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  • freelight
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    Originally posted by rexlunae View Post
    Well, yes, but I'm not just asking. I'm challenging the credulousness with which such a notion is accepted. Clearly, no one could testify to the existence of something that strikes you dead upon observation. So why take it so for granted? Who could possibly write an account of such a thing?
    - prolly not worth pursuing. It was a 'figure of speech'....a 'guess' on his part. As to the original thread inquiry, I think my former observations hold as to the hypothetical inquiry and presuppositions involved, let alone HOW Jesus would be properly identified

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  • rexlunae
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    Originally posted by freelight View Post
    Hi rexy

    I imagine you've gotten used to being 'disappointed' with various theists over the years, but have learned to roll with the punches
    Well, yes, but I'm not just asking. I'm challenging the credulousness with which such a notion is accepted. Clearly, no one could testify to the existence of something that strikes you dead upon observation. So why take it so for granted? Who could possibly write an account of such a thing?

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  • marhig
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    Originally posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Thanks for that verse in addition to mine, you just proved your own self wrong, since Christ says Himself He lays His own life down, no one took it from him.

    The rest of your post is ridiculous, just admit you were wrong.
    Why? I'm not wrong, when Jesus said greater love hath no man than this. That a man lay down his life for his friends. Did Jesus mean that if we love others then we have to die naturally for them?

    What do you believe that verse means?

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  • Angel4Truth
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    Originally posted by marhig View Post
    Unbiblical?

    Ok Can i ask you something?

    John 15

    This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

    Does this mean that if we love others, then we should be naturally crucified for them? What do you understand these verses to mean? Thanks
    Thanks for that verse in addition to mine, you just proved your own self wrong, since Christ says Himself He lays His own life down, no one took it from him.

    The rest of your post is ridiculous, just admit you were wrong.

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  • freelight
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    Answers begin to be discovered with more research....................

    Originally posted by rexlunae View Post
    I'm still a little disappointed I didn't get an answer.
    Hi rexy

    I imagine you've gotten used to being 'disappointed' with various theists over the years, but have learned to roll with the punches

    Perhaps it is that they dont really know besides the more obvious problem of even identifying Jesus if he appeared as an ordinary man, unless he comes by way of a supernatural wave of apocalyptic fervor and glory, on a white horse or cloud, that its only 'assumed' that everyone would know....."hey,...its Jesus!".

    So, I would refer back to my previous post noting scholars developing more stringent objective methodology for historical studies, which include examining if there is enough evidence to support a historical Jesus in the first place, and if a more mythical model or some other synthesis of probable happenings account for the gospel narratives and the development of Christianity as we know it etc.

    We come back to all this being merely 'hypothetical', and that there really is no contemporaneous evidence recorded about the Jesus of the gospels (that is by non-christian historians/recorders during Jesus life time and serveral decades later), OUTSIDE of the gospel stories themselves.

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  • rexlunae
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    Originally posted by rexlunae View Post
    How would you know?
    Originally posted by musterion View Post
    Guess.
    Originally posted by rexlunae View Post
    You saw him in his glory and are dead?
    I'm still a little disappointed I didn't get an answer.

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  • marhig
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    Originally posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Um let me correct this before you get more and more unbiblical:

    John 10:17The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”
    Unbiblical?

    Ok Can i ask you something?

    John 15

    This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

    Does this mean that if we love others, then we should be naturally crucified for them? What do you understand these verses to mean? Thanks

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  • Angel4Truth
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    Originally posted by marhig View Post
    If Jesus came again today as he did last time, the world, and those who claim to love God yet love their flesh before God, would put him to death again just as they did before..


    Um let me correct this before you get more and more unbiblical:

    John 10:17The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”

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  • marhig
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    Originally posted by meshak View Post
    Jesus says He will not come the same way.
    No he certainly won't, I'm talking hypothetically.

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  • meshak
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    Originally posted by marhig View Post
    If Jesus came again today as he did last time, the world, and those who claim to love God yet love their flesh before God, would put him to death again just as they did before,
    Jesus says He will not come the same way.

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  • marhig
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    If Jesus came again today as he did last time, the world, and those who claim to love God yet love their flesh before God, would put him to death again just as they did before, and have been doing since to those who bare witness to the truth starting with the apostles and in every generation since. And if they are not putting those who truly follow him to death, they are putting him to death within their own hearts, crucifying him afresh. Every time that they profess to love him with their lips, yet live by the lusts of their flesh, and not living by the will of God. Those who truly love Jesus will be doers of the word, and not hearers only giving just lip service. They live by the will of God, bringing forth the fruit of the Spirit and you will see the love of God and the life of Christ lived through them.

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  • freelight
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    Good question,....but complex................

    Originally posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 7th, 2013 05:00 AM


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    Of course such is a hypothetical question - so much would depend on the demograph and personal belief-system of each person reflecting their own condition and receptivity of 'Jesus', which is wholly beside the adjoining question of what 'version' of 'Jesus' you are referring to - AND, if it could even be determined if the subject is the 'Christ' spoken of in the gospels, again...hypothetically speaking.

    I've dived into some recent scholarly methodology and vigorous re-questioning of the historicity of Jesus and the mythicist view of the 'Christ-story', and will give a book report on Lataster's book 'Jesus did not exist - a debate among atheists' - for more on this see the recent posts in my 'cosmic cafe' thread here & here.

    Also with this inquiry must be considered the difference of modern day cultural-context in which a 'Christ-figure' would be received compared to the 'narrative-context' presented in the gospel stories, and other factors that may affect reception among different catagory-types of people within society...and thats just for starters

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  • musterion
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    Originally posted by TomO View Post
    Meet the new boss.
    Same as the old boss.
    ~Pete Townshend 1971
    Who?

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  • rexlunae
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    Originally posted by musterion View Post
    Guess.
    You saw him in his glory and are dead?

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  • musterion
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    Originally posted by rexlunae View Post
    How would you know?
    Guess.

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