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  • Sherman
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    @David King Please do not link drop. It is against the rules of the forum.

    Also I did review the link. This is a presentation goes beyond Open View and says that Time is what always existed, not God. His adeas are a bit odd. But's he's free to dicuss them. Just keep the posts a bit smaller. Giant posts are hard to read on a monitor.

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  • Tambora
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    We have an entire section here at TOL for the Open View.

    http://theologyonline.com/forumdispl...-View-Theology

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  • David King
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    I welcome hearing your comments at the You-tube site mentioned above. Please visit my website at Link removed to read a lot more about how an eternal God with no beginning could have come into existence in the first place and yet STILL be eternal with ABSOLUTELY NO BEGINNING! This paradox is completely resolved by understanding that God is LIVING TIME, which means that somehow, an eternity ago, time itself became alive as four-dimensional LIVING SPACETIME, which is why Christ said, "I AM the BEGINNING and the END"---the LIVING PAST and the LIVING FUTURE. (Revelation 22:13)

    Since by definition, the first part of time itself that becomes alive, conscious and self-aware would naturally be considered the relative “present” (and therefore become the LIVING PRESENT—Jehovah/Jesus), then as this “aliveness” travels backwards and forwards in time like a wave on the ocean, spreading from the “present” into the eternal past and into the eternal future, then the rest of eternal time would naturally be divided into (and would therefore naturally become) the LIVING PAST and the LIVING FUTURE respectively (i.e. the Father and the Holy Spirit). But in addition, even though the LIVING PRESENT would be the first part of God to actually become "alive", as the "aliveness" of time travels backward into all eternity past, God (as the LIVING PAST) would eventually become completely alive TRILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE the LIVING PRESENT first became alive to begin with. And because this newly alive God is now alive throughout all past eternity and future eternity, we end up with a NEWLY ALIVE COMPLETELY ETERNAL GOD WITH NO BEGINNING AT ALL! Imagine that—a newly alive eternal God with ABSOLUTELY NO BEGINNING, all because the living being that is alive, is eternal time itself! And THAT is how an eternal God with no beginning could have come into existence in the first place and still have no beginning!

    As I said, "Only a non-living entity (like time itself) that is naturally eternal with no beginning that transitions into being alive can explain the origin of a living God who is likewise naturally eternal with no beginning. And, only a non-living entity composed of three inseparable parts (like time itself) that is naturally eternal with no beginning that transitions into being alive can explain the origin of a Trinity of three inseparable living beings who are likewise naturally eternal with no beginning."

    Please check out uniquebibleanswers.com to read about how and why the energy of time is actually the same as dark energy that can create and expand space----creating the structure of spacetime itself----and also read about the mechanism by which spacetime might have become alive, conscious, all-powerful and all-knowing.
    Last edited by Sherman; May 8th, 2017, 09:26 AM.

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  • David King
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    I have always believed that God is eternal with no beginning. But I myself have often wondered, "Where did God come from?" Well, I found a possible answer, the key to which involves God's relationship with time.

    I used to believe and teach that God is "outside of time". But I now realize that it is a logical impossibility for God to have created time in the first place, because creating time requires time to exist (during the creating) and not exist at that very same moment (during which, time still needs to be created because time does not yet exist). In other words, if time did not yet exist, in order for God to create time in the first place, a moment in time must already exist during which God recognizes his need to create time; a second moment in time must already exist during which God designs a plan to create time; and a third moment in time must already exist during which God implements his plan to create time, and all three of these moments in time must exist precisely during a time when time itself does not yet exist in order for time to still need to be created. And this unsolvable paradox doesn't disappear simply by claiming God is "outside of time", or God "transcends time", because no matter what dimension we imagine God to be in when God is "outside of time", God still cannot create time within that imaginary dimension unless time already exists in that imaginary dimension, because creating time in any dimension will always require time to exist and not exist at the very same moment in that very same dimension in that very same context, and thereby violate the Law of Non-Contradiction.


    Most Christians recognize that God could never have created HIMSELF because that would require God to exist and not exist at the same moment, which is a logical impossibility. Yet those same Christians who believe that God could never have created HIMSELF still believe that God could and did create TIME, even though creating time requires time itself to exist and not exist at the very same moment, which is also logically impossible for the same reason! So if God could never have created HIMSELF under any circumstances, then it should be abundantly clear that God could never have created TIME under any circumstances either. In fact, when a Christian claims that "God is outside of TIME" in order to provide an imaginary way for God to create TIME (a way that gets around the need for time to exist and not exist at the very same moment), this is no different than claiming that, "God is outside of HIMSELF" in order to provide an imaginary way for God to create HIMSELF (a way that does not require God himself to exist and not exist at the very same moment)!


    Not only is it impossible for an all-powerful God to have created time to begin with, but it turns out that an eternal God couldn’t even exist before the existence of time in order to create time to begin with, because no matter when God would create time, a truly eternal God would have already lived an eternity of time prior to that moment, otherwise he wouldn’t be eternal. But if God couldn’t have existed BEFORE time, then God had to come AFTER time, and so God must have come FROM time. Therefore, by default, God must be "LIVING TIME"----specifically, four dimensional, LIVING SPACETIME. Accordingly, the Trinity must be the LIVING PAST (the Father), the LIVING PRESENT (Jehovah/Jesus), and the LIVING FUTURE (the Holy Spirit).


    Since God could never have CREATED time (i.e. CREATED the BEGINNING), then Christ would never say, “I CREATED the BEGINNING…”. And since God could never have EXISTED before time (i.e. EXISTED before the BEGINNING), then Christ would never say, “I EXISTED before the BEGINNING…” But as LIVING TIME, Christ would literally BE the BEGINNING, so (in Revelation 22:13) it would be only natural for Christ to say, “I AM [literally] the BEGINNING…”--the LIVING PAST. It is if Christ were saying,


    “I AM [literally] the Beginning and the End"-—the Living Past and the Living Future. This is who and what I actually am and this is who and what the Trinity actually is—The Living Past, the Living Present and the Living Future. And since time itself is naturally eternal with no beginning, then I am likewise naturally eternal with no beginning, because I AM Living Time itself.


    Only a non-living entity (like time itself) that is naturally eternal with no beginning that transitions into being alive can explain the origin of a living God who is likewise naturally eternal with no beginning. And, only a non-living entity composed of three inseparable parts (like time itself) that is naturally eternal with no beginning that transitions into being alive can explain the origin of a Trinity of three inseparable living beings who are likewise naturally eternal with no beginning.


    If you are interested, I have created a detailed YOU-TUBE VIDEO EXPLANATION about this idea at
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApYO...ature=youtu.be


    And you can read more about this idea at link removed
    Last edited by Sherman; May 8th, 2017, 09:25 AM. Reason: Link dropping

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  • Letsargue
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    Originally posted by freelight View Post
    ~*~*~

    Reviving some older threads for the newbies

    Isn't 'God' wonderful?



    pj

    There can't be a beginning of God, the Savior to be, just the beginning of all other things to be saved.

    If Jesus was today, they would say that he had Asberger's!!
    Don't we all??

    Paul -- 030613

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  • freelight
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    ~*~*~

    Reviving some older threads for the newbies

    Isn't 'God' wonderful?



    pj

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  • freelight
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    Originally posted by Letsargue View Post

    JESUS!!

    Paul -- 041912
    Not sure 'how' that answers the question



    pj

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  • Letsargue
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    Originally posted by Mac_guy View Post
    So we get that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


    How did God come to be "In the beginning"?



    JESUS!!

    Paul -- 041912

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  • freelight
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    ~*~*~



    There is no 'from' or 'to' God, since God is Everywhere Being.





    pj

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  • Letsargue
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    Originally posted by garrett View Post
    What I have been told all my life is, God beyond everything.
    And our brains are made by Him, so we cant understand it fully.


    I think you missed the point just a little creation or so. -God the Father created the man and everything that the man was / WAS. - Jesus came along recreating a New Heaven and a New Earth, and a “NEW MAN”, “A NEW MAN”, not the old man; - he is done away with, and WE / The Christians, are made NEW CREATURES, after the pattern of the written Word. - The New Man has an upper chamber (as it were), patterned after the upper-room on the Day of Pentecost. – There dwells the Holy Ghost / Christ. - Not in the lower chamber, but the Upper. ---- NO! – NO! – The Lost doesn’t have that; they are under the OLD LAW, being without Christ in their heart’s upper chamber, - (Parable of it).

    Paul –060610

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  • garrett
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    What I have been told all my life is, God beyond everything.
    And our brains are made by Him, so we cant understand it fully.

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  • freelight
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    Omni-active One

    Originally posted by OMEGA View Post
    Let us look at the facts :

    God is Spirit.




    God sends Spirit
    God creates Spirit beings called Angels.
    - Bronze like Glowing Feet , Glowing Body, Radiating Energy.
    Ezekiel saw Jehovah, who became Jesus later.
    - Amber coloured person with Fire covering his lower half.
    God gave Jesus another body as seen in Rev 1.
    - Glowing Body, Firey Eyes, White clothes.
    God, the Father looks like a Sardine and Jasper Stone.
    -Rev 4:3
    Spirit can mean Wind. Wind is composed of Oxygen, Hydrogen GAS.
    Thus, the God Family is composed of some kind of Energized Radioctive
    Gas.
    Stars give off Radioactive Energy by Fusing Hydrogen and Helium.
    Indeed, all is derived, originated and extended from the One Original Spirit expressing in various forms and consistencies.

    Therefore, God must have been the Result of a Catastophic Gaseous Energy Release, Possibly the BIG BANG !!!
    'God' in his Incorporeal, Invisible, Indefinite, Infinite, Unconditioned BEING was before any creative movement or 'BB',...yet became more "definitive" within the creation of form, dimension, space/time...within the 'context' of 'relativity'. We have two aspects of 'God', the invisible(One Still Inertial Potential of existence, 'No-Thing') and the visible (the moving, organizing, informing, relational, creative aspect of Spirit-energy manifesting as 'every-thing'). God is before, behind and beyond all space/time creation, yet creation arises in God and is carried/contained in God while God is still greater as the infinite encompasser and MIND behind all.

    As to the question where did 'God' come 'from',...there is no answer... for no 'from' or 'to' exists where God is One and all - only the manifested or defined 'God' who relates and associates with the conditions of Creation (relativity) might be said to have had a 'beginning-point' within such associations of space/time relations, so that at the moment of the BB,....God became relational, defined, qualified, having attributes, qualities of a presumed 'Creator' or 'divine Personality' with 'form'....being 'relatable'.

    There is both Nirguna Brahman(God without name or form, attributes or qualities) and Saguna Brahman(God with name or form, with attributes and qualities). Yet still.....all that is formless and form-al....is of God, the One and Only Supreme Source and Originator of all....the Essential Reality from which no-thing and every-thing derives. There is only 'God' and the 'relationships' or paradoxes of existence that arise in God.



    pj
    Last edited by freelight; June 7th, 2010, 08:24 PM.

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  • OMEGA
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    Let us look at the facts :

    God is Spirit.

    God sends Spirit

    God creates Spirit beings called Angels.

    - Bronze like Glowing Feet , Glowing Body, Radiating Energy.

    Ezekiel saw Jehovah, who became Jesus later.

    - Amber coloured person with Fire covering his lower half.

    God gave Jesus another body as seen in Rev 1.

    - Glowing Body, Firey Eyes, White clothes.

    God, the Father looks like a Sardine and Jasper Stone.

    Which is a Transparent reddish brown .

    -Rev 4:3

    Spirit can mean Wind. Wind is composed of Oxygen and Hydrogen GAS.

    Stars give off Radioactive Energy by Fusing Hydrogen and Helium.

    Thus, the God Family is composed of some kind of Fused
    Energized Radiactive Gas.

    Therefore, God must have been the Result of
    a Catastophic Gaseous Energy Release,
    Possibly the BIG BANG !!!

    GOD IS A REAL GAS !!! LOL
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    Last edited by OMEGA; January 27th, 2010, 06:14 PM.

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  • serpentdove
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    Originally posted by Mac_guy View Post
    So we get that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


    How did God come to be "In the beginning"?
    Eternity (Isa. 57:15; Mic. 5:2; Ps 106:48). We can join him by repenting of our sins and trusting Christ.

    Hi Newbie. It's a pleasure to have you here (except for that Pinko Commie part).

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  • freelight
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    I Am

    Originally posted by Desert Reign View Post
    Causes and effects are not real things in themselves. This is why the assertion that God is an uncaused causer is meaningless. Causes and effects are the way we ourselves organise the world around us. Take my cat for example. Having studied her for a while, I am fairly convinced that she does not analyse events into causes and effects. But I am equally convinced that she does organise events into categories. So 'things that move on their own and are about so big are tasty.' It is possible to organise the world in other ways than cause and effect. Quantum dynamics suggests that causes are not absolute things either. The beauty of the world is what the world makes of itself and, likewise, the ugliness of it. When it comes to taking a moral position, then I cannot say better than Jesus: he is the way, the truth and the life. I know he existed and died and rose from the dead and is alive now and I know that the world makes sense with him in it. But beyond him I only see darkly. I know that the world needs to make sense of itself and the particular sense that Jesus makes of it cannot be bettered.
    Its all good

    Life is. - our adventure in the movements of life are our perceptions of it, an ongoing journey and translation of consciousness. Wonderful isnt it? 'God' is the origin, sustainer and transformer of all. There is only this 'Spirit' and its 'Awareness' in every dimension, form and beyond,....'this' is all there is.

    Tat tvam asi

    Om tat sat

    And who would have thought this was a back-alley discussion



    pj

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