greater thing - entering into rest in Christ.
But that's a whole different topic...