IMJerusha
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This is true.
toldailytopic: Once a person is saved can they reject that salvation should they chan
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This is true.
Doormat
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glorydaz
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I always chuckle when I see the most important verses ignored the way you do here. :chuckle:
Heb. 10:39
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Because I have those things which accompany salvation. A heart purified by faith and the garments of salvation to cover me. Until you understand that, you will be ever seeking and never coming to the truth. You will be ever striving and never finding rest.
Isaiah 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
glorydaz
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Actually, whatever you say seems pretty unimportant...as you prove right here. If you ever really have anything to contribute, I'll certainly listen...until then....I consider you a waste of time. I'm sure you mean well, but you don't take any time to think before you engage your mouth (or fingers, as the case may be.)
You're not listening, too intently my friend! We sin in our, physical bodies!
This is not the point. The dualism is saving faith vs godless unbelief.
Disobeying God and fornicating is not the same as rejecting the existence of God, the gospel, the uniqueness of Christ, etc.
An atheist or a Christian (unbeliever vs believer) can both commit adultery.
Make an argument that makes sense. Sin is disobedience, selfishness, rebellion, missing the mark, wrong moral choice, etc., but unbelief is a specific sin contrasted with saving faith. It is doubting God to sin in the flesh, but anger, lying, lust is not identical to unbelief, apostasy, falling away. There is a difference between a Christian who loves Jesus, but has an isolated lapse into sin due to temptation followed by repentance and renewed obedience and a godless atheist who continually sins, blasephemes God, is not in relationship with Christ, etc. However, sin is sin, so to say that a Christian fornicating is not sin, but an atheist doing the exact same thing is sin is incongruent.
Many other Pauline verses talk to saints/believers and rebuke them for sinning like they used to as unbelievers. Paul corrected sin among the saints and did not say they were atheists, but saints (Corinthians, etc.). He even said some believers were being judged for sinning, even to death, consistent with God's words in Heb. 12 about disciplining believers who sinned (not atheists, but they also are judged, but as God to creature, not Father to child like Heb. 12).
All I'm scratching, is my head, wondering why you refuse to believe the truth when you hear it! Actually, I know! It's because you have no Spiritual discernment!
IMJerusha
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Now you're wanting to qualify believers? A believer in Yeshua is a believer in Yeshua whether Jew or Gentile. Hebrews was written to a community of Jewish Christians under a great deal of pressure to return to the Law and the sacrifice system.
You know what accompanies salvation?...fruit of Ruach HaKodesh. And without out those "things", we are cut off and thrown into the fire to be burned. Yeshua's words. Paul's words.
Truth is refreshing, and your particular truth is like a cold glass of water during a heatwave!
Doormat
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I've ignored nothing. You're just delusional, looking for any way to justify your continuing, wilful sins. Hebrews 10:26-29 proves you are toast.
And those that wilfully sin are the ones who "draw back unto perdition," which is why they are toast per Hebrews 10:26-29.
If you still sin, you don't (1Jn 3:6). Rather, you are just a delusional fool.
If you still sin, you have neither.
Say what you want about me, but you are toast per Hebrews 10:26-29 because you still wilfully sin.
What's wrong, you don't like Ezekiel?
Ezekiel 18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.
Rom. 6:13-16 The person sins with their bodies. Exchanged Life or perfectionist views that say that we don't sin in our spirit, but our bodies sin, are artificial dissection of the whole being. In our view, there is no moral responsibility. It is also like the specious argument that Christians can be demon possessed in their bodies, but not in their spirits.
Sin involves mind and will and is expressed through our bodies/flesh (apt metaphor for sin). It is not true that Jesus is deaf, dumb, blind or that our bodies sin, but we do not (if the real person leaves the body, it is like a sock puppet without a hand).
Too many Christians have adopted nonsensical views because they don't think critically beyond a baby level or listen to teachers who have not really thought things through.
This book deals with these Christian cliches that are anti-intellectual and unbiblical:
http://www.amazon.com/Questions-All-Your-Answers-Religion/dp/0310287588
Exegetical fallacies are also a big problem with pop vs biblical theology:
http://www.amazon.com/Exegetical-Fallacies-D-Carson/dp/0801020867
Hebrews was pertaining to the, House of Israel!
Birds of a feather flock together....you like it because it agrees with you and tickles itching ears, not because it is true.
Woe to those who give false assurance to apostates with manmade vs biblical teaching because they were once saved instead of calling them to renewed repentant faith.
Are you MAD? Hebrews was the gospel contextualized for Jewish Christians just as Romans was the same gospel (Magna Carta-like) contextualized for Gentiles (and Jews). There is only one vs two true NT gospels. Nice try to rationalize away inspired Scripture that contradicts your error.
Shank also shows the Pauline verses (not just the ones MAD rejects) against OSAS.
That would be difficult for her, if not impossible!
Doormat
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Proverbs 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.
Doormat
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You don't seem to be bothered by that when Glorydaz uses Hebrews to claim something about herself. No surprise.
It's a good thing nobodies listening to you!