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  • #31
    Yoo hoo...Arsie...fair questions pending your attention.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by musterion View Post
      Arsie.

      What need now for any priest if the one true Sacrifice was made and accepted by God?
      Moose-Tea...

      We are a peculiar nation, this Christian Faith - And the world itself needs the Priestly Ministry that our Faith provides for the world...

      Paul fervently desired that we should become like himself:

      Being:

      Those who are last,
      As it were appointed to death:
      A spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
      Fools for Christ's sake,
      Weak,
      Despised.

      We both hunger, and thirst,
      Naked,
      Buffeted,

      Having no certain dwelling place;
      We labour, working with our own hands:
      Being reviled, we bless;
      Being persecuted, we suffer it:
      Being defamed, we intreat:
      The filth of the world,
      The offscouring of all things
      Unto this very day.


      A peculiar priestly nation indeed!

      And while Paul is describing those called to be Apostles, lest we think we are to be preening in our own self-glory in Christ, he then writes:

      In Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.
      Wherefore I beseech you:
      Be ye followers of me.

      So to those of you who embrace Paul and despise the followers of Christ who are merely Jews, I must earnestly ask this:

      Does YOUR life LOOK LIKE the life Paul describes above?

      For this is Paul's teaching of his Gospel...

      The same Gospel as that of Jesus Christ on the Mount...

      Arsenios
      Last edited by Arsenios; November 26th, 2015, 03:38 PM.
      Arsenios

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      • #33
        Originally posted by musterion View Post
        Yoo Hoo Arsie.
        Are you mocking me?

        Mark 10:34
        And they shall mock him,
        and shall scourge him,
        and shall spit upon him,
        and shall kill him:


        Are you warming your way up to scourging and spitting and killing?

        I mean, you are siding with a kinda' rough crowd there...

        The mock, scourge, spit upon, and kill crowd...

        Nasty little suckers...

        Not to mention malodorous when they move...

        Unworthy of your joining together with in your crusade against Christian arrogance...

        A.
        Arsenios

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Arsenios View Post
          Moose-Tea...

          We are a peculiar nation, this Christian Faith - And the world itself needs the Priestly Ministry that our Faith provides for the world...

          Paul fervently desired that we should become like himself:

          Being:

          Those who are last,
          As it were appointed to death:
          A spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
          Fools for Christ's sake,
          Weak,
          Despised.

          We both hunger, and thirst,
          Naked,
          Buffeted,

          Having no certain dwelling place;
          We labour, working with our own hands:
          Being reviled, we bless;
          Being persecuted, we suffer it:
          Being defamed, we intreat:
          The filth of the world,
          The offscouring of all things
          Unto this very day.


          A peculiar priestly nation indeed!

          And while Paul is describing those called to be Apostles, lest we think we are to be preening in our own self-glory in Christ, he then writes:

          In Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.
          Wherefore I beseech you:
          Be ye followers of me.

          So to those of you who embrace Paul and despise the followers of Christ who are merely Jews, I must earnestly ask this:

          Does YOUR life LOOK LIKE the life Paul describes above?

          For this is Paul's teaching of his Gospel...

          The same Gospel as that of Jesus Christ on the Mount...

          Arsenios
          Originally posted by Arsenios View Post
          Are you mocking me?

          Mark 10:34
          And they shall mock him,
          and shall scourge him,
          and shall spit upon him,
          and shall kill him:


          Are you warming your way up to scourging and spitting and killing?

          I mean, you are siding with a kinda' rough crowd there...

          The mock, scourge, spit upon, and kill crowd...

          Nasty little suckers...

          Not to mention malodorous when they move...

          Unworthy of your joining together with in your crusade against Christian arrogance...

          A.
          Calm down.

          You did not address my question, but I will address your reply.

          1. Paul nowhere calls members of the Body of Christ "priests." Ambassadors, yes, himself and his associates...ambassadors bringing good news. But priests? No, and there's a good reason for that.

          2. A priest is a necessary mediator, by means of sacrifice or rite, between God and man when man cannot approach God on his own.

          3. However, the one saving Sacrifice is forever done, never to be repeated nor "represented" as billions blasphemously believe.

          4. Now think: what need could there possibly be for a priest during a dispensation where the Sacrifice is not only completed but all anyone need do to avail himself to that Sacrifice is to simply trust, without works of any kind, the good news that it was done for his sin...when the only human intermediary isn't an intermediary but just someone who shares the Word? Answer: in such a case, there is no need for priests and it's blasphemous to say there IS a need for priests.

          5. That is why use of hiereus jumps from Acts straight to Hebrews, clean over Paul's epistles. There are no human priests today; no need for them. Anyone trusting in a "priest" is deceived. Anyone claiming to be a "priest" is an enemy of the Cross and a "minister of righteousness" (2 Cor 11:15).

          Now for my original question: where is Israel referred to as the Body of Christ?
          "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
          Terence Mc Lean

          [most will be very surprised]


          Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
          By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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          • #35
            You know what, don't bother reading the above because replying to it honestly and cogently is beyond you. My response to your emotionalism is:



            Your thesis = Alderaan.
            Last edited by musterion; November 26th, 2015, 05:40 PM.
            "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
            Terence Mc Lean

            [most will be very surprised]


            Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
            By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

            Comment


            • #36
              Originally posted by Arsenios View Post
              Moose-Tea...

              We are a peculiar nation, this Christian Faith - And the world itself needs the Priestly Ministry that our Faith provides for the world...

              Paul fervently desired that we should become like himself:

              Being:

              Those who are last,
              As it were appointed to death:
              A spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
              Fools for Christ's sake,
              Weak,
              Despised.

              We both hunger, and thirst,
              Naked,
              Buffeted,

              Having no certain dwelling place;
              We labour, working with our own hands:
              Being reviled, we bless;
              Being persecuted, we suffer it:
              Being defamed, we intreat:
              The filth of the world,
              The offscouring of all things
              Unto this very day.


              A peculiar priestly nation indeed!

              And while Paul is describing those called to be Apostles, lest we think we are to be preening in our own self-glory in Christ, he then writes:

              In Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.
              Wherefore I beseech you:
              Be ye followers of me.

              So to those of you who embrace Paul and despise the followers of Christ who are merely Jews, I must earnestly ask this:

              Does YOUR life LOOK LIKE the life Paul describes above?

              For this is Paul's teaching of his Gospel...

              The same Gospel as that of Jesus Christ on the Mount...

              Arsenios
              I've been trying all my life to be hungry and naked and poor and scourged, defamed, reviled, with no certain dwelling place and persecuted. Nobody will force that upon me, so I can't be just like Paul !

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              • #37
                Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                I've been trying all my life to be hungry and naked and poor and scourged, defamed, reviled, with no certain dwelling place and persecuted. Nobody will force that upon me, so I can't be just like Paul !
                He's just flailing.
                "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                Terence Mc Lean

                [most will be very surprised]


                Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

                Comment


                • #38
                  Originally posted by musterion View Post
                  You know what, don't bother reading the above because replying to it honestly and cogently is beyond you. My response to your emotionalism is:



                  Your thesis = Alderaan.
                  I appreciate your humility...

                  A.
                  Arsenios

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Arsenios View Post
                    I appreciate your humility...

                    A.
                    and candor

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by musterion View Post
                      Calm down.
                      I was simply heading you away from a bad crowd of mockers, strikers, and murderers...

                      You did not address my question, but I will address your reply.
                      Name-calling distracts...

                      1. Paul nowhere calls members of the Body of Christ "priests." Ambassadors, yes, himself and his associates...ambassadors bringing good news. But priests? No, and there's a good reason for that.
                      First Paul wrote his epistles...
                      Then the Evangellists wrote the first three Gospels...
                      Then the other epistles were written...
                      Then John wrote the fourth Gospel...
                      Then John wrote Revelation...

                      John wrote at the end of the first century...
                      Revelation speaks of the Christian Priesthood...
                      Rev 1:6
                      And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
                      to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.
                      Amen.

                      So my question is: In what are we kings and priests unto God?

                      Or are you going to play dodge-ball and say that John was writing to the Jews? When the Jews were already destroyed as a people and scattered... And thereby fail to give John what you give Paul from many decades earlier when he encountered Christ?

                      Luke, the Beloved Physician and Evangellist, was a disciple of Paul...

                      Surely you will cede that anything found in his Gospel is not written just for the Jews?

                      2. A priest is a necessary mediator, by means of sacrifice or rite, between God and man when man cannot approach God on his own.
                      Do you seriously think that a man can approach God on his own? The simple truth is that man cannot approach God at all - God must approach man in order for there to be a relationship... No man can provide an approach to God for another man...

                      3. However, the one saving Sacrifice is forever done, never to be repeated nor "represented" as billions blasphemously believe.
                      Paul disagrees:
                      1Cor 11:26
                      For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup,
                      ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


                      Matthew agrees with Paul:
                      Matthew 26:26
                      And as they were eating,
                      Jesus took bread,
                      and blessed it,
                      and brake it,
                      and gave it
                      to the disciples,
                      and said,
                      "Take, eat; this is my body."


                      And Paul agrees with Matthew:

                      1Cor 11:24
                      And when He had given thanks,
                      He brake it, and said,
                      "Take, eat: this is my body,
                      which is broken for you:
                      this be ye doing
                      in remembrance of me.


                      All one Gospel, you see...

                      This is how the faithful are instructed by Christ and by Paul to partake regularly and often of the eternal Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross...

                      4. Now think: what need could there possibly be for a priest during a dispensation where the Sacrifice is not only completed but all anyone need do to avail himself to that Sacrifice is to simply trust, without works of any kind, the good news that it was done for his sin...when the only human intermediary isn't an intermediary but just someone who shares the Word? Answer: in such a case, there is no need for priests and it's blasphemous to say there IS a need for priests.
                      The need is the instruction to do so by Christ, Matthew, and Paul...

                      To name but a few...

                      5. That is why use of hiereus jumps from Acts straight to Hebrews, clean over Paul's epistles. There are no human priests today; no need for them. Anyone trusting in a "priest" is deceived. Anyone claiming to be a "priest" is an enemy of the Cross and a "minister of righteousness" (2 Cor 11:15).
                      The author of Acts is a disciple of Paul...

                      And Paul is the author of Hebrews...

                      And John of Revelation...

                      The Nation called Christian is a Royal Priesthood...

                      A peculiar nation indeed...

                      Now for my original question: where is Israel referred to as the Body of Christ?
                      That was my question too...

                      Arsenios
                      Arsenios

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                        I've been trying all my life to be hungry and naked and poor and scourged, defamed, reviled, with no certain dwelling place and persecuted. Nobody will force that upon me, so I can't be just like Paul !
                        Matt 11:12
                        And from the days of John the Baptist until now
                        the Kingdom of Heaven is suffering violence,
                        and the violent take it by force.

                        I mean, waiting around for someone to force persecutions on me is not my idea of "trying all my life"...

                        What did Paul mean by this passage and his injunction to "be ye followers of me" in this manner of life...

                        How many people do you know who when cursed by another, bless that other? It is not natural... It is peculiar to do so...

                        Is "redeeming the times" a priestly function?

                        Arsenios
                        Arsenios

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                          and candor


                          A.
                          Arsenios

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by musterion View Post

                            My response to your emotionalism is:


                            I appreciate your murderous non-emotionality (NOT)...

                            I did warn you about the connection between mockery and murder...

                            Jes' sayin'...

                            A.
                            Arsenios

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                            • #44
                              Thanks for reinforcing the point that you are dishonest and don't know what you're talking about, vain babbler.
                              "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                              Terence Mc Lean

                              [most will be very surprised]


                              Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                              By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by musterion View Post
                                Thanks for reinforcing the point that
                                _you
                                ____are dishonest
                                ________and
                                ____don't know what you're talking about,
                                _vain babbler.
                                Flattery will get you nowhere...

                                I mean, those are the least of mine iniquities...

                                Your Arsie Yoo hoo...
                                Last edited by Arsenios; November 27th, 2015, 10:35 AM.
                                Arsenios

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