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  • Originally posted by intojoy View Post
    I appreciate that LH
    But I can't accept the conclusions.

    “Behold, I am of small account; what shall I answer you? I lay my hand on my mouth. I have spoken once, and I will not answer; twice, but I will proceed no further.” (*Job‬ *40‬:*4-5‬ ESV)
    What do you think that means?
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    • genesis 3:14 “Because you have done this,
      Cursed are you more than all cattle,

      (because you have done this).


      gen 3:17 (Because) you have listened to the voice of your wife.

      2 kings 13:19 So the man of God was angry with him and said, "You should have struck five or six times, then you would have struck Aram until you would have destroyed it. But now you shall strike Aram only three times.

      God throughout scripture responds to mans decisions. the boundary of freewill is the end of the ages and judgement. within that boundary God responds and rewards/blesses according to mens actions.

      passion, relationship, desire, worship and praise are all contingent upon
      mens responding in choice.
      these types of responses are not relevant and pleasing to God (if) man was preprogrammed in every thing and detail he would do.
      otherwise God is would be making robots and stringing puppets to worship Him
      and How could God be pleased with that.

      matthew 25:21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your [a]master.’
      God responds to mans faithfulness/stewardship
      rewarding him according to his stewardship.
      If The Word rewards him according to his work there is the possibility of bad stewardship.
      why reward or bless anyone if they have already been programmed in all they do. Silly.

      revelation 3:21 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if (anyone hears) My voice and (opens the door), I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

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      • Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
        What do you think that means?

        Based upon what God is able to do in Genesis 1:1, two things are revealed about God. First: God is self-sufficient. There is no need for anyone else or anything else. There is a common misconception that the reason God created man is because He needed fellowship. God does not “need” anything; by virtue of being God, He is totally self-sufficient. There is no need of anyone else or anything else. Second, Genesis 1:1 shows that God is eternal and unchangeable. The first three words in the Hebrew text, In the beginning, created, and God, are the foundation of all theology. God is self-existent. He is unknowable except where He chooses to reveal Himself, and He is answerable to no one.

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        • Originally posted by Word based mystic View Post
          I didn't say He was a created being. putting words in the mouth. please dont



          Col. 1:15-18: “He is the image of the invisible God, (((the firstborn over all creation))). (For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth), visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.



          He is the physical image of God in this world.



          as to foreknowledge.



          genesis 6:6 is one of many scriptures that show active disappointment and or surprise. "The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart."



          Why would the Word/creator grieve or be sorry if He already had foreknowledge?



          luke 7:9 Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled at him, and turned and said to the crowd that was following Him, “I say to you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith.

          (((Jesus marveled))). and in searching for faith had not ((found)) any of greater faith.

          obvious limited foreknowledge as he deals with men.



          mark 13:32 But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.



          The word/creator is saddened and or angered at man in certain instances as well as marvels and searches for a humble heart.



          to be relational and have these kind of above emotions and searching thoughts and actions allows for and expects self limiting foreknowledge, so that The Word/firstborn of all creation can actually have emotional interaction with His children.



          anger and other such emotions and actions as searching would not be necessary or be expressed if the Word had total foreknowledge of all activity or things that will happen.



          only the Father whom is Spirit Knows all things



          Also

          1 corinthians 10-11 relates

          for the Spirit (((searches))) all things, (even) the (depths) of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

          Why would you think to know why God grieved in his heart?

          Do you expect to -

          For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (*Genesis‬ *3‬:*5‬ ESV)

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          • Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
            Could you elaborate, and be a bit more clear? Please.

            God is not limited by, or to, anything outside of Himself. He the power to limit Himself, including His knowledge. He can also limit other things by which He effectively limits what He can do. In order to do things outside those limits He must first change the other things.
            Difference between Process Theology and Open Theology

            Although, to me, some of these differentiations seem synthetic and arbitrary.

            Look at my 'OMNI' Sig below. Which are true to you as an Open Theist, and which aren't?

            In a crude and general way: Open Theism 'tries' to affirm all of them while process theologians do not.

            Open Theists do minimize the Omni's but don't generally reject them out of hand.
            My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
            Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
            Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
            Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
            No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
            Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

            ? Yep

            Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

            ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

            Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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            • Originally posted by intojoy View Post
              Why would you think to know why God grieved in his heart?

              Do you expect to -

              For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (*Genesis‬ *3‬:*5‬ ESV)
              It is enough to see through scripture that God grieves and it is related to our choices and rebellious thoughts and sins.

              ephesians 4:30 so that it will give grace to (those who hear). 30 Do not (grieve) the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

              One liner questions do not in any way answer or refute anything.
              It simply shows you have little to contribute or/either
              you prevaricate.

              You ignore the scriptures i present
              which you asked me earlier to bring out.

              genesis 6:7 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

              Why would God grieve already knowing the outcome and details of what man would individually and corporately do.

              God desiring free will worship and relationships with love and passion grieved because the outcome He looked forward to was now going to be necessitated to wait thousands of years.

              1 timothy 2:4 who (((desires))) all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,…

              (desires) is different from commands or robotically made all men to be saved.

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              • Originally posted by musterion View Post
                I quit reading your postings when you made it clear you wouldn't discuss the analogy of lungs/faith, which YOU initially brought up. Do so, then I'll be happy to instruct you on why you're wrong on Romans 9.
                Originally posted by musterion View Post
                You first. Then I will.

                Just to make sure we're clear on the question:

                Can a just, non-lying God not give "lungs" to those He reprobates, then damn them specifically for refusing to "breathe?"
                So much for you keeping your word on Romans 9. What was it you called me again . . . a liar? You should of left your stone in the sand.
                —Romans 11:36


                http://therantingreformer.com
                https://columbiaseminary.academia.edu/BrianOrr

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                • Didn't lie. Was just waiting to see if you were still interested after your embarrassingly honest blunder.

                  Post the exact concise question you want answered.
                  Last edited by musterion; April 2nd, 2015, 03:40 AM.
                  "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                  Terence Mc Lean

                  [most will be very surprised]


                  Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                  By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                  • Originally posted by musterion View Post
                    Post the exact concise question you want answered.
                    He pointed out questions, but no response to my answers.
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • I asked him just one question, so for me I'd like him to focus his complaint into just one question as well.
                      "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                      Terence Mc Lean

                      [most will be very surprised]


                      Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                      By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                      • Originally posted by musterion View Post
                        I asked him just one question, so for me I'd like him to focus his complaint into just one question as well.
                        What was your question?
                        Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                        E≈mc2
                        "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                        "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                        -Bob B.

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                        • Lungs.
                          "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                          Terence Mc Lean

                          [most will be very surprised]


                          Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                          By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                          • Originally posted by intojoy View Post
                            Based upon what God is able to do in Genesis 1:1, two things are revealed about God. First: God is self-sufficient. There is no need for anyone else or anything else. There is a common misconception that the reason God created man is because He needed fellowship. God does not “need” anything; by virtue of being God, He is totally self-sufficient. There is no need of anyone else or anything else. Second, Genesis 1:1 shows that God is eternal and unchangeable. The first three words in the Hebrew text, In the beginning, created, and God, are the foundation of all theology. God is self-existent. He is unknowable except where He chooses to reveal Himself, and He is answerable to no one.
                            How does any of this paint God as unchangeable?
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                            • Originally posted by musterion View Post
                              Lungs.
                              I guess yes.
                              Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                              E≈mc2
                              "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                              "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                              -Bob B.

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                              • Originally posted by musterion View Post
                                Didn't lie. Was just waiting to see if you were still interested after your embarrassingly honest blunder.

                                Post the exact concise question you want answered.
                                You were supposed to show me how my interpretation of Romans 9 was wrong.

                                http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...&postcount=147
                                —Romans 11:36


                                http://therantingreformer.com
                                https://columbiaseminary.academia.edu/BrianOrr

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