How to Sin (and get away with it)
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genuineoriginal
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In context the verses you reference say you must fulfill one commandment of the Torah, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"
James 2:8-12 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. |
According to the logic behind your comment, if you keep the commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself" as James said to do, you must obey the whole law.
Are you sure you have understood what James was trying to say?
genuineoriginal
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When did you study under the schoolmaster, and what did the schoolmaster teach you?
genuineoriginal
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You were addressing the thread and not to any one in particular.
I am posting in the thread and responded to your post.
Have you ever studied under the schoolmaster, or are you unlearned?
wonderingjew
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Student Should be as His Schoolmaster
Student Should be as His Schoolmaster
Matthew 10:25 shows plainly we are to pick up and behave like the Master. How did the master behave? It is odd to me that rather than simply following the Masters footsteps we try and try to make sin ok in some fashion or another. Remember the Scriptures themselves define sin as disobedience to the Torah, not Paul, not John, not denominations, not vain imaginations, not anything you can prop up as a deity worthy of your acceptance, both palatable and soothing.
Try breaking a mans' law like speeding down a street and crashing into a fence. See if you get mercy in that situation. Now imagine the Father showing us how to behave and giving His very Spirit to lead us to His instructions and directions and us saying "Well, that's in the old covenant so I don't have to do it His way but any way I choose to do it." That's one way to sin and feel justified in the disobedience produced. And once more: None of us are saved by anything but by Grace through Faith...
The Messiah is the schoolmaster and He obeyed the Spirit of the Torah but never dismissed the written part in any way. Sin is sin is sin, but when you confuse sin with your salvation it gives headaches to the whole house. I was wondering if we aren't to live blameless before YHVH in this existence? I was wondering how can we reason away the commandments and not be taken to task. The Messiah did say you are justified by your words and condemned by the same...
Student Should be as His Schoolmaster
Matthew 10:25 shows plainly we are to pick up and behave like the Master. How did the master behave? It is odd to me that rather than simply following the Masters footsteps we try and try to make sin ok in some fashion or another. Remember the Scriptures themselves define sin as disobedience to the Torah, not Paul, not John, not denominations, not vain imaginations, not anything you can prop up as a deity worthy of your acceptance, both palatable and soothing.
Try breaking a mans' law like speeding down a street and crashing into a fence. See if you get mercy in that situation. Now imagine the Father showing us how to behave and giving His very Spirit to lead us to His instructions and directions and us saying "Well, that's in the old covenant so I don't have to do it His way but any way I choose to do it." That's one way to sin and feel justified in the disobedience produced. And once more: None of us are saved by anything but by Grace through Faith...
The Messiah is the schoolmaster and He obeyed the Spirit of the Torah but never dismissed the written part in any way. Sin is sin is sin, but when you confuse sin with your salvation it gives headaches to the whole house. I was wondering if we aren't to live blameless before YHVH in this existence? I was wondering how can we reason away the commandments and not be taken to task. The Messiah did say you are justified by your words and condemned by the same...
The Jews PROVED how impossible it is to be righteous by obeying the law.
Jesu's teachings if you try to treat them as laws are even MORE stringent.
I conclude then that anyone who claims they keep the commandments are not being quite honest...hey that's agin the law to start.
Jesu's teachings if you try to treat them as laws are even MORE stringent.
I conclude then that anyone who claims they keep the commandments are not being quite honest...hey that's agin the law to start.
wonderingjew
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Hebrew or Yehudim???
Hebrew or Yehudim???
I know this may seem like semantics but...I do agree that the "HEBREWS" collectively proved that establishing OUR own righteousness is not only impossible but we are fully expected to let the Messiah uphold the Torah in our hearts since we cannot. Remember Shaul (Paul) said he was a Benjamite, so keep in mind that every Jew is a Hebrew but every Hebrew is not a Jew.
I completely agree that the standard for us is now very stringent since the Ruach Ha'Kodesh is now writting Torah in our hearts. I was wondering if anyone recalls the Mitzvot that declares every king of Israel MUST write his own copy of the Torah by Hand? Heads up to those who dis-allow the Torah; We, our lives and hearts are the very parchment that Y'Shua is writing His upon. So those who reject Torah are rejecting the writing of the one and only "Lawmaker" Y'Shua.
I think the very writing of His hand are difficult for us and the scarred hand as it contacts our hearts it can be super overwhelming but all is not lost, He will finish what He started. I was wondering who wants to be found 'lawless' along with the 'lawless one' in these endtimes?
Hebrew or Yehudim???
I know this may seem like semantics but...I do agree that the "HEBREWS" collectively proved that establishing OUR own righteousness is not only impossible but we are fully expected to let the Messiah uphold the Torah in our hearts since we cannot. Remember Shaul (Paul) said he was a Benjamite, so keep in mind that every Jew is a Hebrew but every Hebrew is not a Jew.
I completely agree that the standard for us is now very stringent since the Ruach Ha'Kodesh is now writting Torah in our hearts. I was wondering if anyone recalls the Mitzvot that declares every king of Israel MUST write his own copy of the Torah by Hand? Heads up to those who dis-allow the Torah; We, our lives and hearts are the very parchment that Y'Shua is writing His upon. So those who reject Torah are rejecting the writing of the one and only "Lawmaker" Y'Shua.
I think the very writing of His hand are difficult for us and the scarred hand as it contacts our hearts it can be super overwhelming but all is not lost, He will finish what He started. I was wondering who wants to be found 'lawless' along with the 'lawless one' in these endtimes?
i have no knowledge of the "torah". only KJV, NIV type OT and NT Bible, but personally, i think jewish people take themselves too serious. overall, there is a general sense of jews thinking and acting like they are "special" or "chosen". that they are somehow closer to God and the Truth. it gets old. from what i understand, "jewish" people were historically nomadic, even before exodus. i don't know why i feel animosity and tension over Judiasm as the true Faith. Christianity supercedes Judiasm and is superior. basically, i disagree with jews, or anyone for that matter, who does not believe Jesus Is The Messiah, God on earth. it is Written - :king:
Letsargue
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Who told you All that?? Where did you read that??
The New Testament / Christ's Testimony IS The "ONLY" Place to find the TRUTH / CHRIST / - "The All Mighty GOD"!!! -- Not in the Old Testimony of the Father of CHRIST!!
(( Isaiah 9:6 KJV )) -- 6- "( For unto US a Child is Born ), ( unto US a SON is Given ): and the Government shall be upon HIS shoulder: and ( His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, ((( "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" ))), The Prince of Peace". --//-----
Paul, David -- 123114!!
I don't think you quite got it. The law for US has been nailed to the cross. We live by the power of His life.
If you will live by the law it will have it's effect on you.
Thou shalt not lust...immediately you start looking for lust in your members, it was dead, slain by the cross but you by trying to overcome it by obedience to it have brought it back to life....and how.
The Royal command, the King's command. The law of liberty, of freedom. law/freedom what a package is there. Love knows nowt about rules or regulations either.
...I think it is called a paradox.
Letsargue
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You don't think He quite GOT IT?????
Where did you GET What You have just said in both of you Nothings - HERE???
God hasn't said Anything You or he CAN USE to defend yourselves OR Your "god"!!!
The "SWORD of the Spirit is the Word of GOD"!! - What do any of you so called -- "christians" use to Defend YOUR GOD / SATAN???? -- ((( NOTHING Written by GOD )))!!!! Just garbage Satan Gave you to defend HIM!!!
Paul, David -- 123114
...you need to read the bible to find where I got it.....do you got a bible?
Letsargue
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I don't Read the False Truth given Only by the FALSE CHRIST!!! My God NEVER SAID That!!
Paul, David -- 123114!!
wonderingjew
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Sometimes I would like to hear you make a rational point since it is way better for the listeners for you tohave a point when you speak.:noway:
wonderingjew
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Special to Someone.
Special to Someone.
Hi P.J.
I do agree with you that Judaism is lacking and as Christianity should not be a branch of Judaism, I have found some disgusting practices in both religions. Don't worry too much about the feeling of superiority by either religion since we are only the servants and sons of YHVH and the "One new man" is all that really matters.
Recall history for a moment and recall how 'superior' the Church was toward Jews all through history even to the slaughter of Jews in droves. Believe me I had a lot of forgiving to do to even want to listen to what a Christian has to say. Collective memory or some weird spiritual stuff. How do you see the passage Romans 11:11-12? I would be blessed to hear your thoughts on this passage.
Special to Someone.
Hi P.J.
I do agree with you that Judaism is lacking and as Christianity should not be a branch of Judaism, I have found some disgusting practices in both religions. Don't worry too much about the feeling of superiority by either religion since we are only the servants and sons of YHVH and the "One new man" is all that really matters.
Recall history for a moment and recall how 'superior' the Church was toward Jews all through history even to the slaughter of Jews in droves. Believe me I had a lot of forgiving to do to even want to listen to what a Christian has to say. Collective memory or some weird spiritual stuff. How do you see the passage Romans 11:11-12? I would be blessed to hear your thoughts on this passage.
he scares me. but, wonderingjew, you make very good points, and i agree with alot of what you say. i never see a Torah laying round that i can read, but isn't it mostly the OT ? i certainly do not discout it or Judaism. i believe The Gospel of Christ supercedes it.
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