Deeply concerning effects of alcohol on the brain

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
In Politics because someone might think of Prohibition e.g. ("for example" in Latin) or some other legal matter in this thread, but it could go in Religion also due to morals. Or ethics.

There is this verse in the Bible, the Pauline " ... use a little wine ... " (1st Timothy 5:23). Teetotaling is not a Christian value or virtue, because this verse conflicts 100% with teetotaling as a value or virtue. The Apostle advises directly to "use a little" alcohol. Booze. 'Liquor', even----wine is more concentrated than strong beer (i.e. like 4% ABV) by a factor of two anyway, and liquor is basically just three or four times more concentrated than wine.

Actually this article is very precisely consistent with the idea that Paul is very explicitly limiting the "use" of wine to only "little", whatever that word means. The linked article suggests that if any alcohol is safe to ingest, that it can only be a "little". Because even just half a typical drink a day ... shrinks, your head!

lol.
 

Eric h

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We don't know how much wine had been consumed at the wedding feast in Cana, but it ran out. But we know that Jesus turned over a hundred and twenty plus gallon of water into wine.

John 2
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
We don't know how much wine had been consumed at the wedding feast in Cana, but it ran out. But we know that Jesus turned over a hundred and twenty plus gallon of water into wine.

John 2
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
You're right. And even if the wedding at Cana was "Old Testament" (this is what @john w would say), what Paul wrote in 1st Timothy 5:23 was "a little wine".
 

Right Divider

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You're right. And even if the wedding at Cana was "Old Testament" (this is what @john w would say), what Paul wrote in 1st Timothy 5:23 was "a little wine".
The "a little wine" was for medical purposes.

1Tim 5:23 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:23) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
 

marke

Well-known member
We don't know how much wine had been consumed at the wedding feast in Cana, but it ran out. But we know that Jesus turned over a hundred and twenty plus gallon of water into wine.

John 2
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
The wine Jesus made was far superior to the fermented dregs of human winemaking. Here is God's mind on the subject:

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
The "a little wine" was for medical purposes.

1Tim 5:23 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:23) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
I know. So how much wine is "a little wine" when it's meant for medical treatment as a medicine?

Not much. And having not much alcohol is just about the right amount to have, according to the OP's link's study.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
The wine Jesus made was far superior to the fermented dregs of human winemaking. Here is God's mind on the subject:

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
I like that "whosoever is deceived thereby". That just means whosoever is DRUNK.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
Interesting that Paul writes " ... be not drunk with wine..." to the Ephesians (5:18) but to their bishop he writes "...a little wine..." (1Ti5:23). It's almost like behind their back. Except the Church published both the letter to the congregation (church) at Ephesus, and two letters to their bishop (pastor). So we got a nice rounded picture of what it was like to be a Christian during the Apostolic age, just in comparing Ephesians with 1st and 2nd Timothy. Pretty neat.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
My point is that this verse is not a general comment on the drinking of alcohol.
It's a general comment on teetotaling though. Teetotaling is not a biblical value or virtue, because 1st Timothy 5:23 conflicts with teetotaling as a biblical value or virtue.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
No, it's not. Paul was giving medical advice (for stomach problem).

Indeed.

1 Tim 5:23 is medical advice. It has nothing to do with "tee-totaling".
If you're not advocating for teetotaling as a Christian virtue or value then I'm really just not talking to you. I'm showing that teetotaling is not a part of Christian, biblical ethics or morals. Even if this verse is only speaking about medicine it's still in conflict with teetotaling. Peace.
 

marke

Well-known member
If you're not advocating for teetotaling as a Christian virtue or value then I'm really just not talking to you. I'm showing that teetotaling is not a part of Christian, biblical ethics or morals. Even if this verse is only speaking about medicine it's still in conflict with teetotaling. Peace.
Some Christians look for possible ways to condone drinking. Christians who totally abstain from drinking are never in danger of violating God's disapproval of unacceptable drinking.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
Some Christians look for possible ways to condone drinking. Christians who totally abstain from drinking are never in danger of violating God's disapproval of unacceptable drinking.
You have every right to pursue teetotaling for yourself Marke, I don't 'look down' on you in any way over that. 'More power to you,' really.

And in the light of the OP's link's study, you're certainly taking the path of greater health. It looks like teetotaling is the only truly healthy option when it comes to booze and liquor. If you're going to go for 'moderation', then the study indicates that what you might think is 'moderate' is actually still dangerous and harmful, and the only 'moderate' amount of alcohol that you could drink healthfully, would be "a little". Like a very little.

Just like Paul said.
 

marke

Well-known member
You have every right to pursue teetotaling for yourself Marke, I don't 'look down' on you in any way over that. 'More power to you,' really.

And in the light of the OP's link's study, you're certainly taking the path of greater health. It looks like teetotaling is the only truly healthy option when it comes to booze and liquor. If you're going to go for 'moderation', then the study indicates that what you might think is 'moderate' is actually still dangerous and harmful, and the only 'moderate' amount of alcohol that you could drink healthfully, would be "a little". Like a very little.

Just like Paul said.
We teach in our school that God disapproves of drinking. That does not harm children even if it may omit some possible exceptions.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
We teach in our school that God disapproves of drinking. That does not harm children even if it may omit some possible exceptions.
How can you teach that in light of the wedding at Cana Marke?

Jesus made booze!

What are the kids going to think when they read about this story in John's Gospel?
 
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