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  • Originally posted by Doormat
    How does open theism explain God's apparent detailed knowledge of the future?
    Originally posted by Clete View Post
    Predictive.
    If God could observe in detail what we call the future, would that completely undermine open theism?

    Originally posted by Clete View Post
    The better question is how does Calvinism explain the several prophesies in scripture that did not come to pass.
    I'm not a Calvinist so I can't answer that.

    Can you show me the prophesies you're thinking of?
    So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.

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    • Originally posted by Nick M View Post
      That is only because you hedge your answers. And you are the worst at not coming out and saying with all your links to other people's thoughts. Here is a two part question for Mr Religion.

      1. Does God desire all men to be saved?

      2. Are all men saved?

      Are you expecting an ( Answer ) from here??

      He has ( NEVER ) answered Me on anything. There is a burning bush to dance around.

      Paul -- 041313
      ---Gal. 4:16.
      ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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      • Open theism denies EDF, so that is a distinctive. It is not the only truth.
        Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

        They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
        I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

        Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

        "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

        The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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        • Open Theism is also a way of rulz to show somebody losing salvation because the future is open.
          Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

          Titus 1

          For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

          Ephesians 5

          11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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          • Originally posted by Nick M View Post
            Open Theism is also a way of rulz to show somebody losing salvation because the future is open.
            Most non-Calvinistic Arminians who reject OSAS because of free will views are not Open Theists. Are you sure you can handle an amateur theology site?
            Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

            They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
            I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

            Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

            "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

            The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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            • Since God is not all knowing [as they suppose] it is quite possible that He is not the only God as He says, maybe there is a greater one who yet hides Himself, perhaps He will null and void all the promises of scripture..
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              • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                Since God is not all knowing [as they suppose] it is quite possible that He is not the only God as He says, maybe there is a greater one who yet hides Himself, perhaps He will null and void all the promises of scripture..
                Seriously? Why reject a view you do not understand or cannot explain?

                God is all-knowing not ignorant of anything knowable (some things are inherently unknowable). He knows the past and present exhaustively. He is clear in Isaiah that there are no other gods before or after Him. He knows none. You are implying he is ignorant of past or present reality. This is NOT what Open Theism teaches. He is also intelligent and sovereign and knows that no other gods would form since He alone is Creator and eternal. If there was another eternal God, He would have always known this. Your objection is lame.

                God is also faithful to His Word. This is character, not crystal ball. You underestimate His great intelligence and knowledge and power. Foreknowledge also offers no providential advantage because God could not change the fixed future even if He wanted to (would make His FK false).

                You are giving a knee-jerk reaction, not one that involves basic critical thinking and understanding of opposing views. You are also blind to the problems with your own view.

                Yours is not an Open Theism objection (there are better ones) because it makes no sense and is a total straw man argument. Get familiar with the literature (for and against Open Theism) before you take pot shots (if you want credibility to speak).
                Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                • If there is a greater than God who yet keeps Himself hidden from Jahweh...this would be unknowable by God...even Jahweh hides Himself, to me it is one of His more remarkable miracles.

                  My dear William you yourself seem engaged here with "unknowables" I am merely tickling your ears further.
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                  • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                    Since God is not all knowing [as they suppose] it is quite possible that He is not the only God as He says, maybe there is a greater one who yet hides Himself, perhaps He will null and void all the promises of scripture..


                    It is not the position of the open view that God is ignorant of such things.

                    It is, however, my firm position that you are completely ignorant of a great many things.
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                    • I choose to be so

                      I choose to be ignorant of some posters too... I choose what to fill my mind with, and I choose not to fill it with open view theology.

                      Some people could be persuaded that God is a apple pie.
                      Last edited by Totton Linnet; April 24th, 2013, 07:43 PM.
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                      • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                        I choose to be so

                        Then may the devil bless you his way!!!

                        Paul -- 041913
                        ---Gal. 4:16.
                        ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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                        • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                          I choose to be so
                          Obviously
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                          • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                            I choose to be so

                            I choose to be ignorant of some posters too... I choose what to fill my mind with, and I choose not to fill it with open view theology.

                            Some people could be persuaded that God is a apple pie.
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