ECT The Freemason and Dispensationalist Connection

[Tambora]

Who? Moses? Yeah, he was a literalist.

Yep.
Wasn't trying to turn the sure word of GOD into some spiritual karma Utopian fantasia cult nonsense.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

this forum has way to many generalizationists who don't really learn how to talk.

the irony...

 

[musterion]

Darby referenced Free Masonry, but at the same time claimed to not be associated with it:

"It is not of man. Christ is divine "wisdom" for us: God has made foolish the wisdom of this world, but "we speak wisdom among them that are perfect." He has "abounded towards us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known unto us the mystery of his will." (See Eph. 1: 8-10.) The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry, I do not know anything about it because I am not initiated." -
"Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

For someone who claimed to not be initiated with it, he sure appeared to understand it:

"Supposing we were a body of Freemasons, and a person were excluded from one lodge by the rules of the order, and instead of looking to the lodge to review the case, if it was thought to be unjust, each other lodge were to receive him or not on their own independent authority, it is clear the unity of the Freemason system is gone. Each lodge is an independent body acting for itself. It is in vain to allege a wrong done, and the lodge not being infallible; the competent authority of lodges, and the unity of the whole, is at an end. The system is dissolved. There may be provision for such difficulties. All right if it be needed. But the proposed remedy is the mere pretension of the superiority of the recusant lodge, and a dissolution of Freemasonry." -
"On Ecclesiastical Independency", The Collected Writings of J. N. Darby, John Nelson Darby. Edited by William Kelly. London : G. Morrish, [1867-1900?] 34 vol. ; 8o. vol. 14. p. 305.

And?

We understand preterism better than you ever understood dispensationalism, yet we are not preterists.

Stupid.

 

[Danoh]

And when they gang up on us, but are dead wrong, you often defend them and even ally with them, confirming them in error out of what can only be spite for us.

No, o incompetent and extremist - I am merely following Paul's example of conceding a valid point regardless of source, Titus 1:12-13.

 

[Interplanner]

Yep.
Wasn't trying to turn the sure word of GOD into some spiritual karma Utopian fantasia cult nonsense.

What an awful description of "in Christ." In Christ is explained in Eph 1, Col 1, Heb 1-2, Phil 2. In him all the promises of God are "yes and amen" 2 Cor 1. In Christ "all that was promised to the fathers has been fulfilled in the resurrection", Acts 13, on the destiny of Israel.

Spiritual karma fantasy?

 

[tetelestai]

And?

This thread is about dispensationalism and free masonry.

I provided two quotes about free masonry from the guy who invented dispensationalism.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

 

[Danoh]

This thread is about dispensationalism and free masonry.

I provided two quotes about free masonry from the guy who invented dispensationalism.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

You - who too often "one size fits all" as being one and the same.

 

[musterion]

This thread is about dispensationalism and free masonry.

I provided two quotes about free masonry from the guy who invented dispensationalism.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

I understand it just fine.

The problem is, your chosen quotes in no way indict or even suggest he was a Mason.

What you tried to do is no different than, say, accusing me of being a Calvinist when I explain various tenets of Calvinism. Or accusing Danoh of being MAD. The illogic is astoundingly stupid, even for you, with your already exemplary and prodigious history of stupid, what with your insane failed attempt to link him with Crowley. Who next, Marx?

 

[tetelestai]

The problem is, your chosen quotes in no way indict or even suggest he was a Mason.

I didn't say Darby was a mason. I even provided Darby's own quote stating that he wasn't a mason.

However, Darby had a knowledge of masonry. One could argue that Darby took the mason's methods of secrecy and knowledge and applied it to his Dispensationalism.

Most of the hardcore Dispies I know all think that through knowledge, they can learn secrets and mysteries in the Bible, and in doing so, make themselves higher in rank than other Christians who don't know such mysteries.

Aliester Crowley's father was a contemporary of Darby, and a member of the Plymouth Brethren. Crowley invented the Satanic religion of Thelema. Thelma consists of time periods called aeons.

Crowley took Darby's time periods of dispensations, and created aeons.

So, it's not out of the question that Darby took the Free Mason's levels of secrets obtained by knowledge, and mysteries, and applied it to his Dispensationalism.

Darby himself even said so:

"The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry" - Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

As we see above, Darby claimed that only the "initiated" understand God's mysteries. Then he said "as in Freemasonry".

Scary stuff.

 

[Interplanner]

I didn't say Darby was a mason. I even provided Darby's own quote stating that he wasn't a mason.

However, Darby had a knowledge of masonry. One could argue that Darby took the mason's methods of secrecy and knowledge and applied it to his Dispensationalism.

Most of the hardcore Dispies I know all think that through knowledge, they can learn secrets and mysteries in the Bible, and in doing so, make themselves higher in rank than other Christians who don't know such mysteries.

Aliester Crowley's father was a contemporary of Darby, and a member of the Plymouth Brethren. Crowley invented the Satanic religion of Thelema. Thelma consists of time periods called aeons.

Crowley took Darby's time periods of dispensations, and created aeons.

So, it's not out of the question that Darby took the Free Mason's levels of secrets obtained by knowledge, and mysteries, and applied it to his Dispensationalism.

Darby himself even said so:

"The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry" - Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

As we see above, Darby claimed that only the "initiated" understand God's mysteries. Then he said "as in Freemasonry".

Scary stuff.

Tet,
'thelema' is 'will.' There was also an occult 'Vril' society ('vril' is German? for 'will') and that was the sense Neitzsche used. A person must simply will something into existence, and the strongest will must rule; there is no other sensible politic to them. Of course, it is proto-Nazi, and they had the conception that the Jews were the weakest-willed, and deserved to be eliminated.

 

[Danoh]

I didn't say Darby was a mason. I even provided Darby's own quote stating that he wasn't a mason.

However, Darby had a knowledge of masonry. One could argue that Darby took the mason's methods of secrecy and knowledge and applied it to his Dispensationalism.

Most of the hardcore Dispies I know all think that through knowledge, they can learn secrets and mysteries in the Bible, and in doing so, make themselves higher in rank than other Christians who don't know such mysteries.

Aliester Crowley's father was a contemporary of Darby, and a member of the Plymouth Brethren. Crowley invented the Satanic religion of Thelema. Thelma consists of time periods called aeons.

Crowley took Darby's time periods of dispensations, and created aeons.

So, it's not out of the question that Darby took the Free Mason's levels of secrets obtained by knowledge, and mysteries, and applied it to his Dispensationalism.

Darby himself even said so:

"The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry" - Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

As we see above, Darby claimed that only the "initiated" understand God's mysteries. Then he said "as in Freemasonry".

Scary stuff.

No, knucklehead.

You might as well assert the same about Paul whenever he uses an example from a possibly pagan practice as his means of making one point or another...

1 Corinthians 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

I swear - you're bad as Hybrids on here like Musterion and company - ever seeing an enemy where there isn't one :chuckle:

 

[musterion]

I didn't say Darby was a mason.

You implied it.

"For someone who claimed to not be initiated with it, he sure appeared to understand it"

You are as honest as pond slime.

 

[dodge]

musterion;5021165]You implied it.

SO you don't even believe what Darby himself said ?

Darby himself even said so:

"The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry" - Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

 

[Danoh]

SO you don't even believe what Darby himself said ?

Darby himself even said so:

"The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry" - Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

Stick to defending Trump over in Politics - where your being wrong doesn't matter :chuckle:

 

[dodge]

Stick to defending Trump over in Politics - where your being wrong doesn't matter :chuckle:

You're wrong 95 % of the time so why are YOU here ?

MAD is:stuck:in error.

 

[tetelestai]

You might as well assert the same about Paul whenever he uses an example from a possibly pagan practice as his means of making one point or another...

There's a big difference.

Darby invented Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is built on the premise of a secret parenthetical dispensation that was a mystery that was kept hidden.

That's right out of the Freemason's playbook.

Moreover, Dispies teach that unless someone understands this secret parenthetical dispensation, they are unable to "rightly divide" the scriptures, and will never grow in knowledge.

Again, right out of the Freemason's playbook.

So, while Darby claimed to not be a Freemason, he sure knew a lot about Freemasonry, and the Dispensationalism that he invented, sure does have the fingerprints of Freemasonry on it.

 

[john w]

There's a big difference.

Darby invented Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is built on the premise of a secret parenthetical dispensation that was a mystery that was kept hidden.

That's right out of the Freemason's playbook.

Moreover, Dispies teach that unless someone understands this secret parenthetical dispensation, they are unable to "rightly divide" the scriptures, and will never grow in knowledge.

Again, right out of the Freemason's playbook.

So, while Darby claimed to not be a Freemason, he sure knew a lot about Freemasonry, and the Dispensationalism that he invented, sure does have the fingerprints of Freemasonry on it.

Catholics, Jesuits, Church of Christ members, "invented" your satanic, cult Preterism/AD 70-ism/Replacement "theology," you devil boy, admitted Catholic, satanist.

 

[tetelestai]

"The divine revelation of all God’s thoughts and intentions is in Christ; "the wisdom of God in a mystery," which word means what only the initiated understand: as in Freemasonry" - Deliverance from the Law of Sin", Collected Writings. vol 32. p. 339.

Yep.

 

[john w]

Yep.

Catholics, Jesuits, Church of Christ members, "invented" your satanic, cult Preterism/AD 70-ism/Replacement "theology," you devil boy, admitted Catholic, satanist.

Are you an anti-Semite, you unemployed, admitted Catholic, gay boy? Answer the question, you loser, divider, punk?

 

[Hobie]

The Freemason and Dispensationalist Connection

In the history of the Southern Baptist Convention - or denomination - during the late 19th century and through the 20th century, many of its male members were both Freemasons and dispensationalists. However, the denomination did not become totally dispensationalist until the sixties when the preacher of the First Baptist Church of Dallas,, W.A. Criswell, led the Convention to become totally dispensationalist. Criswell soon led the Southern Baptist denomination to get rid of its old doctrine of the priesthood of the believer because under dispensationalism, the preacher must rule the members.

The Southern Baptists are not the only Evangelicals to follow dispensationalism and to have many male members who are Freemasons. Some of the wives are members of the Masonic women's organization, the Eastern Star.

See: https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/03/freemasons-control-most-protestant-sects.html

"Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Rick Warren, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell and Robert Schuller were all high ranking Freemasons as are their present day successors like T.D. Jakes. We know the Catholic Church has been subverted but we need to be reminded that the same applies to Protestants, and especially Evangelicals."

Remember that Stephen Sizer wrote a history of dispensationalism which he called Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon,2009, Inter-Varsity Press.

Sizer has other writings on the topic of Christian Zionism, such as ."Christian Zionism: The New Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace". Middle East Monitor. Retrieved 1 August 2013..

"At least one in four American Christians surveyed recently by Christianity Today magazine said that they believe it is their biblical responsibility to support the nation of Israel. This view is known as Christian Zionism. The Pew Research Center put the figure at 63 per cent among white evangelicals. Christian Zionism is pervasive within mainline American evangelical, charismatic and independent denominations including the Assemblies of God, Pentecostals and Southern Baptists, as well as many of the independent mega-churches. It is less prevalent within the historic denominations, which show a greater respect for the work of the United Nations, support for human rights, the rule of international law and empathy with the Palestinians."

"The origins of the movement can be traced to the early 19th century when a group of eccentric British Christian leaders began to lobby for Jewish restoration to Palestine as a necessary precondition for the return of Christ. The movement gained traction from the middle of the 19th century when Palestine became strategic to British, French and German colonial interests in the Middle East. Proto-Christian Zionism therefore preceded Jewish Zionism by more than 50 years. Some of Theodore Herzl’s strongest advocates were Christian clergy.
Christian Zionism as a modern theological and political movement embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism."

"Burgeoning Christian Zionist organizations such as the International Christian Embassy (ICEJ), Christian Friends of Israel (CFI) and Christians United for Israel (CUFI) wield considerable influence on Capitol Hill, claiming a support base in excess of 50 million true believers. This means there are now at least ten times as many Christian Zionists as Jewish Zionists."

See: http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/05/understanding-christian-zionism-and-its.html

"Freemason John Nelson Darby is regarded as the Father of Dispensationalism and its prodigy, Christian Zionism. It was Freemason Cyrus. I. Scofield and D. L. Moody, who brought Darby’s sectarian theology into mainstream evangelical circles. R. C. Sproul stated that dispensationalism is now ‘...a theological system that, in all probability, is the majority report among current American evangelicals."

The article with the link shown above refers to this source for the claim that John Nelson Darby was not only a Freemason but also was an agent of the Rothschild-owned British East India Company, is this: John Coleman, How Conspirators Misuse Christian Fundamentalists (white paper) (Carson City, Nev.: World in Review, 2003), 4.

John Darby said that the "Church has sought to settle itself here, but it has no place on the
earth... [Though] making a most constructive parenthesis, it forms no part of the regular order of God's earthly plans, but is merely an interruption of them to give a fuller character and meaning to them..."

John. N. Darby, 'The Character of Office in The Present Dispensation'
Collected Writings., Eccl. I, Vol. I, p. 94.

"Them" are all physical Israel, or Old Covenant Israel. The church, for Darby exists mainly to "give fuller character and meaning to all physical Israel."

John Darby and then C.I. Scofield and Lewis S. Chafer said that when the dispensation of grace is over then God will return to a dispensation of law and again raise up and work with the people of the physical bloodline.- of the Old Covenant.

John Darby says, that in dispensationalism the Church is a mere "Parenthesis" and Israel - Old Covenant Israel of the bloodline - is to reign in the future, but II Corinthians 3: 7-11, and Hebrews 10: 9 say the Old Covenant was done away with - and in the Old Testament Haggai 2: 9 says "The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former. saith the Lord of hosts..."

See: http://truthseeker-archive.blogspot.com/2010/11/jewish-satanic-origins-of-freemasonry.html

"JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1903, Vol. 5, page 503: "The technical language, symbolism, and rites of Masonry are full of Jewish ideas and terms."

In Morals and Dogma,Albert Pike admits that the source of Freemasonry's doctrines ultimately goes back to the Kabbalah, a Jewish book of occult knowledge:

"All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Kabalah and return to it; everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of all the Illuminati, Jacob Boeheme, Swedenborg, Saint Martin, and others, is borrowed from the Kabalah: all Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and their Symbols." (Morals and Dogma, p 744)

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1643.cfm

"Therefore, the first understanding we want you to grasp is that Freemasonry is absolutely, completely, 100% devoted to the Solomon Temple, without which the entire structure and foundation of Freemasonry would die! Thus does Masonry stand in stark contrast to genuine, Biblical Christianity. In other words, Freemasonry is rooted at its deepest foundation to the First Covenant of the Old Testament, while Biblical Christianity is rooted to the Second Covenant of Jesus Christ as delineated in the New Testament."

"Mackey makes this fact quite clear also: "Masonry has derived its temple symbolism, as it has almost all its symbolic ideas, from the Hebrew type ..." [Ibid] Since the Old Testament was written originally in the Hebrew, and the New Testament in the Greek, Mackey is clearly stating that Freemasonry is rooted in the Old Testament!"

Yet the admission of top Masons that Freemasonry is under the influence of the Kaballah shows that Masonry is rooted in the Kaballah and in the Talmud.

The emphasis in Freemasonry on the rebuilding of Solomon's temple can be seen as a metaphor for building a world wide Masonic kingdom, both political and religious. Rebuilding the temple of Solomon might also be seen to be metaphoric for the rebuilding of the Mason himself along the lines of the Kaballah. But Freemasonry is run from the top, and most Masons in the local lodges do not know much about that top elite of Freemasonry.

The Masonic absorption in rebuilding Solomon's Temple as a metaphor for creating a Masonic kingdom, or New World Order, has some roots in the Kaballah.

A Kabbalist of the 1500s, Isaac Luria, writes about the
olam ha-tohu, or realm of confusion, and the olam ha-tikkun, the realm
of restoration, which is the Kaballistic version of the millennial kingdom,
the world empire to come ruled by the Kaballists.

Freemasonry was organized in Europe some time around the 16th century, and now is a network of at least six million "brothers" around the world. Many leaders including American presidents have been involved in Masonry. Although some parts of Freemasonry are secret, this society is really a front organization controlled by a religious power, need to dig deep to uncover it.