ECT Do you see All, Some, None of the Spiritual Gifts in Operation Today?

[Psalmist]

I also used to attend an assemblies of God pentecostal church with a girlfriend of mine,
they were more concerned about me wearing makeup and jewelry
and teaching me how to learn to speak in tongues
than they were about teaching me what salvation and freedom in Christ is.

:thumb: Correct, Assemblies of God; they are often referred to Assembly of God which is a splinter group.


That is the truth, you know let's look like the world and be Bertha-Better-Than-You, and put on a fashion show and who knows what else. :roses: each:


:listen: I've seen that more than once.


That should be first and foremost, Salvation and Freedom in Christ. oly: ​

 

[Nick M]

I was old enough to understand them telling me too that makeup was a sin, that i couldnt cut my hair, and that the only jewelry that was allowed by God was a watch and a wedding ring and that women were required to wear dresses all the time.

Paul doesn't have a laundry list of requirements. Only modesty.

 

[Nick M]

There are modern reports of all these things.

So is it demonic? Because you said it isn't one of the gifts.

Raising the dead is NOT a listed gift.

You are a con artist, and not a very good one. I hope you are a better EMT.

 

[godrulz]

I said no such lie. I said the church that did that to me was assemblies of God, you created the rest in your feigned outrage.




I dont care what their website says, i know what church i was at, and what they did.



I reject the things you say also and you say you are assemblies of God, thats enough for me to know its not for me.

I am not AOG. I associate with PAOC (www.paoc.org).

 

[godrulz]

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Paul Preached the Gospel, Tulip Truth is part of the Gospel, pretty simple !

Paul preached the risen Christ. He did not preach the distinctive TULIP doctrines that were not even heard of for centuries later.

 

[Bright Raven]

I believe the gifts are still in operation to some extent but do not force my views on anyone

 

[andyc]

Hey, arrogant North American idiot. GFA has much integrity and the founder lives in Texas. Just because they are brown does not mean the miracles are not well documented and checked out by arrogant Americans. These things also happen here, but to a lesser degree thanks to people with massive unbelief influenced by the spirit of the age, self-sufficient Americans who barely need or want God, etc. You have bought into a lie and prefer a scientific, naturalistic worldview over a biblical one. They have more need and openness and do not grieve and quench the Spirit like too many here do.

:thumb:

 

[andyc]

Yes there is a WEALTH of evidence but as when Jesus raised Lazarus people do not wish to see it....if they believed it they would have to put an end to their backsliding ways.

Absolutely!

 

[S0Z0]

Hi S0Z0!

What kind of charismatic church were you involved with? What led you to leave it?

Non-denominational. Every well known charismatic evangelist, pastor, teacher, celebrity in the country would speak there. I became very active in working with many in the movement.

I left it because their teachings were not consistent with what the Bible teaches (separate baptism of the Holy Spirit, healings, prophecies, apostles, etc).

 

[Guyver]

Some. But there are probably more in operation in other places.

Ephesians Chapter 4 makes it clear that there's no such thing as cessationism.

"Till we all come to the unity of the faith"

When has the Christian church ever been unified?

Is anyone around here a perfect man?

Anyone around here just like Jesus?

"And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love."

 

[JesusFan]

Acts recorded the working of the Holy Spirit in ways NOT norm for now, as was in the transistion era between Covenants, was establishing jesus as Lord for both Jews/Gentiles!

Tongues fulfilled prophets Joel/Isaiah, healings sign to witness to messiah Jesus, and the Apostles/prophets of NT era had revelatory aspects, giving forth doctrines, confirming doctrines etc NOT same today!

 

[godrulz]

Acts recorded the working of the Holy Spirit in ways NOT norm for now, as was in the transistion era between Covenants, was establishing jesus as Lord for both Jews/Gentiles!

Tongues fulfilled prophets Joel/Isaiah, healings sign to witness to messiah Jesus, and the Apostles/prophets of NT era had revelatory aspects, giving forth doctrines, confirming doctrines etc NOT same today!

This is sheer assumption not demanded by the text. Acts is transitional and selective history/historical narrative. There is no hint that these things would be rescinded at the start vs end of the Church Age (I Cor. 12-14 didactic). You beg the question, assume what you try to prove, without evidence from the text (I Cor. 13 proof text does not negate the 3 whole chapters).

 

[JesusFan]

Do you hold that God has given to saints today the gifts to physically heah, do miracles, and to speak/teach prophetic words for today than?

 

[Psalmist]

Do you hold that God has given to saints today the
gifts to physically heah,
do miracles, and to
speak/teach prophetic words for today than?

Physical healing? Yes. James 5:14-15, 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

Do miracles? I believe we cannot limit God and put God in a box and say no God not today, that would be foolish, I believe that somethings can only come by prayer and fasting. (Matthew 17:21, Mark 9:29)

Speak/teach prophetic word for today? I believe that Jesus was the last prophetic word (Hebrews 1:1-2) to man and closed it out His revelation to John. As for prophetic word, foretelling (prophecy) what the scripture gives is it, some fulfilled, some being fulfilled and some yet to be fulfilled; I believe that Joel 2:28 is valid as well. Forth-telling is to me the affirmation, assurance and reassurance, and encouragement from God's word and prophecy from God's word that is already given. However if the God wants to do a new thing He says He will or that He can, Isaiah 43:19.

I also believe there will be another great awaking before the Second Coming of Jesus.​

 

[godrulz]

Do you hold that God has given to saints today the gifts to physically heah, do miracles, and to speak/teach prophetic words for today than?

The gifts are given to the church and are not resident in individuals. Yes, tongues, prophecy, healing, words of knowledge/wisdom, gifts of giving, faith, administration, teaching, etc. are for today. Perhaps you have a misunderstanding of the nature and use of gifts?

 

[This Charming Manc]

The gifts of the spirit are clearly for today in scripture and clear in my church experience.

If you remove the gifts from the christian experience you have to say that the gospels most of acts and good chunk of Pauls the letters are not for today also. Which is aposition i refute.

However I would warn against dodgy guys, with fake smiles, white suits and bad toupes.

Seriously gifts performed on stages by 'christian superstars' to make themselves seems important or more spitritual than us just sucks, and is full of fakery and forgery.

I would also say much pentecostal preaching and doctrine is flawed, and doesnt stand up to good biblical interpretation.

I also would suggest many cessationist actually manifest the gifts of the spirit as I understand them, but are incomfortable with the charismatic/pentecostal labels and langauge used for the above reasons.

Where would you stand on this issue?

 

[Totton Linnet]

Non-denominational. Every well known charismatic evangelist, pastor, teacher, celebrity in the country would speak there. I became very active in working with many in the movement.

I left it because their teachings were not consistent with what the Bible teaches (separate baptism of the Holy Spirit, healings, prophecies, apostles, etc).

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You mean they preached the bible....yes that does irk some.

 

[beloved57]

Paul preached the risen Christ. He did not preach the distinctive TULIP doctrines that were not even heard of for centuries later.

Yes, Paul preached what now a days is called Tulip, as His Gospel, changing it to the name of man is not going to change that !

 

[Nick M]

The gifts of the spirit are clearly for today in scripture and clear in my church experience.

Raise a dead guy, win yourself a free house. Think of how long you could get by communaly, since you claim that is how you live.

 

[oatmeal]

What gifts?

Eternal life? Romans 6:23. Yes,

Gift of Holy Spirit? Acts 2:38 Yes

Gift of righteousness? Romans 5:17. Yes.

Gift of salvation? Ephesians 2:8-9. Yes.

Gifts of ministries? Ephesians 4:8,11. Yes.

oatmeal

What?

No rebuttal?

oatmeal