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Did you go back and read the Ai story? The Israelites, at God's command, faked running away from the army of Ai to allow the city to be taken. If that's not deceptive, what is it? I applaud your desire to maintain God's moral character, but somehow the story of Ai needs to fit into that...

Why is it ok for God to deceive the people of Ai, but not Judas? Didn't he have it coming to him?

Thanks for sharing that, ffree. But you can see that the ambush tactic God told them to use was a deception, right?

Beside @Clete's points, it's very difficult to keep satellites in such a configuration. And it makes the experiment seem possible while staying conveniently out of reach for anyone who's last name isn't Musk or Bezos. Forget using satellites, and do your experiment in your basement using...

Is manipulation always deception? If so (and I'm not sure I agree yet, as you haven't presented evidence for the claim), is deception always wrong? Is God being deceptive when he tells the Israelites to set up an ambush for the people of Ai? Joshua 8:2 (KJV) And thou shalt do to Ai and her king...

You seem to be getting desperate.

Challenge accepted. Immortal, invisible, creator of the heavens and the earth, God only wise. Proverbs 21:1 (KJV) The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Why is it sin? It wasn’t even a temptation for God to allow Satan to tempt Judas, was it?

Perhaps that’s all it is. The words translated “surnamed” are also sometimes translated “called”. Those words don’t exist in the Saul-to-Paul passage, but “called” is inserted by the translators. Cephas is the Aramaic word for the Greek “Peter”, which were interchangeable according to the...

I've admitted I can't find my position anywhere, but I've also shown you can't find yours in the bible, either. My point was for you to consider that Jesus had actually embarrassed Judas in front of his father, and possibly many other people. That wouldn't be manipulation, because Judas brought...

The apostles surnamed Barnabas. Jesus surnamed Peter and the sons of thunder, if I remember correctly. Who knows who surnamed Saul (“Paul”). In none of these cases do we transfer the surname to the actual fathers. Why should we presume to do it with Judas’s?

Here's another use of the word "surnamed", also by Luke: Acts 4:36 (KJV) And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, [and] of the country of Cyprus, It probably wasn't a "last name" as we usually think of such. Joses'...

Which is almost as much of a conjecture as mine.

Judas was only called Simon's son three times, that I found--all by John. We know some of the other disciples' father's names, like Zebedee (James and John), or Jonas (Simon Peter and Andrew). But not all. Since Judas had a "last name", his father's name wasn't necessary to distinguish from the...

I'm not for sure about it, but Judas' father's name was Simon, and they were at a Simon's house. John 12:4 (KJV) Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], which should betray him, Mark 14:3 (KJV) And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat...

That's pretty clear, thanks. I'm not trying to twist anything, I'd just like to make sure our language isn't confusing; see the title of the thread. In a previous post you defined the body's demise in terms of the person going to heaven, which I didn't quite expect. So if Paul talks about...

So you don't even think we die physically, except that we stop breathing?

Did you consider that the dinner that night was being hosted by Judas' father, Simon?

I'm not sure what you mean.

You don't think our flesh will be dead when our bodies are dead?