John 10:18 KJV -
Did God Raise Jesus From The Dead Or Did Jesus Christ Raise Himself?
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glorydaz
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Father, Son, and Spirit....the ONE God raised Him from the dead.
Hi Patrick, there are other passages which say the opposite of what you have posted; so the only way to begin to understand is to look into the passage you have quoted in the original language. But every time someone attempts to do such a thing around here they get accused of being a "scripture corrector", (lol). So I suppose you will just have to ignore the other passages or live with a contradiction in your doctrine, (if you are dead set on the KJV rendering of the passage you have quoted). Have a nice thread though, and, good topic! :thumb:
I welcome your input and the original language.Hi Patrick, there are other passages which say the opposite of what you have posted; so the only way to begin to understand is to look into the passage you have quoted in the original language. But every time someone attempts to do such a thing around here they get accused of being a "scripture corrector", (lol). So I suppose you will just have to ignore the other passages or live with a contradiction in your doctrine, (if you are dead set on the KJV rendering of the passage you have quoted). Have a nice thread though, and, good topic! :thumb:
glorydaz
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Hi Patrick, there are other passages which say the opposite of what you have posted; so the only way to begin to understand is to look into the passage you have quoted in the original language. But every time someone attempts to do such a thing around here they get accused of being a "scripture corrector", (lol). So I suppose you will just have to ignore the other passages or live with a contradiction in your doctrine, (if you are dead set on the KJV rendering of the passage you have quoted). Have a nice thread though, and, good topic! :thumb:
There are verses that say the Father raised Him. There are verses that say God raised Him. There are verses that say the Holy Spirit raised Him. Jesus said He raised Himself. Now, if we connected all those dots, we'd see they do not say the "opposite" at all, since the Godhead (triune God) always works together as the ONE God.
John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them;[c] and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.
The man Jesus, who was the earthly host body that God had prepared for his son to fill with his spirit and reveal himself to the world, and the awesome sacrifice that he makes for his elect and chosen ones, and for the continual survival of the species of mankind, was raised from death by God.
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
And who will raise us from the dead?
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (Romans 8:11)
And it was the Lord, The Son of Man, who is the Son of God, "WHO I AM," who chose the man Jesus from among the Israelites to speak in his name, the Lord, who would tell him what to say, and he would repeat to the people everything that the Lord commanded him to say. See Deuteronomy 18: 18.
It was the Lord, 'WHO I AM,' who, in John 10: 18; through the mouth of his obedient servant, the man Jesus, said; "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
keypurr
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What??? What do you mean not really dead. Do you believe in the swoon theory?
oatmeal
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God raised Jesus from the dead. There are so many scriptures that make that plain, that I see no need to list any, that is, for any serious Bible student
Nope. Sorry oats but Jesus raised Himself. Jesus is God
Good point. And when he appears we will be just like him and see him as he is.
Beloved, now we are children of God and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is. (1 John 3:2)
Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren... (Hebrews 2:17)
Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren... (Hebrews 2:17)
keypurr
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A big part of the problem is that you believe that 'to die' is to 'cease to exist'.
keypurr
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Well....there ya' go.
And the scripture prove you wrong yet again Patrick jane.
Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.
Who is the prophet that the God/JHWH is referring to here?
Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."
Do you believe the words of Peter, patrick?
Acts 3:19; "Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you.
The man Jesus, was CHOSEN and made both Lord and saviour by "Who I Am".
Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.
Jesus who admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, says in John 5: 24; "Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in "HIM" who sent me, has eternal life.
You must believe in "HIM" who sent Jesus to inherit eternal life.
John 14: 24; "And the word which you hear is not mine, but THE father's who sent me. OUR Father who art in heaven, etc.
Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit of the Lord that had descended upon him in the form of a dove?
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?"
If those were the words of the man Jesus, we would expect to see that Jesus raised himself from death, but if they were the words of the Lord who filled the man Jesus with his spirit and chose him to speak in his name, then they would have been the words that the Lord commanded his obedient servant Jesus to speak, and we would expect to see that it was the Lord who raised the man Jesus to life, as seen in...............
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
And in John 20: 17; Jesus said to Mary Magdalene; "Go to my brothers and tell them that I am ascending to him who is my Father and their Father, my God and their God.
Jesus is not God, Patrick.
oatmeal
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Evidently, you have not looked up any of those numerous verses that clearly state that God raised Jesus from the dead.
You have no interest in those verses.
A one verse "believer", eh?