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  • #31
    Originally posted by Danoh View Post
    You are hypocrites through and through.

    This exact history is in every thread on this forum for any one who is a bit honest to see the fact of.

    Drop dead! The movement is better off without your kind.
    Danoh, I'm not sure that your condescending attitude is any better than Heir's curt one. Why do you take this so personally? This "you and yours" and "your kind" is just plain silly. When STP makes a comment about there only being 3percent of the people that see what they see, why let it bother you when you're comfortable with what you see....different though it may be.

    I see this like looking at a line....linear, or looking at a box with height, depth and width. It depends on which angle you're looking at it from.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
      For He is our peace who hath made both one [Jews and Gentiles] and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us

      Having abolished in His flesh [at the cross] he enmity, even the of commandments contained in ordinances for to make in Himself of twain one new man. So making peace

      And that H might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross having slain the enmity thereby.
      Totten, it says "by the Cross" not "at" the Cross.

      In other words, the Cross has made possible Paul's preaching among the Gentiles.

      And his preaching among the Gentiles did not begin until a point after Israel was concluded having continued in the uncircumcision of their fathers - against all three members of the Godhead now - Acts 4-7; Acts 9; Gal. 1, 1 Thess. 2.

      Study out the Gentile assemblies that resulted in the area of Tarsus of Cilicia after Paul headed there in Acts 9.

      This is why Barnabas went and brought Paul to Antioch in Acts 11 - because he was already the Apostle of the Gentiles with Gentile assemblies under him before Antioch - and all this was after Acts 7.

      You see these assemblies in Acts 15.

      None of that was "at" the Cross. Rather "by" it.

      Ephesians 2 is Romans 1-3 just as Romans 15 is Ephesians 3.

      All of which are AFTER Romans 3:21's " BUT NOW..."

      This was made possible "by" the Cross, but did not begin until Romans 3:21's "But now..."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
        Danoh, I'm not sure that your condescending attitude is any better than Heir's curt one. Why do you take this so personally? This "you and yours" and "your kind" is just plain silly. When STP makes a comment about there only being 3percent of the people that see what they see, why let it bother you when you're comfortable with what you see....different though it may be.

        I see this like looking at a line....linear, or looking at a box with height, depth and width. It depends on which angle you're looking at it from.
        I did not take his 3% comment personally.

        For I in fact agree with him that their number is that small.

        heir has said otherwise elsewhere.

        Fact is I am not taking any of this personally; I am simply calling things as I have continued to see them play out in them.

        Fact is, I do not see you as one of them, nor in their 3%.

        I doubt they do.

        You're better off - theirs is the very heresy Paul speaks against in 1 Corinthians 11.

        Now watch some fool not properly study out what Paul meant by that and conclude I am calling them heretics.

        No, GD, nothing personal here. That'd be a good waste of emotional energy to my own emotional detriment.

        Just calling things as I have continued to see them.

        The "you and yours" is inescapable - the pac mentality of some on here.

        You just watch how this thread heats up - as the pac smells what they appear to live for - conflict with anyone who differs with their view or their actions against anyone who says so.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Danoh View Post
          I did not take his 3% comment personally.

          For I in fact agree with him that their number is that small.

          heir has said otherwise elsewhere.

          Fact is I am not taking any of this personally; I am simply calling things as I have continued to see them play out in them.

          Fact is, I do not see you as one of them, nor in their 3%.

          I doubt they do.

          You're better off - theirs is the very heresy Paul speaks against in 1 Corinthians 11.

          Now watch some fool not properly study out what Paul meant by that and conclude I am calling them heretics.

          No, GD, nothing personal here. That'd be a good waste of emotional energy to my own emotional detriment.

          Just calling things as I have continued to see them.

          The "you and yours" is inescapable - the pac mentality of some on here.

          You just watch how this thread heats up - as the pac smells what they appear to live for - conflict with anyone who differs with their view or their actions against anyone who says so.
          Yeah right. "Drop dead" isn't taking it personally. Your refusal to admit you take it personally is a big part of the problem.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
            Yeah right. "Drop dead" isn't taking it personally. Your refusal to admit you take it personally is a big part of the problem.
            You forget I said that to Jerry as well, may he be well.

            Just means "talk to the hand" "get lost with that" "go try it on someone else."

            Just means get lost. Besides, if you are right in this mind read of yours would I not be taking your words to me about this personally as well.

            I never have, and you know I have continued exchanging with you during our own few rough spots.

            But, if that is what you believe, well; you're still fine by me, so have at it, if that makes you happy. A favorite of mine you remain o set in your ways one.

            Please, have the last word on me.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
              For He is our peace who hath made both one [Jews and Gentiles] and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us

              Having abolished in His flesh [at the cross] he enmity, even the of commandments contained in ordinances for to make in Himself of twain one new man. So making peace

              And that H might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross having slain the enmity thereby.
              It does not say "Jews and Gentiles" (as that is not who the middle wall of partition was between) anymore than it says "at the cross".

              Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

              Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

              Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

              Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
              2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

              Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Danoh View Post
                You forget I said that to Jerry as well, may he be well.

                Just means "talk to the hand" "get lost with that" "go try it on someone else."

                Just means get lost. Besides, if you are right in this mind read of yours would I not be taking your words to me about this personally as well.

                I never have, and you know I have continued exchanging with you during our own few rough spots.

                But, if that is what you believe, well; you're still fine by me, so have at it, if that makes you happy. A favorite of mine you remain o set in your ways one.

                Please, have the last word on me.
                You don't have to participate in this thread. In fact, please take your drama somewhere else. Open up your own thread talking about divisions and you can talk to your heart's content, but please stop doing it here. This thread is about the "both" in the "one body by the cross".
                2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

                Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by heir View Post
                  It does not say "Jews and Gentiles" (as that is not who the middle wall of partition was between) anymore than it says "at the cross".

                  Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

                  Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

                  Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

                  Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
                  Who do you understand the middle wall of partition was between and on what basis?

                  For the enmity between God and men was now with both Jew and Gentile, on man's part of the equation...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                    Danoh, I'm not sure that your condescending attitude is any better than Heir's curt one. Why do you take this so personally? This "you and yours" and "your kind" is just plain silly. When STP makes a comment about there only being 3percent of the people that see what they see, why let it bother you when you're comfortable with what you see....different though it may be.

                    I see this like looking at a line....linear, or looking at a box with height, depth and width. It depends on which angle you're looking at it from.
                    Good post G

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by heir View Post
                      It does not say "Jews and Gentiles" (as that is not who the middle wall of partition was between) anymore than it says "at the cross".

                      Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

                      Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

                      Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

                      Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
                      He is our peace who has made both [Jew and Gentiles] one and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us, having abolished in His flesh [by the cross] the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.

                      For to make in Himself [jew and Gentile] one new man, so making peace.

                      And that He might reconcile both [Jew and Gentile] in one body unto God by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Danoh View Post
                        Totten, it says "by the Cross" not "at" the Cross.

                        In other words, the Cross has made possible Paul's preaching among the Gentiles.

                        And his preaching among the Gentiles did not begin until a point after Israel was concluded having continued in the uncircumcision of their fathers - against all three members of the Godhead now - Acts 4-7; Acts 9; Gal. 1, 1 Thess. 2.

                        Study out the Gentile assemblies that resulted in the area of Tarsus of Cilicia after Paul headed there in Acts 9.

                        This is why Barnabas went and brought Paul to Antioch in Acts 11 - because he was already the Apostle of the Gentiles with Gentile assemblies under him before Antioch - and all this was after Acts 7.

                        You see these assemblies in Acts 15.

                        None of that was "at" the Cross. Rather "by" it.

                        Ephesians 2 is Romans 1-3 just as Romans 15 is Ephesians 3.

                        All of which are AFTER Romans 3:21's " BUT NOW..."

                        This was made possible "by" the Cross, but did not begin until Romans 3:21's "But now..."
                        Have it your way. By the cross, not any time after. And the matter was revealed to the apostles and prophets when they gathered to question Peter for fellowshipping with Gentiles.

                        Paul was brought into by Barnabas to a Jew/Gentile church at Antioch.

                        I am the first to admit that the Jerusalem crowd were totally inept and incapable of carrying the church forward to the Gentiles.

                        Paul's call and ministry [dispensation] was vital. But that does not alter the fact we Gentiles are brought into the commonwealth of Israel, made fellow citizens with them, co-heirs of their promises, grafted into their olive tree.

                        If you lop off the Jews then with who are we fellow citizens with?...it is THEIR commonwealth, who are we co-heirs and partakers with? the promises belong to them, The olive into which we are grafted is theirs.

                        And this is just what we find for you say these books [containing the promises] are not for us....the Amillennialists say exactly the same, they also lop off the Jews.

                        The only things that are lopped off are the law of commandments and ordinances...THAT is why Paul is so crucial to us, that is why he is OUR apostle.

                        It was the separation that was made when Peter withdraw from the Gentiles that got Paul so incensed....but now YOU are separating from Peter, there must be no separation if the gospel is to be preserved IN IT'S FULNESS for us.

                        ....only we are made FULL partakers without having to obey commandments
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                          Yeah right. "Drop dead" isn't taking it personally. Your refusal to admit you take it personally is a big part of the problem.
                          Today could be the day. I'm willing rather to depart and be with the Lord.
                          Originally posted by Interplanner
                          They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                          Originally posted by Interplanner
                          You're too literal to get it.
                          Originally posted by Interplanner
                          The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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                          • #43
                            Group One:

                            Acts 13
                            26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

                            Jews and Gentiles who feared the one true God.



                            Group Two:

                            Acts 19
                            28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

                            Pagan Gentiles.



                            What separated these two groups during Acts?:


                            Acts 15
                            19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

                            20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


                            Commandments contained in ordinances.




                            Very simple.

                            During Acts- Paul was sent to Jews/Gentiles in the promises.
                            Post Acts- Paul's message is sent even to Gentiles who were outside the promises.


                            Originally posted by Interplanner
                            They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                            Originally posted by Interplanner
                            You're too literal to get it.
                            Originally posted by Interplanner
                            The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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                            • #44
                              During Acts, Paul went to the synagogue and reasoned with Jews and Greeks from the prophets.

                              He could show the God fearing Gentile that they were in line for a blessing, from the prophets.
                              He could show the pagan Gentile only that they were due a curse, from the prophets.

                              Post Acts, Gen 12:1-3 (KJV) is no longer in play, as Israel is cast away. This levels the field for everyone, including the pagan Gentile.
                              Originally posted by Interplanner
                              They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                              Originally posted by Interplanner
                              You're too literal to get it.
                              Originally posted by Interplanner
                              The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Danoh View Post
                                Yep. And that is your perogative until you see otherwise.

                                And seeing otherwise boils down to one's approach to studying a thing out.

                                It is obvious to me that you and yours study these things out differently than how I do, for example.

                                heir speaks her mind only to turn around and easily take offence when others do.

                                Some of you support this one sided directness nonsense on her part.

                                Fact is your approach is much like how the 28ers study a thing out.

                                THIS is why you hold to their being two groups within Paul's ministery.

                                But instead of remaining open to exploring the soundness of a thing, you ignore doing so, while she, on her part of this, gets irate as her reaction.

                                In this, you and yours behave towards anyone who does not hold this view of yours much like the cults that GM is always turning around and pointing his own guilty finger at.

                                So you and yours just go right ahead and get all irate in your duplicity.

                                Irate is what you guys live for - it is the only time this supposed Mid-Acts forum comes to life - because you have no respect for the rights of others to voice their difference in understanding.

                                Not one of you supported that video I posted about that young girl who had come to terms with the Mystery.

                                A child - you couldn't set aside your hypocrisy just for a moment that you might support a child in her new found freedom.

                                You are hypocrites through and through.

                                This exact history is in every thread on this forum for any one who is a bit honest to see the fact of.

                                Drop dead! The movement is better off without your kind.
                                In all things, charity?
                                "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                                Terence Mc Lean

                                [most will be very surprised]


                                Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                                By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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