Theology Club: IS THE BODY of CHRIST PART OF THE NEW COVENANT ??

DAN P

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Hi to all , and many dispensationalist , believe that the the EKKLESIA /ASSEMBLY or Body of Christ is part of the New Covenant ??

What do you say and what verse will you use ??

dan p
 

DAN P

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Hi to all , and many dispensationalist , believe that the the EKKLESIA /ASSEMBLY or Body of Christ is part of the New Covenant ??

What do you say and what verse will you use ??

dan p


Hi , and the one verse that Acts 2 and some dispensationalist will you against me , is 1 Cor 11:25 , " this cup is the new testament by my blood " .

If anyone does reply :

#1 , What does Testament mean ??

#2 , TESTAMENT / DIATHEKE means ??

#3 , DIATHEKE can be translated by the following English words :

Contract

Agreement

Arrangement

Will

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surrender

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All these crossover threads aren't going to make it easy for one trying to learn about this two gospel idea.

We are "under" the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21), who is the mediator of a new covenant (Heb. 9:15). We are no longer strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12) which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants. Sounds like we are part of the new covenant to me.
 

DAN P

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All these crossover threads aren't going to make it easy for one trying to learn about this two gospel idea.

We are "under" the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21), who is the mediator of a new covenant (Heb. 9:15). We are no longer strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12) which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants. Sounds like we are part of the new covenant to me.


Hi , and IF you view these as crossover threads , than I believe that you are not understanding what Pauline truth means !!

Why not start your own thread of what the meanings of 1 Cor 9:21 and what Heb 9:15 are talking about , especially Heb 9:15 !!

Eph 2:12 , that because we were strangers from the New Covenant , that all of a sudden , we are in a Covenant with Christ , when we are " in Christ " , you need to think that again !!

It will be interseting to see HOW you will link Heb 9:15 to the Body of Christ when Heb 9:15 is speaking to Israel ??

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surrender

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I believe that you are not understanding what Pauline truth means !!
Pauline truth? I think that might offend Paul. I’m more interested in God truth.

Why not start your own thread of what the meanings of 1 Cor 9:21 and what Heb 9:15 are talking about , especially Heb 9:15 !!
Why would I do that?

Eph 2:12 , that because we were strangers from the New Covenant , that all of a sudden , we are in a Covenant with Christ , when we are " in Christ " , you need to thing that again !!
Like I said, I don’t know if we are technically “under” a covenant, but we are certainly no strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12, 19), which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants. In that way—“on the inside,” so to speak—we are part of the new covenant.

It will be interseting to see HOW you will link Heb 9:15 to the Body of Christ when Heb 9:15 is speaking to Israel ??
This is how I’d link them. Heb. 9:15 is speaking of the necessity of a new covenant. Jesus, by means of death, became the mediator of this new covenant. He is the mediator for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant. This does, indeed, relate to Israel. But Paul informs us that Israel’s not alone in needing redemption (Rom. 6:23). Jesus is the Mediator of this new covenant He made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jer. 31:31), and Gentiles partake in the blessings and promises of that covenant (Eph. 2:19) through the same faith as Abraham (Rom. 4:16)—the same faith Abraham had while uncircumcised. And to the amazement of some Jews in that day, and I’m sure to the delight of others, Paul informed them that Jews partake in the covenant in the same way: through faith. (Rom. 4:14, 16). The promise is guaranteed to the all the descendants—those who are of the faith of Abraham without being circumcised (i.e. Gentiles, Rom. 4:11) and those who are of the faith of Abraham with being circumcised ("of the Law") (Rom. 4:12-13). [Verse 11 refers to Abraham being the father of Gentiles and verse 12 refers to Abraham being the father of Jews—those of the circumcision who follow in the steps of the faith of Abraham (i.e. Jews with faith)].
 

DAN P

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WHY THE BODY HAS NO COVENANT!!

WHY THE BODY HAS NO COVENANT!!

Pauline truth? I think that might offend Paul. I’m more interested in God truth.

Why would I do that?

Like I said, I don’t know if we are technically “under” a covenant, but we are certainly no strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12, 19), which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants. In that way—“on the inside,” so to speak—we are part of the new covenant.

This is how I’d link them. Heb. 9:15 is speaking of the necessity of a new covenant. Jesus, by means of death, became the mediator of this new covenant. He is the mediator for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant. This does, indeed, relate to Israel. But Paul informs us that Israel’s not alone in needing redemption (Rom. 6:23). Jesus is the Mediator of this new covenant He made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jer. 31:31), and Gentiles partake in the blessings and promises of that covenant (Eph. 2:19) through the same faith as Abraham (Rom. 4:16)—the same faith Abraham had while uncircumcised. And to the amazement of some Jews in that day, and I’m sure to the delight of others, Paul informed them that Jews partake in the covenant in the same way: through faith. (Rom. 4:14, 16). The promise is guaranteed to the all the descendants—those who are of the faith of Abraham without being circumcised (i.e. Gentiles, Rom. 4:11) and those who are of the faith of Abraham with being circumcised ("of the Law") (Rom. 4:12-13). [Verse 11 refers to Abraham being the father of Gentiles and verse 12 refers to Abraham being the father of Jews—those of the circumcision who follow in the steps of the faith of Abraham (i.e. Jews with faith)].


Hi , and I will only comment on Heb 9:15 , BECAUSE there are many issues here .

It is amusing to me , how many can read the same verse and come away with a different view point !!

Let me explain Heb 9:15 to you !!

And for this cause HE is the mediator of the New Testament , that by means of death , for the REDEMPTION of the Transgression that were under the FIRST Testament might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance .

#1 , He is a mediator of a New Covenant that is given to Israel Heb 8:8 !!

#2 , Can you explain what is in the NEW COVENANT , OR WILL YOU ??

#3 , When Jesus died on the cross , His death PAID FOR OVER 1600 years sins where Israel killed thousands of animal .

#4 , Jesus paid " for the Redemption of the FIRST transgressions that were under the FIRST TESTAMENT "

#5 , By , exegesis and CONTEXT your response is MOOT and has no merit !!

DAN P

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DAN P

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WHY THE BODY HAS NO COVENANT!!

WHY THE BODY HAS NO COVENANT!!

Pauline truth? I think that might offend Paul. I’m more interested in God truth.

Why would I do that?

Like I said, I don’t know if we are technically “under” a covenant, but we are certainly no strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12, 19), which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants. In that way—“on the inside,” so to speak—we are part of the new covenant.

This is how I’d link them. Heb. 9:15 is speaking of the necessity of a new covenant. Jesus, by means of death, became the mediator of this new covenant. He is the mediator for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant. This does, indeed, relate to Israel. But Paul informs us that Israel’s not alone in needing redemption (Rom. 6:23). Jesus is the Mediator of this new covenant He made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jer. 31:31), and Gentiles partake in the blessings and promises of that covenant (Eph. 2:19) through the same faith as Abraham (Rom. 4:16)—the same faith Abraham had while uncircumcised. And to the amazement of some Jews in that day, and I’m sure to the delight of others, Paul informed them that Jews partake in the covenant in the same way: through faith. (Rom. 4:14, 16). The promise is guaranteed to the all the descendants—those who are of the faith of Abraham without being circumcised (i.e. Gentiles, Rom. 4:11) and those who are of the faith of Abraham with being circumcised ("of the Law") (Rom. 4:12-13). [Verse 11 refers to Abraham being the father of Gentiles and verse 12 refers to Abraham being the father of Jews—those of the circumcision who follow in the steps of the faith of Abraham (i.e. Jews with faith)].


Hi , and I will only comment on Heb 9:15 , BECAUSE there are many issues here .

It is amusing to me , how many can read the same verse and come away with a different view point !!

Let me explain Heb 9:15 to you !!

And for this cause HE is the mediator of the New Testament , that by means of death , for the REDEMPTION of the Transgression that were under the FIRST Testament might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance .

#1 , He is a mediator of a New Covenant that is given to Israel Heb 8:8 !!

#2 , Can you explain what is in the NEW COVENANT , OR WILL YOU ??

#3 , When Jesus died on the cross , His death PAID FOR OVER 1600 years sins where Israel killed thousands of animal .

#4 , Jesus paid " for the Redemption of the FIRST transgressions that were under the FIRST TESTAMENT "

#5 , By , exegesis and CONTEXT your response is MOOT and has no merit !!

DAN P
 

surrender

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#1 , He is a mediator of a New Covenant that is given to Israel Heb 8:8 !!
I agree.

#2 , Can you explain what is in the NEW COVENANT , OR WILL YOU ??
Wait a minute? I thought you said, “Let me explain Heb. 9:15 to you.” The new covenant is described in Jer. 31:31 and Isaiah 59:21.

#3 , When Jesus died on the cross , His death PAID FOR OVER 1600 years sins where Israel killed thousands of animal .
Okay. But his death and resurrection did much more than that.

#4 , Jesus paid " for the Redemption of the FIRST transgressions that were under the FIRST TESTAMENT "
Okay. But his death and resurrection did much more than that.

#5 , By , exegesis and CONTEXT your response is MOOT and has no merit !!
You haven’t explained anything to me. And you going around saying to others’ posts, “Your response is MOOT” as if it’s some kind of claim with any weight is getting redundant and boring.
 

DAN P

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I agree.

Wait a minute? I thought you said, “Let me explain Heb. 9:15 to you.” The new covenant is described in Jer. 31:31 and Isaiah 59:21.

Okay. But his death and resurrection did much more than that.

Okay. But his death and resurrection did much more than that.

You haven’t explained anything to me. And you going around saying to others’ posts, “Your response is MOOT” as if it’s some kind of claim with any weight is getting redundant and boring.


Hi , and just what does the New Covenant given too ?? HUH !!

#1 , If it is described in Jer 31:31 , Isa 59:21 , and do not forget Ezek 36:24-38 is a DESCRIPTION of Israel , and not for the Body of Christ .

What I mean is that you have nothing to debate or enlighten Dispensationalism .

Moot to me means not Debatable .

Israel were given CONITIONAL and UNCONDITIONAL Covenants , but you knew that , right !!

Start an new threads and explain all the Covenants given in the Bible and educate me and prove who these Conditional and Unconditions were given to and prove how BORING I am !!

And I am not offended by any of your questions at ALL !!

dan p
 

surrender

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Hi , and just what does the New Covenant given too ?? HUH !!

#1 , If it is described in Jer 31:31 , Isa 59:21 , and do not forget Ezek 36:24-38 is a DESCRIPTION of Israel , and not for the Body of Christ .

What I mean is that you have nothing to debate or enlighten Dispensationalism .

Moot to me means not Debatable .

Israel were given CONITIONAL and UNCONDITIONAL Covenants , but you knew that , right !!

Start an new threads and explain all the Covenants given in the Bible and educate me and prove who these Conditional and Unconditions were given to and prove how BORING I am !!

And I am not offended by any of your questions at ALL !!

dan p
Why would anyone’s questions be offensive? I really don’t understand your comment. And I didn’t say you were boring. Your continual “Your response is MOOT!” comment is getting tiring. My responses may not “enlighten” dispensationalism, but so what? That was never my intention in the first place. My intention is to understand Scripture IN context.

And why do you keep telling me to begin new threads? If you want to begin yet another thread, then do it.

As for this thread, the body of Christ partakes in the blessings of the new covenant that God made with Israel through Messiah Jesus (Eph. 2:12, 19).
 

DAN P

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Why would anyone’s questions be offensive? I really don’t understand your comment. And I didn’t say you were boring. As for this thread, the body of Christ partakes in the blessings of the new covenant that God made with Israel through Messiah Jesus (Eph. 2:12, 19).


Hi , and in post #9 , you were saying that my posts were " redundant and boring " are your words and by Rom 11:12 we are enjoying Grace , BUT this does not mean God has a New Covenant with the Body of Christ !!

There are only some covenants mentioned in the Bible and there are 4 yet to be put into operation !!

Maybe you know something that I do not know ??

dan p
 

surrender

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Hi , and in post #9 , you were saying that my posts were " redundant and boring " are your words
No, I didn’t say “your posts” are redundant and boring. I said, “Your comment, ‘Your response is MOOT!” is getting redundant and boring.” If you have difficulty interpreting simple comments such as that, you may want to rethink your adamant belief of this two gospel doctrine.

by Rom 11:12 we are enjoying Grace , BUT this does not mean God has a New Covenant with the Body of Christ !!
According to Eph. 2:12, 19 the body of Christ partakes in the blessings of the new covenant that God made with Israel through Messiah Jesus.
 

DAN P

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No, I didn’t say “your posts” are redundant and boring. I said, “Your comment, ‘Your response is MOOT!” is getting redundant and boring.” If you have difficulty interpreting simple comments such as that, you may want to rethink your adamant belief of this two gospel doctrine.

According to Eph. 2:12, 19 the body of Christ partakes in the blessings of the new covenant that God made with Israel through Messiah Jesus.


Hi , and if you believe in ONE GOSPEL , give a verse where is says that ??

If I believe in more than , I can defend my position , so DEFEND your One Gospel Theology , if you can ?? HEH , HEH !!

dan p
 

surrender

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Hi , and if you believe in ONE GOSPEL , give a verse where is says that ??

If I believe in more than , I can defend my position , so DEFEND your One Gospel Theology , if you can ?? HEH , HEH !!

dan p
I am under no obligation to prove anything to you. This forum is called "MidActs Dispensationalism." It is for those who adhere to this doctrine to prove their position. YOU have not done that. I am still waiting.

This is the one saving gospel:
Acts 26:17-23 ...Jewish people and...the Gentiles,...to open their eyes so that they may...receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance...by faith in Me [Christ Jesus]...at Jerusalem...and even to the Gentiles that they should repent...performing deeds appropriate to repentance. ...stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said...that the Christ was to suffer and by reason of his resurrection...he would...proclaim light to both the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.
 

DAN P

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I am under no obligation to prove anything to you. This forum is called "MidActs Dispensationalism." It is for those who adhere to this doctrine to prove their position. YOU have not done that. I am still waiting.

This is the one saving gospel:
Acts 26:17-23 ...Jewish people and...the Gentiles,...to open their eyes so that they may...receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance...by faith in Me [Christ Jesus]...at Jerusalem...and even to the Gentiles that they should repent...performing deeds appropriate to repentance. ...stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said...that the Christ was to suffer and by reason of his resurrection...he would...proclaim light to both the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.


Hi , and I have some 10 OP , proving Paul is right on and when did you disprove one , Like Rom 1:1 ???

Give it a shot ??

dan p
 

surrender

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Hi , and I have some 10 OP , proving Paul is right on and when did you disprove one , Like Rom 1:1 ???

Give it a shot ??

dan p

We are "under" the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21), who is the mediator of a new covenant (Heb. 9:15). We are no longer strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12) which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants.

This is the one saving gospel:
Acts 26:17-23 ...Jewish people and...the Gentiles,...to open their eyes so that they may...receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance...by faith in Me [Christ Jesus]...at Jerusalem...and even to the Gentiles that they should repent...performing deeds appropriate to repentance. ...stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said...that the Christ was to suffer and by reason of his resurrection...he would...proclaim light to both the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.

The body of Christ partakes in the promise and blessing of the new covenant. The gospel that saves is for Jewish people and Gentile people that they would open their eyes and receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance (i.e. new covenant promise) by faith in Christ who died and was raised to life, and that they, both Jews and Gentiles, should repent, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
 

DAN P

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Pauline truth? I think that might offend Paul. I’m more interested in God truth.

Why would I do that?
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Hi , and what do you think about the following verse , in 2 Cor 2:10 , " To whom ye forgive any thing , I for gave also , for IF I forgave any thing , I forgave it , for your sakes forgave I IT IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST ".

When Paul forgave , Paul forgave in the Person of Christ , and do you know who ELSE could say This ??

dan p
 
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surrender

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Hi , and what doe think about the following verse , in 2 Cor 2:10 , " Yo whom ye forgive any thing , I for gave also , for IF I forgave any thing , I forgave it , for your sakes forgave I IT IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST ".

When Paul forgave , Paul forgave in the Person of Christ , and do you know who ELSE could say This ??
Who?
 

DAN P

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We are "under" the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21), who is the mediator of a new covenant (Heb. 9:15). We are no longer strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12) which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants.

This is the one saving gospel:
Acts 26:17-23 ...Jewish people and...the Gentiles,...to open their eyes so that they may...receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance...by faith in Me [Christ Jesus]...at Jerusalem...and even to the Gentiles that they should repent...performing deeds appropriate to repentance. ...stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said...that the Christ was to suffer and by reason of his resurrection...he would...proclaim light to both the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.

The body of Christ partakes in the promise and blessing of the new covenant. The gospel that saves is for Jewish people and Gentile people that they would open their eyes and receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance (i.e. new covenant promise) by faith in Christ who died and was raised to life, and that they, both Jews and Gentiles, should repent, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.


Hi and where will you LINK the New Covenant with the Body of Christ ??

Most Covenant Theologians know where a it is found , but you do not , But I know how to defense my self !!

dan p
 
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