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What is it about the resurrection that is so complete for Israel that Paul could be allowed to say what he did in Acts 13:32+?
ECT The Resurrection Question that terminates D'ism
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Singular promise.
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Israel wanted an enthroned Messiah, and they got it!
2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.
This is not some spiritual throne in heaven.
It is not GOD's throne in heaven.
This is an earthy throne on earth.
The earthly throne of David was occupied by both righteous and wicked men.
GOD's throne in heaven was never occupied by wicked men.
You will run into several problems like this when trying to combine them as the same throne.
GOD's heavenly throne is not the earthly throne of David.
This is not some spiritual throne in heaven.
It is not GOD's throne in heaven.
This is an earthy throne on earth.
The earthly throne of David was occupied by both righteous and wicked men.
GOD's throne in heaven was never occupied by wicked men.
You will run into several problems like this when trying to combine them as the same throne.
GOD's heavenly throne is not the earthly throne of David.
Luke 1:32-33 KJV
(32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
(33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The throne of His father, David, is not the throne of His Father (God the Father).
(32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
(33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The throne of His father, David, is not the throne of His Father (God the Father).
Hi and since this promise was fulfilled in verse 33 HOW that terminate dispensationalism ??
Especially in the view of 2 Cor 3:13-16 and Luke 13:6-9 !
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Sounds right until Peter declares what is going on in Acts 2:30. Lk 24:26 set the stage.
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The fulfilled promise of the resurrection and enthroned Messiah and his mission on earth is all the remained to be delivered to Israel; it was then Israel's task to be missionaries of that. About 210 were ready by the time of Pentecost, and then it was open to anyone at all who believed/feared God.
D'ism is trying to say that there needs to be another episode of a Davidic theocracy with the worship system operating in Judea, even if with Christ as King/Priest. There is not. It was referring to the living temple of the Christian community and each person as an ongoing living sacrifice, Rom 12:1.
He WOULD raise Him up to sit on His throne. Would
Here we go again...the term promise is a mistranslation. It should be pre-evangelism. It was first delivered to Adam and then to the fathers and prophets until He who was and is the evangelism came and delivered the power to establish it.
Acts 2:30 KJV
(30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his [David] loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his [David] throne;
David's throne was earthly.
Christ never needed to become man to sit on His heavenly Father's throne.
But He did need to become man to sit on His earthly father's throne.
They are not the same thrones.
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You need to update the features acc. to the prophets. It wasn't going to be the same old thing; that served its purpose in David's generation, Acts 13. The worship system and land was given to them, with the huge HOWEVER of Acts 7 that God does not dwell in such things.
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You sayin' God don't dwell in test tube babies?
Hi and Israel was set aside and that is why His disciples were questioning as to when the Kingdom would be RESTORED , in Acts 1:6 !!
All of Acts 2:18-19 " I WILL " is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE and these events will happen during the Beginning of the Tribulation Rom 11:26 !!
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You need to update the features acc. to the prophets. It wasn't going to be the same old thing; that served its purpose in David's generation, Acts 13. The worship system and land was given to them, with the huge HOWEVER of Acts 7 that God does not dwell in such things.
One, the promise there is singular: the righteousness Christ has made possible.
Two, Israel has fallen by then, and their Prophesied mission has been delayed.
Three, again, what now remains on the table at that point in Acts is the righteousness the Cross has availed.
Four, for had Israel not fallen, then said righteousness would have availed them access to all the promises said righteousness would have then allowed them access to, as Prophesied, and also, towards their mission, etc., see Acts 3.
Five, the righteousness being offered remained as an offer but was now being offered to both Jew and Gentile without distinction (Acts 9 compared with Acts 15 and Galatians 1) because said righteousness is a key feature within both aspects of God's Two-Fold Purpose: Prophecy and Mystery.
Six, you have proven nothing other than that you remain clueless about why Paul actually went to the Jew first, as well as to the fact that when he states in Acts 13, "lo we turn to the Gentiles" God had already been dealing with Gentiles through Paul, etc., and so it does not mean what it only appears to mean, there, in chapter 13.
Nevertheless o ever clueless one, Rom. 5:8.
There is, that I know of, no statement in scripture saying that God had "plan B" in case Old Covenant or physical Israel rejected Christ. In dispensationalism Plan B would be to delay the fulfillment of the raising up of physical Israel, kata sarka, or after the flesh, as a kingdom of God. But Romans 11: 1-5 says that God used a remnant of Old Covenant Israel to begin the Everlasting New Covenant with.
Isaiah mentions the Everlasting Covenant seven times, in 42:6; 49:8; 54:10, 55:3, 56:4,6; 59:21, 61:8.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them...." Ezekiel 36: 26-27. 37:26
Since the Old Covenant was done away with (II Corinthians 3: 7, 3: 11, Hebrews 10: 9), then the covenant which is to be everlasting is the New Covenant. Isaiah 61: 8, supported by Jeremiah 32: 40, Jeremiah 50: 5,Ezekiel 16: 60 and Ezekiel 37: 26.
Hebrews 13: 20-21 talks about The "... blood of the everlasting covenant, make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight" The New Covenant is everlasting, not a temporary "dispensation," which is to give way to another dispensation of law for the people of the physical bloodline in some future time.
Isaiah mentions the Everlasting Covenant seven times, in 42:6; 49:8; 54:10, 55:3, 56:4,6; 59:21, 61:8.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them...." Ezekiel 36: 26-27. 37:26
Since the Old Covenant was done away with (II Corinthians 3: 7, 3: 11, Hebrews 10: 9), then the covenant which is to be everlasting is the New Covenant. Isaiah 61: 8, supported by Jeremiah 32: 40, Jeremiah 50: 5,Ezekiel 16: 60 and Ezekiel 37: 26.
Hebrews 13: 20-21 talks about The "... blood of the everlasting covenant, make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight" The New Covenant is everlasting, not a temporary "dispensation," which is to give way to another dispensation of law for the people of the physical bloodline in some future time.
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made up
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Correct. God had one multi purpose plan for the entire universe, and executed it wonderfully.
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