Jerry Shugart
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Then why did Paul name it alongside other sins?:
"But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth" (Col.3:8).
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Then why did Paul name it alongside other sins?:
Of course, what Jerry means by his assertion that "No, this is not a moot question because....the Jews who lived under the law had to believe and do works" - who have been dead for some two thousand years now, are actually vampires - they are still with us - so this issue still matters.
What a bone head, this Jerry-at-trick blow hard is.
Now the bonehead - Jerry Blowhard - has really gone and done it - Big Time!
Mark 3:
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
glorydaz
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opcorn:
That's cute, sis, I was just having some pop corn!
Goes great with poking fun at blow hards, lol
Jerry Shugart
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You are out of control and obviously in need of professional help.
I will no longer respond to anything new which you say because my remarks just make your condition worse.
I pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that you will seek help.
glorydaz
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It's as good as watching the three stooges when he keeps putting up that one quote from you and repeats and repeats his same little mantra prayer that you seek help.....sorta like the heathen do, huh?
More like what would be tyrants conclude when their attempts are fought against - they right off conclude their would be prey has something wrong with them - "the nerve of such would be prey; taking issue with the would be tyrant's attempt to step on their neck; how dare they fight back - they need professional help!"
Talk about "family" to stay away from, lol
For your studying pleasure:
| Classical scholar and Roman historian Colin Hemer chronicles Luke’s accuracy as a historian in his landmark book, The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History. Hemer identifies eighty-four facts in the last sixteen chapters of Acts that have been confirmed by historical and archeological research: 1. the natural crossing between correctly named ports (Acts 13:4-5) 2. the proper port (Perga) along the direct destination of a ship crossing from Cyprus (13:13) 3. the proper location of Lycaonia (Acts 14:6) 4. the unusual but correct declension of the name Lystra (14:6) 5. the correct language spoke in Lystra—Lycaonian (14:11) 6. to god known to be so associated-Jupiter and Mercurious (14:12) 7. the proper port, Attalia, which returning travelers would use (14:25) 8. the correct order of approach to Derbe and then Lystra from the Cilician Gates (16:1, cf. 15:41) 9. the proper form of the name Troas (16:8) 10. the place of a conspicuous sailors’ landmark, Samothrace (16:11) 11. the proper description of Philippi as a Roman colony (16:12) 12. the right location of the river (Gangites) near Philippi (16:13) 13. the proper association of Thyatira as a center of dyeing (16:14) 14. correct designations for the magistrates of the colony (16:22) 15. the proper locations (Amphipolis and Apollonia) where travelers would spend successive nights on this journey (17:1) 16. the presence of a synagogue in Thessalonica (17:1) 17. the proper term “politrarchs” used for the magistrates there (17:6) 18. the correct implication that sea travel is a most convenient way of reaching Athens, with the favoring east winds of summer sailing (14:14-15) 19. the abundant idols in Athens (17:16) 20. the reference to the synagogue in Athens (17:17) 21. the depiction of the Athenian life of philosophical debate in the Agora (17:17) 22. the use of the correct Athenian slang word for Paul, a babbler (spermologos, 17:18) as well as the court Areopagus (17:19) 23. the proper characterization of the Athenian character (17:21) 24. an altar to the “unknown god” (17:23) 25. the proper reaction of Greek philosophers, who denied the bodily resurrection (17:32) 26. Areopagites as the correct title for a member of the court (17:34) 27. a Corinthian synagogue (18:4) 28. the correct designation of Gallio as proconsul, resident in Corinth (18:12) 29. the bema (judgment seat), which overlooks Corinth’s forum (18:16) 30. the name of Tyrannus as attested from Ephesus in first-century inscriptions (19:9) 31. well-known shrines and images of Diana (19:24) 32. the well-attested “great goddess Diana” (19:27) 33. that the Ephesians theatre was the meeting place of the city (19:29) 34. the correct titled grammateus for the chief executive magistrate in Ephesus (19:35) 35. the proper title of honor neokoros, authorized by the Romans (19:35) 36. the correct name to designate the goddess (19:37) 37. the proper term for those holding court (19:38) 38. use of the plural anthupatoi, perhaps a remarkable reference to the fact that two men were conjointly exercising the function of proconsul at this time (19:38) 39. the “regular” assembly, as the precise phrase is attested elsewhere (19:39) 40. use of precise ethnic designation, beraiaios (20:4) 41. employment of the ethnic term Asianos (20:4) 42. the implied recognition of the strategic importance assigned to the city of Troas (20:7) 43. the danger of the coastal trip in this location (20:13) 44. the correct sequence of places (20:14-15) 45. the correct name of the city (21:1) 46. the appropriate route passing across the open sea south of Cyprus favored by persistent northeast winds (21:3) 47. the suitable distance between these cities (21:8) 48. a characteristically Jewish act of piety (21:24) 49. the Jewish law regarding Gentile use of the temple area (21:18) 50. the permanent stationing of a Roman cohort at Antonia to suppress any disturbance at festival times (21:31) 51. the flight of steps used by the guards (21:31, 35) 52. the common way to obtain Roman citizenship at this time (22:28) 53. the tribune being impressed with Roman rather than Tarsian citizenship (22:39) 54. Ananias being high priest at this time (23:2) 55. Felix being governor at this time (23:34) 56. the natural stopping point on the way to Cesarea (23:31) 57. whose jurisdiction Cilicia was in at the time (23:34) 58. the provincial penal procedure of the time (24:1-9) 59. the name of Festus, which agrees precisely with that given by Josephus (24:27) 60. the right of appeal as Roman citizens (25:11) 61. the correct legal formula (25:18) 62. the characteristic form of reference to the emperor at the time (25:26) 63. the best shipping lanes at the time (27:5) 64. the common bonding of Cilicia and Pamphylia (27:4) 65. the principal port to find a ship to Italy (27:5-6) 66. the slow passage to Cnidus, in the face of the typical northwest wind (27:7) 67. the right rout eto sail in view of the winds (27:7) 68. the locations of Fair Havens and the neighboring site of Lasea (27:8) 69. Fair Havens as a poorly sheltered roadstead (27:12) 70. a noted tendency of a south wind in these climates to back suddenly into a violent northeaster (27:13) 71. the nature of a square-rigged ancient ship, having no option but to drive before a gale (27:15) 72. the precise place and name of this island (27:16) 73. the appropriate maneuvers for the safety of the ship in its particular plight (27:16) 74. the fourteenth night—a remarkable calculation, based inevitably on a compounding of estimates and probabilities confirmed in the judgment of experienced Mediterranean navigators (27:27) 75. the proper term of the time for the Adriatic (27:27) 76. the precise term (Bolisantes) for taking soundings, and the correct depth of the water near Malta (27:28) 77. a position that suits the probable line of approach of a ship released to run before an easterly wind (27:39) 78. the severe liability of guards who permitted a prisoner to escape (27:42) 79. the local people and superstitions of the day (28:4-6) 80. the proper title Publius (28:7) 81. Rhegium as a refuge to await a southerly wind to carry them through the straight (28:13) 82. Appii Forum and Tres Tabernae as correctly placed stopping places on the Appian Way (28:15) 83. appropriate means of custody with Roman soldiers (28:16) 84. the conditions of imprisonment, living “at his own expense” (28:30-31) |
I am enjoying going through the vast amount of videos and article in the Grace History Project.
While you can certainly gleen some doctrine, most of the videos I have watched so far are not so about proclaiming a doctrine, but going through the history of the agreements and disagreements between Paul's gospel and traditions that started to spring up even during the time of Paul himself.
It's more of a documentary about doctrines, rather than trying to teach a doctrine.
And he uses Paul's teachings as the standard in which all teachings from Paul onward to today should be compared against.
I am liking Brian Jordan's approach. For some, it may seem slow going. But that is because he well documents everything he brings up. So even though I may already know a lot of what he is talking about, it is nice to see someone take their time and do so much documentation.
I'm loving the way he approaches this study.
You are exactly right; that is a Grace History study.
He has others that are not the history.
Its interesting; he (Bryan) and Jordan, do not see eye to eye on every doctrinal issue. And yet, there they are not held back by their differences in understanding of the minors, due to their obvious decision to major in the major that is the Grace Alternative.
The Grace Alternative being a great study all its own - it actually being the reemergence of one more, important, all encompassing distinction right up there with the other distinctions that reemerged prior to it, and that those together allowed the seeing of this one....
Turning out to have been a distinction many had been coming to where their leadership had not, it caused quite an uproar within some of those by then long since set in stone Mid-Acts camps, lol
Men! With our ever pressing need to be the last word on a thing, even as the quite ones within a flock will often see that "the emperor has no clothes..."
Right-e-O!
I especially like that he says all traditions and teachings of today (and any time since Paul) must line up with Paul's teaching on this dispensation.
It all seems to be foundational on the premise that the death, burial, and resurrection truly was sufficient.
If so, then why do so many try to add their own deeds to it? Which in turn makes you have to maybe rethink some things ---- such as confession, communion, water baptism, etc.
An old saying that I have always liked - Christ was not slain, buried, and resurrected to make bad men better. But to make dead men alive.
Jerry Shugart
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Since that truth was preached on the day of Pentecost then why wasn't that truth sufficient for the Jews who were under the law?
Or perhaps you do not believe that those who were under the law were saved by grace through faith?:
"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).
Since they were indeed saved by grace through faith then it is evident that their salvation was apart from works.
Do you agree with that?