ECT Do those who believe MAD have no problem disregarding what Jesus actually taught ?

Nang

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In the letter of Acts, Luke begins recording of the unfolding of prophecy regarding the offer of the Davidic Messianic Kingdom to national Israel.
The nations/gentiles were to be blessed through the rise of Israel as head of the nations under her Messiah, according to prophecy.
Israel, as a nation did not submit to her promised Messiah, thus failing to carry the good news of the Messianic Kingdom to the nations.
Thus, Christ from heaven, raised up Paul with a commission to the nations(which included Israel as just one of the nations on equal ground) with the good news of the cross and the pure grace of GOD.
Luke demonstrates in his chronology a transition from a prophesied plan for Israel's rise under Messiah and the preaching and demonstration of signs by the twelve to a mystery administration under the Apostle Paul to the nations/gentiles as Israel fell and was set aside....now, for two thousand years.

The prophesied Messianic Davidic Kingdom of heaven will be restored to a regathered Israel in the land in GOD's timing when the fullness of the nation/gentiles has been accomplished.

This is not truth. This is delusion and false teaching that is man-centered, not Christ-centered.

The Davidic Covenant (promise to King David of an everlasting kingdom and seed to sit on his throne) was totally fulfilled in the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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Lots of souls are saved and fulfill the ministry of faith, without being called to perform baptisms.

The reality of a variety of Christian callings, does not nullify the command to baptize all believers in the name of Triune God.

Denial of the sacraments, which manifest the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is serious error.

It is nothing less than a denial of the Gospel altogether, and inventing another gospel message does not excuse your rebellion against Christ's teachings and commands.

The religious get angry if you mess with their rituals.
 

Nang

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You obviously have not understood from Scripture itself what the purpose of water baptism is for within God's Covenant with Israel.

Temple priests were baptized in order to officiate temple offerings.

Jesus Christ, fulfilled all righteousness by being baptized to act as High Priest, and offer Himself for the sins of His people.

This is the heart of the Gospel message, and when Christ's church practices the sacrament of baptism, they repeat and manifest this good news before the eyes of the world.

Our Christian baptism is our witness to the one Gospel message that has the power to save.
 

Tambora

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Not 2 different messages 2 different groups of people JEWS AND GENTILES.
Two different missions by two different selected teachers.

Paul was sent to the gentiles to share the gospel.
The gospel of the uncircumcision.

Peter was sent to the Jews to share the gospel.
The gospel of the circumcision.

Same message 2 different groups of people.
Two different gospels (gospel of circumcision & gospel of uncircumcision).
Not only are the gospels distinguished from each other, but the groups they are to be taught to are distinguished from each other also.
gospel of circumcision - Jews
gospel of uncircumcision - Gentiles

Scripture plainly teaches that God is not a respecter of folks and to create 2 different gospels makes God a respecter of folks !
There can hardly be any doubt that GOD placed Israel above other nations.
Scripture is chock full of GOD separating Israel from other nations and, placing His own name specifically on them ---- the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob --- The GOD of Israel.

There was a respect of persons in the kingdom gospel of the circumcision.
There is no respect of persons in the grace gospel Paul taught.

Matthew 10:5-7 KJV
(5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


That's not sounding like "no respect of persons", now is it?
 

dodge

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In the letter of Acts, Luke begins recording of the unfolding of prophecy regarding the offer of the Davidic Messianic Kingdom to national Israel.
The nations/gentiles were to be blessed through the rise of Israel as head of the nations under her Messiah, according to prophecy.
Israel, as a nation did not submit to her promised Messiah, thus failing to carry the good news of the Messianic Kingdom to the nations.
Thus, Christ from heaven, raised up Paul with a commission to the nations(which included Israel as just one of the nations on equal ground) with the good news of the cross and the pure grace of GOD.
Luke demonstrates in his chronology a transition from a prophesied plan for Israel's rise under Messiah and the preaching and demonstration of signs by the twelve to a mystery administration under the Apostle Paul to the nations/gentiles as Israel fell and was set aside....now, for two thousand years.

The prophesied Messianic Davidic Kingdom of heaven will be restored to a regathered Israel in the land in GOD's timing when the fullness of the nation/gentiles has been accomplished.


I agree with all of your post except:

raised up Paul with a commission to the nations(which included Israel as just one of the nations on equal ground) with the good news of the cross and the pure grace of GOD.

Jesus taught GRACE
Peter taught Grace
John taught GRACE

Was the message of GRACE hidden by God for a time until He WAS READY TO REVEAL THE " MYSTERY" AND UNDERSTANDING OF grace ? YES, AS SCRIPTURE SAYS:however, PAUL TAUGHT NO NEW MESSAGE, GRACE WAS RECORDED IN THE OT ALSO.


Again give me 1 teaching that Jesus taught or even implied that shows 2 different gospel messages 1 for Jews and a different 1 for gentiles.

2 different group of people SAME MESSAGE of GRACE.
 

Danoh

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Not 2 different messages 2 different groups of people JEWS AND GENTILES.

Paul was sent to the gentiles to share the gospel.

Peter was sent to the Jews to share the gospel.

Same message 2 different groups of people.

Scripture plainly teaches that God is not a respecter of folks and to create 2 different gospels makes God a respecter of folks !

The two different groups are not Jews and Gentiles.

Rather, two different groups comprised of both.

Israel over the Gentiles on the Earth, as God's kingdom of Priests one day, as Prophesied; is one group.

The other is the Body of Christ, comprised of formerly lost Jews and Gentiles (this side of Israel's fall, and temporary setting aside) to reign over the Heavenly host, one day.

Neither are the same.

Neither are a replacement of the other.

And neither are in response to the failure of the other.

Rather, each is in accord with each's respective due time within what turned out - with the raising up of Paul - a Two-Fold Purpose on God's part.

Why Paul?

Why another, one Apostle too many to Israel's Twelve?

Twelve Tribes/Twelve Apostles

One Body/One Appstle.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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Lots of souls are saved and fulfill the ministry of faith, without being called to perform baptisms.

The reality of a variety of Christian callings, does not nullify the command to baptize all believers in the name of Triune God.

Denial of the sacraments, which manifest the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is serious error.

It is nothing less than a denial of the Gospel altogether, and inventing another gospel message does not excuse your rebellion against Christ's teachings and commands.

You should talk? You follow the teachings of John Calvin.
 

Tambora

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Lots of souls are saved and fulfill the ministry of faith, without being called to perform baptisms.

The reality of a variety of Christian callings, does not nullify the command to baptize all believers in the name of Triune God.

Denial of the sacraments, which manifest the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is serious error.

It is nothing less than a denial of the Gospel altogether, and inventing another gospel message does not excuse your rebellion against Christ's teachings and commands.
IT cannot be denied that Paul says he was not sent to baptize, and thanked GOD that he baptized nobody but two guys.
 

heir

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Lots of souls are saved and fulfill the ministry of faith, without being called to perform baptisms.
The point of 1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV is exactly as right there and you are missing it!

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

At some point in Paul's ministry, Christ sent him not to baptize! The 12 could never had said such a thing!
The reality of a variety of Christian callings, does not nullify the command to baptize all believers in the name of Triune God.
There is one baptism today and it is not performed by man (Ephesians 4:5 KJV)!
Denial of the sacraments, which manifest the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is serious error.
Upholding philosophy after the traditions of men spoils (Colossians 2:8 KJV).

It is nothing less than a denial of the Gospel altogether, and inventing another gospel message does not excuse your rebellion against Christ's teachings and commands.
It's 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV!
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Temple priests were baptized in order to officiate temple offerings.

Jesus Christ, fulfilled all righteousness by being baptized to act as High Priest, and offer Himself for the sins of His people.

This is the heart of the Gospel message, and when Christ's church practices the sacrament of baptism, they repeat and manifest this good news before the eyes of the world.

Our Christian baptism is our witness to the one Gospel message that has the power to save.



Yeah, Calvinism.
 

steko

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This is not truth. This is delusion and false teaching that is man-centered, not Christ-centered.

The Davidic Covenant (promise to King David of an everlasting kingdom and seed to sit on his throne) was totally fulfilled in the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.


For me to believe as you would require me to believe that GOD altered His promise to David throughout Scripture.
I can't do that and nowhere do I find that He did.
 

dodge

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Tambora;4817940]Two different missions by two different selected teachers.

Yep, with the SAME message GRACE.

The gospel of the uncircumcision.

The gospel of the circumcision.

Same GOSPEL !

Two different gospels (gospel of circumcision & gospel of uncircumcision).
Not only are the gospels distinguished from each other, but the groups they are to be taught to are distinguished from each other also.
gospel of circumcision - Jews
gospel of uncircumcision - Gentiles

Jews were raised under the Mosaic law the gentiles were NOT.

Anyone saved is saved through GRACE. There are NOT 2 different gospel messages.


There can hardly be any doubt that GOD placed Israel above other nations.
Scripture is chock full of GOD separating Israel from other nations and, placing His own name specifically on them ---- the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob --- The GOD of Israel.

There was a respect of persons in the kingdom gospel of the circumcision.
There is no respect of persons in the grace gospel Paul taught.

There are non Jewish folks in the OT and NT that were saved by GRACE before Jesus rose from the dead, again God is no respecter of folks.

Matthew 10:5-7 KJV
(5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


All in God's timing ! Same message different folks.



That's not sounding like "no respect of persons", now is it?


Act 10:34

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Act 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


Still waiting for where JESUS taught or implied 2 different gospels.
 

dodge

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The two different groups are not Jews and Gentiles.

Rather, to different groups comprised of both.

Israel over the Gentiles on the Earth, as God's kingdom of Priests one day, as Prophesied; is one group.

The other is the Body of Christ, comprised of formerly lost Jews and Gentiles (this side of Israel's fall, and temporary setting aside) to reign over the Heavenly host, one day.

Neither are the same.

Neither are a replacement of the other.

And neither are in response to the failure of the other.

Rather, each is in accord with each's respective due time within what turned out - with the raising up of Paul - a Two-Fold Purpose on God's part.

Why Paul?

Why another, one Apostle too many to Israel's Twelve?

Twelve Tribes/Twelve Apostles

One Body/One Appstle.

I love , respect and believe what Paul wrote but like Paul I follow Jesus. I have 1 High Priest and Apostle and His name is Jesus NOT Paul.


Heb 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
 
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