10 things I'm right about, whether you agree or not.

Morpheus

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That is blatantly false..
No it isn't. That is what he was addressing in Romans. We all should be struggling against sin. We are all tempted. We all fall short. If we just view it with an "oh well" attitude then we have simply accepted sin as a part of our life and have become a slave to it. It is the struggle against it that demonstrates that we are a slave to God in at least our mind. If we cease struggling then sin has won.
I have already addressed (many times, you "idiot") that brain diseases and injuries are a completely different issue then the one that I am discussing.
Yet you deny that chemical imbalances are related to brain diseases. You also have stated that disorders like PTSD, for an example, don't count because there is no physiological manifestation. I say that your pompous attitude toward people who have been so emotionally damaged to where they lose control of their lives is the sin. God will judge their heart, yet he will similarly judge yours. Your time would be better served at this point dealing with your own bitterness and hatred than it is trying to do God's job for him. Most of us would rather help a wounded soldier get help and return to health. You seem satisfied just shooting him in the field.
 

Lighthouse

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So, what you're saying is, sometimes you want to sin and you just sin without second thought?

Does that mean that, at that moment, you just don't care that you're sinning? You don't think about what you're doing? You don't have self-awareness prior to committing the act? What?
Of course I'm aware. I'm just not fretting over it. I do it because I'm bored, and I don't think about the fact that it will only bore me more. But then I realize I'm still bored, and I move on.

There DOESN'T have to be a struggle. Ask Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy. I just want to understand why you don't struggle.
Because I'm not afraid of condemnation. And because sinning bores me. I sin, and then I think to myself, "never mind."
 

Balder

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Of course I'm aware. I'm just not fretting over it. I do it because I'm bored, and I don't think about the fact that it will only bore me more. But then I realize I'm still bored, and I move on.

So, for you, sinning is actually without consequence and whether you do it or not really just hinges on its entertainment value for you at the time?
 

Mystery

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No it isn't. That is what he was addressing in Romans.
No he was not. You need to read it again.

As a Christian, Paul was not in bondage to sin.

As a Christian, Paul was not a prisoner of the law of sin and death.

Asa Christian Paul was not a wretched man asking who will set him free.

Paul is giving his testimony on how the Law led Him to Christ.

We all should be struggling against sin.
No, we should not. In fact, that is a repudiation of the gospel and Christ's sacrifice to do so.

"For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?"

The sacrifices that the Law required could not make anyone perfect. The sacrifice of Jesus does. The sacrifice of Jesus is a better sacrifice, and those who worship Him, have been cleansed and are to have no more consciousness of sins. If they do, it is because they do not accept His sacrifice.

The sacrifies of the Law could never take away sin, but the sacrifice of Jesus does.

"By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified."

If we cease struggling then sin has won.
That is exactly the opposite of the truth. Jesus has already defeated sin through His ONCE for ALL sacrifice on the cross, just as He has death. You mind is set on the flesh, and that is why you are still sin conscious.

"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

Yet you deny that chemical imbalances are related to brain diseases. You also have stated that disorders like PTSD, for an example, don't count because there is no physiological manifestation. I say that your pompous attitude toward people who have been so emotionally damaged to where they lose control of their lives is the sin. God will judge their heart, yet he will similarly judge yours. Your time would be better served at this point dealing with your own bitterness and hatred than it is trying to do God's job for him. Most of us would rather help a wounded soldier get help and return to health. You seem satisfied just shooting him in the field.
Go to hell, Morpheus. You, and low life scum like you, are the ones who have sent millions of people to an early grave while profiting on their misery, with your quackery. I have God's mind on this matter, and have proven it by His word. You have the mind of Satan.
 

Lighthouse

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So, for you, sinning is actually without consequence and whether you do it or not really just hinges on its entertainment value for you at the time?
I didn't say there was no consequence. I said there was no condemnation. And there is no entertainment value.
 

Balder

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I didn't say there was no consequence. I said there was no condemnation. And there is no entertainment value.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I really do want to understand where you're coming from on this. It seems that your orientation to the question of sin is somewhat self-centered: you do it because you're bored, you stop because you're bored. In other words, your motivation in both instances is to entertain yourself or to engage in something entertaining, since in both cases trying to move away from boredom is your primary motivator (as you've been explaining this so far).
 

Lighthouse

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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I really do want to understand where you're coming from on this. It seems that your orientation to the question of sin is somewhat self-centered: you do it because you're bored, you stop because you're bored. In other words, your motivation in both instances is to entertain yourself or to engage in something entertaining, since in both cases trying to move away from boredom is your primary motivator (as you've been explaining this so far).
Yes. But I realize that there is no reason to go to porn to relieve boredom, because it doesn't. Sin profits me nothing. So there is absolutely no valid reason to do it. But sometimes my flesh wants to, and I do. But it always ends in nothing worth anything.
 

Morpheus

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No he was not. You need to read it again.

As a Christian, Paul was not in bondage to sin.

As a Christian, Paul was not a prisoner of the law of sin and death.

Asa Christian Paul was not a wretched man asking who will set him free.

Paul is giving his testimony on how the Law led Him to Christ.

No, we should not. In fact, that is a repudiation of the gospel and Christ's sacrifice to do so.

"For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?"

The sacrifices that the Law required could not make anyone perfect. The sacrifice of Jesus does. The sacrifice of Jesus is a better sacrifice, and those who worship Him, have been cleansed and are to have no more consciousness of sins. If they do, it is because they do not accept His sacrifice.

The sacrifies of the Law could never take away sin, but the sacrifice of Jesus does.

"By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified."

That is exactly the opposite of the truth. Jesus has already defeated sin through His ONCE for ALL sacrifice on the cross, just as He has death. You mind is set on the flesh, and that is why you are still sin conscious.

"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

Go to hell, Morpheus. You, and low life scum like you, are the ones who have sent millions of people to an early grave while profiting on their misery, with your quackery. I have God's mind on this matter, and have proven it by His word. You have the mind of Satan.
You obviously don't have the mind of God, but have deluded yourself and are trying with all that is in you to pass that delusion on to others. What do you know of the Gnostics? They believed that sin had no consequence and that the flesh and spirit are so separate that one does not affect the other. This heresy should have died a couple of centuries ago, but you continue to maintain it. You have allowed sin to conquer your flesh undisputed, and since you don't struggle against it then your mind has similarly accepted sin as a part of life. You have similarly allowed hatred to rule unchallenged in your mind.

Galatians 5:19-26
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
So now Mystery, which of these traits most closely matches your character? The mind of God? You don't even know what it is when it is staring you in the face.
 

Mystery

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You obviously don't have the mind of God, but have deluded yourself and are trying with all that is in you to pass that delusion on to others.
I gave you God's word, you have nothing but your your demonically inspired rhetoric.

You cannot dispute what I said, so you resort to childish blabbering.

What do you know of the Gnostics?
More that you'll ever know. They are godless false teachers, just like you are.

They believed that sin had no consequence
So? I don't believe that. You're an idiot.

You have no answers to the biblical evidence, so all you can do is create some imaginary box to throw your rocks at.

Either debate the evidence, or shut your dung filled mouth.
 

On Fire

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Of course I'm aware. I'm just not fretting over it. I do it because I'm bored, and I don't think about the fact that it will only bore me more. But then I realize I'm still bored, and I move on.

Because I'm not afraid of condemnation. And because sinning bores me. I sin, and then I think to myself, "never mind."
You are digging yourself deeper and deeper.

Sins are just a "bore" for you? You don't struggle, you sin, you're bored and God is good with that?
 

Wong Fei Hung

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Read between the lines

Read between the lines

Get your facts straight, you turdbreath troll. I am speaking specifically against those who are teaching that sin is a sickness.

Look Horian, I'll overlook your gutter talk and set you straight. I know you are against the idea that sin is a sickness. I am too. Now settle down and read between the lines next time--or do I need to get you a tutor?
 

Wong Fei Hung

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I have the book. What do you think of Charles G. Finney? He refuted sin as sickness and substance. What do you think of Augustinian 'original sin'? Winkie Pratney? George Otis, Jr.? Open Theism? Moral Government Theology?

Have books by all mentioned and many open theism books by Sanders, et el. I'm sure you're familiar with McCabe's books too (Divine Nescience of Future Contingencies a Necessity, 1862 and The Foreknowledge of God, 1887). "Mystery," I'm sure is familiar with these authors too, although I'll let him speak for himself (I don't think he wants to get near my "troll breath" err... "turdbreath," sorry!)

I used to live in a compound in Texas with Winkey Pratney. It was closely guarded day and night and I rarely saw the light of day. If I told you any more, I'd have to kill you. Those were the days, weren't they? Now I live under a bridge (was that a toll bridge or troll bridge--can't remember).

What do I think of Finney, Augustine and original sin, etc? Probably the same as you. Finney was one of the greatest original thinkers to ever grace this country (or any country, for that matter). Augustine is way overrated but nonetheless has influenced everyone since. Calvin (I know you didn't ask) was a mean little man with a god complex (like Mystery)-- but who can blame Calvin (he was "caused" to be that way-- but what's Mystery's excuse? Harshly potty-trained I suppose.) ;) -- smiley face so that mystery doesn't misinterpret that last comment -- cough.
 

Minerva

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sorry, should have been here sooner, but why is there no such thing as mental illness, could you elaborate please Mystery? or tell me what page you already discussed it on?
 

Wong Fei Hung

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Lindale, Texas?

Remember what I said? If I told you, I'd have to kill you. :) Yes, Lindale. I know where you live, it's a bit of a drive from Philly and gas is bit high right now, so I'm gonna overlook your insults and deny this conversation. Have you been arrested lately?
 

Mystery

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sorry, should have been here sooner, but why is there no such thing as mental illness, could you elaborate please Mystery? or tell me what page you already discussed it on?

From a biblical perspective, you can start Here

For a scientific basis, you can start Here

Let me add by saying that the mind is not the brain. The brain can be diseased or injured, but that is not what is taking place in what is being called "mental illness" or what are being diagnosed as "mental illnessess".
 

BillyBob

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Remember what I said? If I told you, I'd have to kill you. :) Yes, Lindale. I know where you live, it's a bit of a drive from Philly and gas is bit high right now, so I'm gonna overlook your insults and deny this conversation. Have you been arrested lately?

Have you been banned lately?


:banned:
 

Mystery

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Remember what I said? If I told you, I'd have to kill you. :) Yes, Lindale. I know where you live, it's a bit of a drive from Philly and gas is bit high right now, so I'm gonna overlook your insults and deny this conversation. Have you been arrested lately?
Uh? Ummm... no. When was I arrested?

Have you been to Floyd McClung's fellowship in my neighborhood? How do you know where I live?
 
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