Could Dogs detect Covid-19?

[eider]

Could Dogs detect Covis-19?

The UK Government is to provide £500,000 for research to discover whether trained dogs can identify the coronavirus or covid-19 in people. We already have 'Medical Detection Dogs' used to identify certain cancers, Parkinsons disease and malaria, and seizure detection dogs have proved to be life-savers for some sufferers of epilepsy.

A friend of mine trains drug and explosives detection dogs and he feels that if this research produces positive results that testing could advance safety for all. I have included a link to Medical Detection Dogs and have also pronted out an introduction to this work from their web-site.

Dogs could join the fight against COVID-19
www.medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
Medical Detection Dogs is looking into whether man's best friend could play a role in preventing the spread of Coronavirus. The charity has spent years ...
The charity has spent years successfully researching the science behind dogs’ sense of smell and believes that dogs could detect the disease. It has always adopted a rigorous, scientific approach to its work, and produced more than a dozen peer reviewed research papers which support its belief that each disease has its own unique odour.

Medical Detection Dogs will be working in partnership with the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and Durham University, bringing together the team which recently collaborated to successfully prove that dogs can be trained to detect malaria.

Together they have started preparations to intensively train dogs so they could be ready in 6 weeks to help provide a rapid, non-invasive diagnosis towards the tail end of the epidemic, and approached government about how dogs can play a role in the fight against the disease.

Dogs searching for COVID-19 would be trained in the same way as those dogs the charity has already trained to detect diseases like cancer, Parkinson’s and bacterial infections – by sniffing samples in the charity’s training room and indicating when they have found it. They are also able to detect subtle changes in temperature of the skin, so could potentially tell if someone has a fever.

Once trained, dogs could also be used to identify travelers entering the country infected with the virus or be deployed in other public spaces.
Dr Claire Guest, CEO and Co-Founder of Medical Detection Dogs, says: “In principle, we’re sure that dogs could detect COVID-19. We are now looking into how we can safely catch the odour of the virus from patients and present it to the dogs.

“The aim is that dogs will be able to screen anyone, including those who are asymptomatic and tell us whether they need to be tested. This would be fast, effective and non-invasive and make sure the limited NHS testing resources are only used where they are really needed.”

Professor James Logan, Head of Department of Disease Control at The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, and Director of ARCTEC, said: “Our previous work demonstrated that dogs can detect odours from humans with a malaria infection with extremely high accuracy – above the World Health Organisation standards for a diagnostic.

 

[Clete]

Could Dogs detect Covis-19?

The UK Government is to provide £500,000 for research to discover whether trained dogs can identify the coronavirus or covid-19 in people. We already have 'Medical Detection Dogs' used to identify certain cancers, Parkinsons disease and malaria, and seizure detection dogs have proved to be life-savers for some sufferers of epilepsy.

A friend of mine trains drug and explosives detection dogs and he feels that if this research produces positive results that testing could advance safety for all. I have included a link to Medical Detection Dogs and have also pronted out an introduction to this work from their web-site.

Dogs could join the fight against COVID-19
www.medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
Medical Detection Dogs is looking into whether man's best friend could play a role in preventing the spread of Coronavirus. The charity has spent years ...
The charity has spent years successfully researching the science behind dogs’ sense of smell and believes that dogs could detect the disease. It has always adopted a rigorous, scientific approach to its work, and produced more than a dozen peer reviewed research papers which support its belief that each disease has its own unique odour.

Medical Detection Dogs will be working in partnership with the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and Durham University, bringing together the team which recently collaborated to successfully prove that dogs can be trained to detect malaria.

Together they have started preparations to intensively train dogs so they could be ready in 6 weeks to help provide a rapid, non-invasive diagnosis towards the tail end of the epidemic, and approached government about how dogs can play a role in the fight against the disease.

Dogs searching for COVID-19 would be trained in the same way as those dogs the charity has already trained to detect diseases like cancer, Parkinson’s and bacterial infections – by sniffing samples in the charity’s training room and indicating when they have found it. They are also able to detect subtle changes in temperature of the skin, so could potentially tell if someone has a fever.

Once trained, dogs could also be used to identify travelers entering the country infected with the virus or be deployed in other public spaces.
Dr Claire Guest, CEO and Co-Founder of Medical Detection Dogs, says: “In principle, we’re sure that dogs could detect COVID-19. We are now looking into how we can safely catch the odour of the virus from patients and present it to the dogs.

“The aim is that dogs will be able to screen anyone, including those who are asymptomatic and tell us whether they need to be tested. This would be fast, effective and non-invasive and make sure the limited NHS testing resources are only used where they are really needed.”

Professor James Logan, Head of Department of Disease Control at The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, and Director of ARCTEC, said: “Our previous work demonstrated that dogs can detect odours from humans with a malaria infection with extremely high accuracy – above the World Health Organisation standards for a diagnostic.

Imaging a world in which you have to have a dog's permission to enter a store, restaurant or other public establishment.

Do these dogs ever give false indications? Yes!

Can you tell by looking at these dogs what it is they're trained to detect? No!


This Wuhan Virus outbreak is the biggest leap forward for left wing, command and control, big government socialism that the world has seen since the eugenics craze in the early 20th century. It too was aimed at wiping out, or at least reducing, disease and was sold as a public health issue. (Ironically, it's the same sort of people who supported manipulation of the human gene pool who now act as if genetically modified corn is something to be scared of.)

Every time something scary happens we loose large chunks of our freedom to the point now where it seems our liberty, what of it there is left, might literally be going to the dogs.

Clete

 

[eider]

Imaging a world in which you have to have a dog's permission to enter a store, restaurant or other public establishment.

Do these dogs ever give false indications? Yes!

Can you tell by looking at these dogs what it is they're trained to detect? No!


This Wuhan Virus outbreak is the biggest leap forward for left wing, command and control, big government socialism that the world has seen since the eugenics craze in the early 20th century. It too was aimed at wiping out, or at least reducing, disease and was sold as a public health issue. (Ironically, it's the same sort of people who supported manipulation of the human gene pool who now act as if genetically modified corn is something to be scared of.)

Every time something scary happens we loose large chunks of our freedom to the point now where it seems our liberty, what of it there is left, might literally be going to the dogs.

Clete

Huh?
Our Conservative government is funding this.
We use sniffer dogs to detect other illnesses and if, just if, a dog can be trained to detect covid, then this could make public venues much safer.
You're so paranoid !

 

[Clete]

Huh?
Our Conservative government is funding this.
We use sniffer dogs to detect other illnesses and if, just if, a dog can be trained to detect covid, then this could make public venues much safer.
You're so paranoid !

With all due respect, we do not have a conservative government. Far from it. This economic shut down is the most left wing, command and control, big government, socialistic move that any president have ever taken it upon himself to even attempt, never mind actually carry out. The left always seem to get these big quantum leaps in the advancement of their agenda when there is a Republican in the White House and the measure that achieved it always seems to be supported by the right and apposed by the left!

And no, it would not make any venue safer. It would only delay the inevitable, if it even did that. Have you read anything about how this virus spreads and how contagious it is? Putting sniffer dogs at the front door of public venues would work as well at preventing the Wuhan Virus as it would work at preventing the common cold or the flu. The COVID-19 virus is spread in pretty much exactly the same way. Chances are excellent that you will catch this virus if you haven't already. The difference between it and the cold or flu is that it seems (they think) that once you've had the Wuhan Virus you're probably immune from getting it again. If that turns out not to be the case then no amount of sniffer dogs or masks or socialist distancing is going to matter a hill of beans. The best possible effect any such measure could hope to have is to slow down the spread of the disease thus prolonging the amount of time that everyone has to have their crotch sniffed by a dog when they walk into Walmart as well as every other command and control measure this so called "conservative" government has already put in place.

If you want to give up your freedom for the sake of safety, you go right ahead but don't think I'm going along with it. If you believe it paranoid to think that the government will take your liberty if given the chance then you've been asleep for the last two months - at least. Every crisis that comes along is used as an excuse to take yet more of your freedoms away. We used to be free to speak our mind, to believe what our own conscience demanded and to go where we pleased. Now, stray too far from being a leftist, pervert or atheist and you'd better watch what you say, especially if you happen to be a white male who believes the bible.

Clete

 

[eider]

With all due respect, we do not have a conservative government. Far from it. This economic shut down is the most left wing, command and control, big government, socialistic move that any president have ever taken it upon himself to even attempt, never mind actually carry out. The left always seem to get these big quantum leaps in the advancement of their agenda when there is a Republican in the White House and the measure that achieved it always seems to be supported by the right and apposed by the left!

And no, it would not make any venue safer. It would only delay the inevitable, if it even did that. Have you read anything about how this virus spreads and how contagious it is? Putting sniffer dogs at the front door of public venues would work as well at preventing the Wuhan Virus as it would work at preventing the common cold or the flu. The COVID-19 virus is spread in pretty much exactly the same way. Chances are excellent that you will catch this virus if you haven't already. The difference between it and the cold or flu is that it seems (they think) that once you've had the Wuhan Virus you're probably immune from getting it again. If that turns out not to be the case then no amount of sniffer dogs or masks or socialist distancing is going to matter a hill of beans. The best possible effect any such measure could hope to have is to slow down the spread of the disease thus prolonging the amount of time that everyone has to have their crotch sniffed by a dog when they walk into Walmart as well as every other command and control measure this so called "conservative" government has already put in place.

If you want to give up your freedom for the sake of safety, you go right ahead but don't think I'm going along with it. If you believe it paranoid to think that the government will take your liberty if given the chance then you've been asleep for the last two months - at least. Every crisis that comes along is used as an excuse to take yet more of your freedoms away. We used to be free to speak our mind, to believe what our own conscience demanded and to go where we pleased. Now, stray too far from being a leftist, pervert or atheist and you'd better watch what you say, especially if you happen to be a white male who believes the bible.

Clete

Wow!
I live in the UK and our leader is very right wing, went to Eton school etc.
You write as if a medical expert, what do you work at, please?
We won't know if dogs can detect covid for some time, but if they can and if they are used at public venues, then all they would do is sit down beside a positive signal. In such a situation I would expect that the person would be asked to submit to a test.
if you travel by plane you've already been subjected to detection dogs which walk along queues at airports, but I wouldn't be worried.

If such dogs exist and if their use helps to open up our communities more quickly, then I expect that people like President Trump would embrace their use very quickly.
​​​​​​
You are still free to speak your mind. You still do I expect. Obviously you can't promote or incite crime and hatred, but that's all.

And you have never been able to go just anywhere you liked. Never.

Tell me now...... Where exactly do you want to go which is forbidden to you?

 

[User Name]

This economic shut down is the most left wing, command and control, big government, socialistic move that any president have ever taken it upon himself to even attempt, never mind actually carry out. The left always seem to get these big quantum leaps in the advancement of their agenda when there is a Republican in the White House

Feel free to rip Trump by name, no need to be shy about it. Soon you'll be accused of having "TDS!"

 

[JudgeRightly]

With all due respect, we do not have a conservative government. Far from it. This economic shut down is the most left wing, command and control, big government, socialistic move that any president have ever taken it upon himself to even attempt, never mind actually carry out. The left always seem to get these big quantum leaps in the advancement of their agenda when there is a Republican in the White House and the measure that achieved it always seems to be supported by the right and apposed by the left!

And no, it would not make any venue safer. It would only delay the inevitable, if it even did that. Have you read anything about how this virus spreads and how contagious it is? Putting sniffer dogs at the front door of public venues would work as well at preventing the Wuhan Virus as it would work at preventing the common cold or the flu. The COVID-19 virus is spread in pretty much exactly the same way. Chances are excellent that you will catch this virus if you haven't already. The difference between it and the cold or flu is that it seems (they think) that once you've had the Wuhan Virus you're probably immune from getting it again. If that turns out not to be the case then no amount of sniffer dogs or masks or socialist distancing is going to matter a hill of beans. The best possible effect any such measure could hope to have is to slow down the spread of the disease thus prolonging the amount of time that everyone has to have their crotch sniffed by a dog when they walk into Walmart as well as every other command and control measure this so called "conservative" government has already put in place.

If you want to give up your freedom for the sake of safety, you go right ahead but don't think I'm going along with it. If you believe it paranoid to think that the government will take your liberty if given the chance then you've been asleep for the last two months - at least. Every crisis that comes along is used as an excuse to take yet more of your freedoms away. We used to be free to speak our mind, to believe what our own conscience demanded and to go where we pleased. Now, stray too far from being a leftist, pervert or atheist and you'd better watch what you say, especially if you happen to be a white male who believes the bible.

Clete

Just FYI, Eider is a Brit living in Britain.

 

[eider]

Feel free to rip Trump by name, no need to be shy about it. Soon you'll be accused of having "TDS!"

Hi.....
Come on..... What is TDS?
I have no clue.

 

[User Name]

Hi.....
Come on..... What is TDS?
I have no clue.

TDS = "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

If you publicly disagree with anything Trump does as president, you have it!

 

[eider]

TDS = "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

If you publicly disagree with anything Trump does as president, you have it!

Oh dear!
I think might have a slight temperature!
​​​​​​But worse, that just could be another pandemic over here. True.

 

[Jonahdog]

With all due respect, we do not have a conservative government. Far from it. This economic shut down is the most left wing, command and control, big government, socialistic move that any president have ever taken it upon himself to even attempt, never mind actually carry out. The left always seem to get these big quantum leaps in the advancement of their agenda when there is a Republican in the White House and the measure that achieved it always seems to be supported by the right and apposed by the left!

And no, it would not make any venue safer. It would only delay the inevitable, if it even did that. Have you read anything about how this virus spreads and how contagious it is? Putting sniffer dogs at the front door of public venues would work as well at preventing the Wuhan Virus as it would work at preventing the common cold or the flu. The COVID-19 virus is spread in pretty much exactly the same way. Chances are excellent that you will catch this virus if you haven't already. The difference between it and the cold or flu is that it seems (they think) that once you've had the Wuhan Virus you're probably immune from getting it again. If that turns out not to be the case then no amount of sniffer dogs or masks or socialist distancing is going to matter a hill of beans. The best possible effect any such measure could hope to have is to slow down the spread of the disease thus prolonging the amount of time that everyone has to have their crotch sniffed by a dog when they walk into Walmart as well as every other command and control measure this so called "conservative" government has already put in place.

If you want to give up your freedom for the sake of safety, you go right ahead but don't think I'm going along with it. If you believe it paranoid to think that the government will take your liberty if given the chance then you've been asleep for the last two months - at least. Every crisis that comes along is used as an excuse to take yet more of your freedoms away. We used to be free to speak our mind, to believe what our own conscience demanded and to go where we pleased. Now, stray too far from being a leftist, pervert or atheist and you'd better watch what you say, especially if you happen to be a white male who believes the bible.

Clete

So, what should the US government have done?

 

[Clete]

So, what should the US government have done?

That's the wrong question.

It isn't so much that the response was incorrect, especially with the poor information that they had at the time, it's how long it's been permitted to persist and what's been allowed to happen since that's the problem.

Try to think back a year ago, before anyone had ever heard of the Wuhan Virus, and image what your response would have been to the idea of the government spending money that they do not have trying to train dogs to sniff out undesirable people at the entrances of stores, restaurants, and other public venues. That does not happen in a free society.

And only someone who is so far left that only Communists and outright militarized, jack booted Nazi's reside to his left would think that Trump is "very right wing". He isn't. Far from it. But you'd better be glad that he's as right leaning as he happens to be because as soon as this country goes full socialist, it'll be the end of Europe. The only reason Europe, including England, has lasted this long is by sucking the life blood out of America. As soon as America makes the transition from dog to flea, it'll be all fleas and no dog. That's not a sustainable situation. And if there was ever anything this government could have done to hasten that process, it was shut down our economy for months, spend tens of trillions of our children's and grandchildren's money trying to keep the whole system from collapsing and teaching the whole society that they'll die if they don't follow directions.

 

[Clete]

Feel free to rip Trump by name, no need to be shy about it. Soon you'll be accused of having "TDS!"

When have you ever experienced me being shy about saying anything about anyone?

In terms of what has been accomplished regarding personal and economic freedom and in terms of the President of the United Stated acting like the President of the United States and not the "leader of the free world", Trump is the best president the U.S. has ever had at least since Reagan and probably since Lincoln. Image what could be accomplished if someone who was actually right wing and who truly understood and fully supported the ideas that made this country greater than every country that had ever existed before was in the White House!

 

[Rusha]

Hi.....
Come on..... What is TDS?
I have no clue.

Sigh. It’s a pretend condition made up by trumpateers who practice selective morality ...

 

[eider]

Sigh. It’s a pretend condition made up by trumpateers who practice selective morality ...

Hi.....
Yes, User Name explained to me in a return-post:-
TDS = "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

I don't mind such a term, its an opinion within some people so its real to them.

 

[eider]

............The left always seem to get......................

Clete, the OP is about medical assistance dogs, it an apolitical subject.

And no, it would not make any venue safer.

Yes, Clete, if dogs can do it, then queues can move more quickly and people be asked if they can take a temperature or covid test.
It might possibly be able to save lives. Hardly a malignant idea.
And in a later post you call selected persons 'Undesirable' which is just not a correct way to look at innocents who might be ill.

It would only delay the inevitable,......

How do you know? I already asked if you are a medical specialist and wondered what you do for work but you never replied.

Chances are excellent that you will catch this virus if you haven't already.

Bad thinking, Clete. The whole idea of slowing down the infection rate of this virus is to save our health services from collapse and to buy time in which our medics might, just might, find a vaccine.

If you want to give up your freedom for the sake of safety, you go right ahead

What liberty exactly?
As a community we have acted in a team effort in the UK, although now we are beginning to think about a relaxation of the measures taken to slow this virus peak and turn it.

Every crisis that comes along is used as an excuse to take yet more of your freedoms away.

What freedoms have you lost for ever? I already asked you this but you obviously could not think of anything. What do you want to do which you can't?

We used to be free to speak our mind, to believe what our own conscience demanded and to go where we pleased.

What can't you say that you want to? Where did you want to go to as you pleased?
Come on......... tell us.

Now, stray too far from being a leftist, pervert or atheist and you'd better watch what you say, ...

What did you want to say that you cannot?
Tell us........... you're pretty safe here is my guess.

............especially if you happen to be a white male who believes the bible.
Clete

...believes the bible? What has a person's beliefs got to do with medical detection dog possibilities?
I know lots of white males and they don't seem to be frustrated in their communications and thoughts to me, and what has any of this got to do with the possibility that medical detection dogs might be able to identify this virus?

..... it seems that you have a one track mind which activates for any subject chosen...... Now dog trainers have been talking to me about this subject and they have opinions based upon their experiences with their own safety and security dogs, they've even suggested the % of dog breeds and their numbers which might produce suitable dogs for training....... etc......... none of them have started screaming about perverts, leftists, atheists or anything to do with politics. Do you see? You're looking at this in the wrong direction, I think.

 

[Clete]

Sigh. It’s a pretend condition made up by trumpateers who practice selective morality ...

Selective morality? Do you mean like when Bill Clinton admits that cheated on his wife with an intern in the White House it's a conspiracy theory but when Judge Kavanaugh is lied about without ANY evidence whatsoever it's has to be true! That's surely what you must mean!

And even if this accusation is true for some, as it surely is, it's still a laugh seeing such an accusation coming from anyone on the left.

Is it moral to murder unborn babies?

Is it moral to murder new born babies?

Is it moral to murder Jews by the millions? (Yes, it was a hard left-wing government that did that and it was a right-wing government that stopped it.)

Is it moral to segregate blacks the way the Democrats did in the south through more than half of the 20th century?

You probably think that sexually perverted men should be allowed to follow young girls into public restrooms.

You probably think that the mass housing of murderers, rapists and criminals of every stripe is what justice looks like.

 

[Clete]

Clete, the OP is about medical assistance dogs, it an apolitical subject.

It isn't just about dogs. It's the government paying for the dogs training and it will be the government that permits them to be posted wherever they get posted at.

Of course it's political.

Yes, Clete, if dogs can do it, then queues can move more quickly and people be asked if they can take a temperature or covid test.
It might possibly be able to save lives. Hardly a malignant idea.
And in a later post you call selected persons 'Undesirable' which is just not a correct way to look at innocents who might be ill.

It will not prevent a single death and of course its an entirely correct way to characterize the folks singled out by the dogs. Dogs, which will routinely give false positives and which you cannot tell by looking at them what they are trained to detect.

How do you know? I already asked if you are a medical specialist and wondered what you do for work but you never replied.

I don't recall you asking. It isn't relevant anyway.

Bad thinking, Clete. The whole idea of slowing down the infection rate of this virus is to save our health services from collapse and to buy time in which our medics might, just might, find a vaccine.

Which has been accomplished to the point that multi-million dollar temporary hospitals have been dismantlement all over the country for lack of use.

And it is at least as likely that we will never have a vaccine. There far more viruses that we do not have vaccines for than there are that we do have one for. There is still no vaccine anywhere in sight for AIDS, SARS, MERS, Enfluensa, Rhino Virus, etc, etc, etc.

What liberty exactly?
As a community we have acted in a team effort in the UK, although now we are beginning to think about a relaxation of the measures taken to slow this virus peak and turn it.

This question is asinine! What exactly do you think the word liberty refers to? When people talk about being free, what are they talking about? Free from what?

That's a real question! It is not rhetorical.

What freedoms have you lost for ever? I already asked you this but you obviously could not think of anything. What do you want to do which you can't?

Is there a post I missed? You've never asked me this before and if you had any idea what I'm talking about, you'd know that the question answers itself and you'd have never asked it.

What can't you say that you want to? Where did you want to go to as you pleased?
Come on......... tell us.

If I act on my conscience, I'd be our of business in a year. Some pervert would sue me out of existence because I refused to hire because he discussed me too much. Hire? Never mind hire! I can't even choose who I want to do business with or not without getting sued out of existence by some activist pervert.

But flip the coin over and have me sue some pervert who didn't want to cut my Christian hair and see how fast I get tossed out of court for filing a frivolous law suit.

You're so naive and stupid that you think you're free! It's laughable!

What did you want to say that you cannot?
Tell us........... you're pretty safe here is my guess.

You're repeating yourself.

Read my entire post before starting a response to it.

...believes the bible? What has a person's beliefs got to do with medical detection dog possibilities?
I know lots of white males and they don't seem to be frustrated in their communications and thoughts to me, and what has any of this got to do with the possibility that medical detection dogs might be able to identify this virus?

That's because, like you, they can't think past the length of their own noses.

.. it seems that you have a one track mind which activates for any subject chosen...... Now dog trainers have been talking to me about this subject and they have opinions based upon their experiences with their own safety and security dogs, they've even suggested the % of dog breeds and their numbers which might produce suitable dogs for training....... etc......... none of them have started screaming about perverts, leftists, atheists or anything to do with politics. Do you see? You're looking at this in the wrong direction, I think.

Just utter stupidity.

Why am I wasting time with this idiot?

You probably thought it was a smart move to get the opinion of the insurance industry about whether the government should require everyone in the country to buy health insurance. If the government wanted to mandate the wearing of wrist watches, would you base your opinion about the idea on what the folks at Timex thought?


What you don't seem to understand is that it's not any of the government's business where I go or what I do when I get there. That's between me and the owner of whatever venue of choose to visit and it is not ANY of the government's business - period. If the store owner wants to hire someone with a trained dog so as to filter out people who might present a danger to his other costumers then he is free to do so just as I am free to either frequent his establishment or not. It is not the government job to make my life safe from nature! Safe from criminals, yes, of course, but not from catching a virus. I, for one, do not support the idea of giving up my liberty for the sake of safety. A government giving warnings and issuing guidelines is one thing. Forcibly shutting down business under penalty of law is quite another and posting guard dogs to prevent undesirables from entering public places isn't so far as you'd like to pretend from having jack boots on your throat.

Clete

 

[eider]

Selective morality?
Is it moral to murder Jews by the millions? (Yes, it was a hard left-wing government that did that and it was a right-wing government that stopped it.)

No Clete.
Hitler was very very right wing, a Nazi.
And Hitler was a Christian, Clete. Did you know he had been an altar boy?
Do you know what was embossed upon the belts of the 3rd Reich?

..... just sayin'....

 

[eider]

It isn't just about dogs. It's the government paying for the dogs training and it will be the government that permits them to be posted wherever they get posted at.

Of course it's political.

No Clete, you got that wrong. No government is paying for dog training, its paying for research to discover whether dogs can in fact identify Covid-19.

It will not prevent a single death and of course its an entirely correct way to characterize the folks singled out by the dogs. Dogs, which will routinely give false positives and which you cannot tell by looking at them what they are trained to detect.

I don't recall you asking. It isn't relevant anyway.

We already know that you do not have medical work nor knowledge of dogs or you would have told me!
You can't have a clue about whether the dogs would give faslse posotives because research hasn't even commenced.

Which has been accomplished to the point that multi-million dollar temporary hospitals have been dismantlement all over the country for lack of use.
And it is at least as likely that we will never have a vaccine. There far more viruses that we do not have vaccines for than there are that we do have one for. There is still no vaccine anywhere in sight for AIDS, SARS, MERS, Enfluensa, Rhino Virus, etc, etc, etc.

We may never have a vaccine, Clete, as you say. So we'll search, if you don't mind.

This question is asinine! What exactly do you think the word liberty refers to?

No, the question is not from an ***, Clete. I am not an ***. You simply rant about freedom but cannot tell me what freedom you have lost, in the past or at all. The present lockdowns in our countries are temporary measures. Stop being like a spoiled kid.

Is there a post I missed? [/QUOTE
Previously I asked you what you wanted to do, or where you wanted to go, that you can't think of any answer, it seems.

If I act on my conscience, I'd be our of business in a year. Some pervert would sue me out of existence because I refused to hire because he discussed me too much. Hire? Never mind hire! I can't even choose who I want to do business with or not without getting sued out of existence by some activist pervert.

What is your business?
I'm retired.

[QUOTE}But flip the coin over and have me sue some pervert who didn't want to cut my Christian hair and see how fast I get tossed out of court for filing a frivolous law suit.

So you might want a pervert to cut your hair, do you?
Strange.

You're so naive and stupid that you think you're free! It's laughable!

And you obviously are an insulting person, Clete. I was an *** earlier on, and I am now naive and stupid.
I am happy with what freedom that I have!

Just utter stupidity.

Why am I wasting time with this idiot?

Let's see, I'm an ***, naive, stupid, and an idiot, all in one post, and you think you're a decent person..... yes?

You probably thought it was a smart move to get the opinion of the insurance industry about whether the government should require everyone in the country to buy health insurance.......................

You definitely think it's smart to paint everybody with the same brush.

What you don't seem to understand is that it's not any of the government's business where I go or what I do when I get there. That's between me and the owner of whatever venue of choose to visit and it is not ANY of the government's business - period. If the store owner wants to hire someone with a trained dog so as to filter out people who might present a danger to his other costumers then he is free to do so just as I am free to either frequent his establishment or not. It is not the government job to make my life safe from nature! Safe from criminals, yes, of course, but not from catching a virus. I, for one, do not support the idea of giving up my liberty for the sake of safety. A government giving warnings and issuing guidelines is one thing. Forcibly shutting down business under penalty of law is quite another and posting guard dogs to prevent undesirables from entering public places isn't so far as you'd like to pretend from having jack boots on your throat.

Clete

Did they bark at you? The guard dogs ? Do they frighten you or something?
I'm afraid that government officers, police, sheriffs, etc can stop you if you are busting bye-laws, state laws or federal legislation.
You can holler and you can shout, but it would be best of you do what you're told by those folks.

You keep saying to other members how great your country is, in fact you mentioned that your country is the greatest in the world, and here you are moaning about it like a spoiled kid. You certainly don't seem very happy in your country, Clete.