fishrovmen
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GT, so you admit, then, a "distinction" between the glory of God and Jesus in that passage, as well as the Holy Spirit indwelling Stephen?
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God's Truth
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There is no difference between God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the visible of the invisible God.
fishrovmen
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So, you believe in three manifestations of one God at the same time?
God's Truth
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I am not sure at what you are getting at by saying at the same time.
fishrovmen
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I'm trying to understand what you believe. Is each manifestation fully God, or each 1/3 God?
Many, but mainly trinity doctrine is not salvation issue, yet, Trinitarians making it such.
It wasn't the appearance of Jesus which changed, it was the perception of the disciples that was altered so as to not recognize Him.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
holden- kratéō; contracted kratṓ, fut. kratḗsō, from krátos (G2904), strength. To take hold of, grasp, hold fast, followed by the gen. of person meaning to have power over, rule over. In the NT, followed by the gen. of thing or acc. of person or thing.
(I) Followed by the gen. of thing meaning to have power over, to be dominant, or become master of, i.e., to gain, attain to (Act_27:13; Heb_4:14, "let us attain to the full benefit of our profession in Him" [a.t.], equivalent to Heb_6:18; Sept.: Pro_14:18). To take the hand of someone (Mat_9:25; Mar_1:31; Mar_5:41; Luk_8:54; Sept.: Gen_19:16; 2Sa_1:11).
(II) Followed by the acc.:
(A) To have power over, to be or become the master of, which always implies a certain degree of force with which one brings a person or thing wholly under his power, even when resistance is encountered.
Do you believe the following?
Romans 10:9-10
King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
God's Truth
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AMR, and many others say it is a salvation issue. Since they say it is a salvation issue, they will be judged by the measure they use. That is what Jesus says.
Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
AMR and Bright Raven are two that have condemned themselves. Anyone else want to join them?
glorydaz
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No, the trinity doctrine states clearly there is one God. You're the one who can't explain verses such as this....while those who know God is triune can plainly understand it.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
God's Truth
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They did not recognize Jesus because he looks like someone else.
That's not what it says.
JosephR
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I am sorry but I dont get it either... God will send himself as a spirit in Jesus"His" name.... ok
Jesus prays to himself,speaks of the Father.Tells us to Pray to the Father...wouldn't Satan know who he is, why would Satan tempt God who could create another world so why offer him the Earth? I mean Satan talked to God directly in Job...
Jesus is our Lord and Savior I get, Behold this is my Son in whom I am well pleased I get..this Godhead trinity I do not..
God's Truth
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The trinity doctrine says there is one God, the Father, another God the Son, and another God the Holy Spirit.
The trinity doctrine SAYS their doctrine is UNEXPLAINABLE.
The Holy Spirit is the same as Jesus. In fact, the Holy Spirit takes from what is Jesus’.
John 16:14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
The disciples will know the Holy Spirit when it comes, because the Holy Spirit has been living with them! Jesus has been living with them.
John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
fishrovmen
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The diety of Christ is definitely a salvific issue (John 8:24)
God's Truth
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You are saying it was Jesus and they saw him as Jesus.
That is not what the scriptures say.
God's Truth
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You do not even know who He is.
You don't believe that the deity of Christ is a salvation issue?
JosephR
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I didnt say deity,, i said God,, there is no doubt he is the begotten Son of God and that qualifies him as deity .
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