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A failed attack on the Biblical flood

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Man, were I in the habit of buying books via the internet, I'd probably go broke (in terms of cash), fast! Not that it's expensive to obtain books that way, but, rather, just because it's so remarkably inexpensive and easy, I'd likely have a struggle trying to refrain from gorging myself to dissipation, having the temptation and ability, with just a few clicks or keystrokes, to obtain a copy of just about any book I could consider wanting to obtain. I've had pretty good success over the years, though, touring various second-hand stores in my vicinity on a somewhat regular basis; lot's of really sweet successes at finding, both, books I had been wanting to get my hands on, as well as books I, perhaps, hadn't heard of before, but which turned out to be top-notch discoveries. Also, many times at thrift stores I've been pleased to find hard copies (whether actual antique volumes, or recent reprints) of many of the "public domain", "antiquarian" books I had already come to admire through Google Books, Archive.org, etc. It's always nice to have the actual book, rather than just a scanned PDF copy--although, I have to confess that, even though it's been over a decade since I first discovered the availability of PDF copies of old volumes on the internet, I've scarcely lost any of the admiration--nay, near giddiness--I first had upon this discovery.
    You sound just like another bookworm to me.... I know. I resemble that remark.

    I get about the same way you do when I find books I've been looking for or unexpectedly run across books on subjects I'm really interested in. Most of my library is made up of free ebooks from Gutenberg Project, Online library of Liberty, The Online Books Page, ManyBooks, etc.... I used to buy a lot of new books. Now I pretty much buy only used and download from the sources I listed. I really dislike Google so I don't use them at all.

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  • 7djengo7
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    I found a couple of Donald Chittick's books on thriftbooks.com and ordered them both: The Puzzle of Ancient Man and The Controversy: Roots of the Creation-Evolution Conflict. Pretty cheap at less than $9 for the pair.
    Man, were I in the habit of buying books via the internet, I'd probably go broke (in terms of cash), fast! Not that it's expensive to obtain books that way, but, rather, just because it's so remarkably inexpensive and easy, I'd likely have a struggle trying to refrain from gorging myself to dissipation, having the temptation and ability, with just a few clicks or keystrokes, to obtain a copy of just about any book I could consider wanting to obtain. I've had pretty good success over the years, though, touring various second-hand stores in my vicinity on a somewhat regular basis; lot's of really sweet successes at finding, both, books I had been wanting to get my hands on, as well as books I, perhaps, hadn't heard of before, but which turned out to be top-notch discoveries. Also, many times at thrift stores I've been pleased to find hard copies (whether actual antique volumes, or recent reprints) of many of the "public domain", "antiquarian" books I had already come to admire through Google Books, Archive.org, etc. It's always nice to have the actual book, rather than just a scanned PDF copy--although, I have to confess that, even though it's been over a decade since I first discovered the availability of PDF copies of old volumes on the internet, I've scarcely lost any of the admiration--nay, near giddiness--I first had upon this discovery.

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Just a couple of weeks ago, I finally chanced upon a copy of that book (for next to nothing) at a second-hand store. A few years ago, I read a small book (the exact title of which escapes me at the moment) by Dr. Donald Chittick on the sophistication of ancient man--which, of course, includes some discussion on the subject of ooparts--and the Noorbergen book was one of the sources he recommended in his bibliography. Such a fascinating subject, and so, I've been keeping my eyes peeled for cheap, used copies of most of the titles he lists. Man, I love obtaining books! (Though, I often wish I could actually devour them, and assimilate the info in them, as quickly and effortlessly as I can acquire them!)

    And, I really like that there are other people out there interested in that sort of stuff at least as much as I am.
    I found a couple of Donald Chittick's books on thriftbooks.com and ordered them both: The Puzzle of Ancient Man and The Controversy: Roots of the Creation-Evolution Conflict. Pretty cheap at less than $9 for the pair.

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  • Right Divider
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    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Just a couple of weeks ago, I finally chanced upon a copy of that book (for next to nothing) at a second-hand store. A few years ago, I read a small book (the exact title of which escapes me at the moment) by Dr. Donald Chittick on the sophistication of ancient man--which, of course, includes some discussion on the subject of ooparts--and the Noorbergen book was one of the sources he recommended in his bibliography. Such a fascinating subject, and so, I've been keeping my eyes peeled for cheap, used copies of most of the titles he lists. Man, I love obtaining books! (Though, I often wish I could actually devour them, and assimilate the info in them, as quickly and effortlessly as I can acquire them!)

    And, I really like that there are other people out there interested in that sort of stuff at least as much as I am.
    Evolutionists often conflate the accumulation of technological knowledge with the supposed "evolution of human intelligence".

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by Stripe View Post


    I'm giving away my stand-up dreams.
    I've always thought you were a pretty funny guy. I get a lot of LOLs from your posts. Don't give up the dream yet....

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  • Stripe
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    If you hadn't told me that I'd have never known. I thought it was intentional.


    I'm giving away my stand-up dreams.

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    It's not intentional.
    If you hadn't told me that I'd have never known. I thought it was intentional.

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  • Stripe
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    LOL. That's pretty funny.
    It's not intentional.

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    Those are the ones that I might be wrong about.
    LOL. That's pretty funny.

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Just a couple of weeks ago, I finally chanced upon a copy of that book (for next to nothing) at a second-hand store. A few years ago, I read a small book (the exact title of which escapes me at the moment) by Dr. Donald Chittick on the sophistication of ancient man--which, of course, includes some discussion on the subject of ooparts--and the Noorbergen book was one of the sources he recommended in his bibliography. Such a fascinating subject, and so, I've been keeping my eyes peeled for cheap, used copies of most of the titles he lists. Man, I love obtaining books! (Though, I often wish I could actually devour them, and assimilate the info in them, as quickly and effortlessly as I can acquire them!)

    And, I really like that there are other people out there interested in that sort of stuff at least as much as I am.
    I got my first copy of it back in the 1970s after I heard Noorbergen speak for a couple of hours at a local church in the area I lived in back then. He was a fascinating speaker as he was extremely knowledgeable in many areas. He had copies of his book in the foyer of the church and I bought the book before I left. I loaned the book out in the 80s and it never came back so I bought another copy a couple of years ago from an online used book company, thriftbooks.com. You might search their inventory for the books/authors you're looking for as they have a very large inventory. The other book company you might look at is Powell's Books in Portland, Ore. Their building is 3 or 4 stories high and takes up an entire city block. When I lived in the Portland area I'd go there once in a while and spend hours browsing their shelves. I've browsed their inventory online a few times since I moved away from there and bought a few books from them that way.

    Noorbergen has a couple of books out on the search for Noah's ark as he was involved in that for decades. He has also written books on Jeanne Dixon, Nastrodamus, and other prophets. He also wrote a book about the destruction of Christian values in the US titled Death Cry of an Eagle. It's a fascinating book.

    I'll have to research Dr. Chittick as I've never heard of him before. If he covers the same areas as Noorbergen does his books will interest me quite a bit. So thanks for the heads up on that.

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  • Stripe
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Just what kind of a low-key event would bury artifacts hundreds of feet underground or in material that became stone under pressure? I'd really appreciate it if you describe such a low-key event.
    Those are the ones that I might be wrong about.

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  • 7djengo7
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    In the book "Secrets of the Lost Races" Rene Noorbergen documents quite a number of what he calls ooparts--out of place artifacts.
    Just a couple of weeks ago, I finally chanced upon a copy of that book (for next to nothing) at a second-hand store. A few years ago, I read a small book (the exact title of which escapes me at the moment) by Dr. Donald Chittick on the sophistication of ancient man--which, of course, includes some discussion on the subject of ooparts--and the Noorbergen book was one of the sources he recommended in his bibliography. Such a fascinating subject, and so, I've been keeping my eyes peeled for cheap, used copies of most of the titles he lists. Man, I love obtaining books! (Though, I often wish I could actually devour them, and assimilate the info in them, as quickly and effortlessly as I can acquire them!)

    And, I really like that there are other people out there interested in that sort of stuff at least as much as I am.

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  • 7djengo7
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    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    It's unlikely that anything manmade survived the flood in any recognizable or discoverable form, apart from the ark.
    Ah, so you don't subscribe to what Freemasons say?


    In Masonic lore, the outer Pillars of the Temple are often referred to as the “Pillars of Enoch”. Enoch, being aware that Adam predicted “that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water.” (Flavius Josephus Antiquities, 1.2:3) Therefore fearing the principles of the Liberal Arts and Sciences might be lost, his son Seth caused two pillars to be made, the one of brick, the other of stone, (various other documents refer to other materials being used) they inscribed their discoveries on them both, this was in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind. The story of the Pillars became enshrined in Masonic teachings through the second earliest Masonic MS.



    Neither do I. And, it puzzles me as to why Seth would have even bothered to cause the brick one to be made, in the first place, if he expected it was likely to be destroyed by the flood.

    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    There's flood evidence everywhere you put your feet.
    Definitely no shortage of it, whatsoever!

    Peculiar that you assume feet (plural), though. Then again, perhaps I'm the oddball, for automatically assuming everyone whose posts I read on internet forums has a wooden leg.
    Last edited by 7djengo7; July 28th, 2019, 03:06 PM.

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  • 7djengo7
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Something he seems to have failed to consider is that Genesis 1 describes exactly what "Earth" is, and it's different than "Seas".

    Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. - Genesis 1:9-10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...10&version=NIV

    In other words, the Earth was covered in water, and then the Earth dried up. It says nothing about the Seas drying up.
    You're absolutely right! Incidentally, noticing what is written in Genesis 1:9-10 is precisely what helped me to understand his error.

    God flooded the earth, the dry land; He did not flood the seas. Only what God had flooded did God dry up. Of course, at the height of the flood, the levels of the seas would have become raised drastically, since the waters of the seas would, I take it, have become contiguous with, and of the same level with, all the flood waters covering the earth.

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  • ffreeloader
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    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    It's likely that some or even most off these reports — if true — describe stuff buried post-glood, although I wouldn't rule out altogether the possibility that pre-flood stuff was buried.

    It's just far more likely that a more low-key event would preserve stuff liked this in a spot that it might be found.
    Just what kind of a low-key event would bury artifacts hundreds of feet underground or in material that became stone under pressure? I'd really appreciate it if you describe such a low-key event.

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