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annabenedetti said:

Seriously? You're basing Biden's legitimacy on his historical vote count?!

2020 was a historical turnout, the highest in 120 years, and Trump got the second most votes than any other candidate in history.

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Yes, exactly. And Trump elicited enthusiasm from his supporters. So his part made sense. Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters.

Every time Republicans have had boring candidates in the last 50+ years, they've lost. The exceptions: Bush Sr (1st time), who was riding on the enthusiasm left over from Reagan, and Bush Jr. (1st time) who was at least a little bit exciting (more than his dad), and up against the more boring Al Gore.

Gerald Ford--Loss
Bush Sr. (2nd time)--Loss
Bob Dole--Loss
John McCain--Loss
Mitt Romney--Loss

Dems are the same.
Jimmy Carter (2nd Time)--loss
Walter Mondale--Loss
Michael Dukakis--Loss
Al Gore--Loss
John Kerry--Loss
Hillary Clinton--Loss

(Jimmy Carter's first term is probably also an exception, but he was up against the more boring Gerald Ford, and riding the negative publicity of Watergate).

I wasn't a fan of either Bill Clinton or Obama, but they generated excitement on the Dem's side, compared to the Republican opponents.

annabenedetti said:

Kevin McCarthy Claims Nobody is Questioning Legitimacy of 2020 Election​

“I don’t think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election. I think that is all over with. We’re sitting here with the president today.”

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I guess even Republicans can stick their heads in the sand. No surprise there. There are plenty of people questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election, including all of us you are arguing with, here, the republicans in the Arizona legislature, the Michigan and New Hampshire legislatures, the state of Texas, and a bunch of other groups. If McCarthy doesn't count us, that's fine--he won't stick around too long.

Derf said:

Yes, exactly. And Trump elicited enthusiasm from his supporters. So his part made sense. Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters.

Every time Republicans have had boring candidates in the last 50+ years, they've lost. The exceptions: Bush Sr (1st time), who was riding on the enthusiasm left over from Reagan, and Bush Jr. (1st time) who was at least a little bit exciting (more than his dad), and up against the more boring Al Gore.

Gerald Ford--Loss
Bush Sr. (2nd time)--Loss
Bob Dole--Loss
John McCain--Loss
Mitt Romney--Loss

Dems are the same.
Jimmy Carter (2nd Time)--loss
Walter Mondale--Loss
Michael Dukakis--Loss
Al Gore--Loss
John Kerry--Loss
Hillary Clinton--Loss

(Jimmy Carter's first term is probably also an exception, but he was up against the more boring Gerald Ford, and riding the negative publicity of Watergate).

I wasn't a fan of either Bill Clinton or Obama, but they generated excitement on the Dem's side, compared to the Republican opponents.

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No democrat since Jimmy Carter has been openly supportive of Christian views, values, and influence in the government, and Jimmy Carter was badly affected by leftist socialist ideas. Republicans have been friendlier towards Christian views, values, and influence, making republicans generally more likely to lead America in the right direction.

marke said:

Only those with good sense and unbiased judgment know the democrats have never adequately explained away all the evidences pointing to their widespread massive criminal acts of voter fraud.

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Anyone with good sense and unbiased judgement would have been sceptical of the allegations of fraud to start with and even more so with the ongoing debacle that followed.

Derf said:

Yes, exactly. And Trump elicited enthusiasm from his supporters. So his part made sense. Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters.

Every time Republicans have had boring candidates in the last 50+ years, they've lost. The exceptions: Bush Sr (1st time), who was riding on the enthusiasm left over from Reagan, and Bush Jr. (1st time) who was at least a little bit exciting (more than his dad), and up against the more boring Al Gore.

Gerald Ford--Loss
Bush Sr. (2nd time)--Loss
Bob Dole--Loss
John McCain--Loss
Mitt Romney--Loss

Dems are the same.
Jimmy Carter (2nd Time)--loss
Walter Mondale--Loss
Michael Dukakis--Loss
Al Gore--Loss
John Kerry--Loss
Hillary Clinton--Loss

(Jimmy Carter's first term is probably also an exception, but he was up against the more boring Gerald Ford, and riding the negative publicity of Watergate).

I wasn't a fan of either Bill Clinton or Obama, but they generated excitement on the Dem's side, compared to the Republican opponents.

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Who are you to determine that Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters? I've seen gatherings for both Trump and Biden during the election run and you're simply talking rubbish. Biden may be boring to you personally and that's fine but you're hardly a mouthpiece for those who voted for him.

annabenedetti said:

Seriously? You're basing Biden's legitimacy on his historical vote count?!

2020 was a historical turnout, the highest in 120 years, and Trump got the second most votes than any other candidate in history.

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There was always going to be a far higher voter turnout in the 2020 election than 2016, that much was obvious and that applied to both parties.

marke said:

Democrats have been committing voter fraud for decades and in 2020 it was massive. No amount of cheerleading for the democrats will ever change that fact. Refusing to believe the evidence of voter fraud will never prove the democrats did not commit it. Resisting voting securities will never prove democrats don't want to commit voter fraud. Obstructing investigations into voter fraud will never prove democrats did not commit voter fraud. Front page news accounts of politicians convicted of voter fraud will never prove democrats don't commit voter fraud. Hundreds of individual confessions to democrat voter fraud will never prove democrats do not commit voter fraud. Lying about how ballots are disseminated, collected, submitted and counted will never prove democrats don't commit voter fraud. Locking republican observers out of democrat vote counting rooms will never prove democrats do not commit voter fraud.

And so forth.

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Then prove it. Otherwise this is just more bellyaching and empty assertion with a ton of subjective bias.

Derf said:

I guess even Republicans can stick their heads in the sand. No surprise there. There are plenty of people questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election, including all of us you are arguing with, here, the republicans in the Arizona legislature, the Michigan and New Hampshire legislatures, the state of Texas, and a bunch of other groups. If McCarthy doesn't count us, that's fine--he won't stick around too long.

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He used to tout the same as you. Now he's done an about turn. Why do you suppose that is?

ok doser said:

Yep

Always bin like that

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Always bin laden like that?

Arthur Brain said:

Who are you to determine that Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters?

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Have you seen the size of Biden's crowds?

Arthur Brain said:

Who are you to determine that Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters? I've seen gatherings for both Trump and Biden during the election run and you're simply talking rubbish. Biden may be boring to you personally and that's fine but you're hardly a mouthpiece for those who voted for him.

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Biden is exactly opposite of that who preceded him. Calm, empathetic, CHRISTIAN man who is *faithful* to his wife, family and loves his country.

Unlike former guy, he is mentally fit. As the legitimate leader of the US, I will continue to pray for him.

Boredom, insofar as Biden, means normality and calm.

Jefferson said:

Have you seen the size of Biden's crowds?

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Yep.

Arthur Brain said:

Yep.

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No you haven't because he can't draw crowds, only small gatherings.

Jefferson said:

No you haven't because he can't draw crowds, only small gatherings.

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Yes, he's lucky if there's half a dozen in attendance. This is lame Jefferson. I guess there were only 'small gatherings' celebrating his election win as well, right? You do also realize that crowd attendance isn't a signifier for candidate support as well, right? Clinton had bigger ones than Trump back in 2016...and that was before Covid also.

Arthur Brain said:

Yes, he's lucky if there's half a dozen in attendance. This is lame Jefferson. I guess there were only 'small gatherings' celebrating his election win as well, right? You do also realize that crowd attendance isn't a signifier for candidate support as well, right? Clinton had bigger ones than Trump back in 2016...and that was before Covid also.

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Traffic accidents draw gawkers as well.

Arthur Brain said:

Anyone with good sense and unbiased judgement would have been sceptical of the allegations of fraud to start with and even more so with the ongoing debacle that followed.

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I am not like those without knowledge of past fraud, which probably gives me an advantage over those who are ignorant.

Arthur Brain said:

Who are you to determine that Biden elicited complete boredom from his supporters? I've seen gatherings for both Trump and Biden during the election run and you're simply talking rubbish. Biden may be boring to you personally and that's fine but you're hardly a mouthpiece for those who voted for him.

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Trump was experiencing tens of thousands of supporters at his campaign rallies while Biden was lucky to get a few hundred. It does not take a rocket scientist to understand those facts.

Arthur Brain said:

There was always going to be a far higher voter turnout in the 2020 election than 2016, that much was obvious and that applied to both parties.

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Even those states with voter IDs saw huge turnouts in black voters, proving the democrat lie that blacks are too handicapped to get IDs was a lie born in hell.

Arthur Brain said:

Then prove it. Otherwise this is just more bellyaching and empty assertion with a ton of subjective bias.

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I cannot give you in one post the hundreds of proofs of democrat voter fraud in elections over the last 100 years that I have on file, so let me just start with one, and then I can post over and over again for maybe five or six hundred times until I give you everything I have.

https://www.rnla.org/vote_fraud_likely_gone_on_here_for_years_in_alabama - An Alabama grand jury indicted the girlfriend of Dothan commissioner Amos Newsome on 23 counts of vote fraud in the campaign to re-elect Newsome last August. After absentee ballots favored Newsome by a 119-5 margin, his opponent filed a complaint, because Newsome won by only 14 votes. Prompted by the wide discrepancy, the county sheriff conducted a thorough investigation over several weeks, interviewing more than 100 witnesses.
The alleged vote fraud scheme includes two additional women besides Newsom’s girlfriend. The first woman is charged with 20 counts of vote fraud, the second is charged with 10 counts.
Sheriff Andy Hughes says that, “voter fraud has likely gone on here for years, usually in the same districts.”
The three women are charged under a state statute that criminalizes changing absentee ballot votes of another, voting more than once by absentee ballot in the same election, voting on behalf of another, and soliciting illegal absentee voting. Furthermore, “Any person who willfully aids any person unlawfully to vote an absentee ballot, any person who knowingly and unlawfully votes an absentee ballot, and any voter who votes both an absentee and a regular ballot at any election shall be similarly punished.”

Arthur Brain said:

He used to tout the same as you. Now he's done an about turn. Why do you suppose that is?

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What causes someone to go from believing there was fraud to believing there was no fraud? I don't know about those with problems of ignorance, bias, or changing political motivations, but I can also myself go from believing there was fraud to believing there was no fraud if democrats ever encourage hundreds of solid trustworthy investigations into alleged democrat voter fraud and those investigations provide irrefutable proof that no fraud was committed.