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  • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    There was no flood, because evolution.
    There's no evidence for a flood because a global flood would have mixed all of the species together. Instead there's a pattern of fossil ancestors in the same place as their living descendants and similar but non-identical species living on separate continents. Your beloved hydroplate "theory" posits a giant continent with everything living together. How we got to specific groups of plants and animals living on different continents and islands isn't explained by any YEC ideas. Or why bringing them back together suddenly causes such problems. If all species were living on one continent just a few thousand years ago, they should all get along fine!

    Because...
    Because they'd be underwater and being underwater kills plants, especially saltwater. Plants with a broader distribution might be a bit more likely to survive. But a literal year long global flood would kill probably a majority of plant species that are apparent today.

    Why do distant tiny islands have far more unique species than the mainland? If the islands were all connected just a few thousand years ago, and if only God creates new species directly and only during the creation week, how can such unique organisms exist?


    Tree cabbage found only on Robinson Crusoe island.
    “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



    - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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    • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
      It's hilariously funny when people say things like that. No, you cannot. You are the typical bluff and bluster type.
      Step 3. As cells become more specialized, eventually they develop simple tissues and shape into hollow tubes to form a gut.

      Living Examples: Cniderians and placozoa


      Step 4. Cells and tissues continue to specialized, organisms become larger and start to require simple organ systems. Primitive hearts, gills, excretory systems appear.

      Living examples: The various worm phyla: flatworms, nematodes, annelids. Annelids (earthworms) are the most complex of these.

      “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



      - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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      • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
        Step 3. As cells become more specialized, eventually they develop simple tissues and shape into hollow tubes to form a gut.

        Living Examples: Cniderians and placozoa


        Step 4. Cells and tissues continue to specialized, organisms become larger and start to require simple organ systems. Primitive hearts, gills, excretory systems appear.

        Living examples: The various worm phyla: flatworms, nematodes, annelids. Annelids (earthworms) are the most complex of these.

        Let's assume your position is true, for a moment.

        How do you explain trochlea formation?



        Could you roughly describe how this came to be?

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        • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
          Not blustering.

          Step one we begin with a eukaryotic cell. Such cells begin to stick together in colonies. There are a handful of cell surface proteins that can do this.

          Living example:

          Choanoflagellate

          Step 2. Some of the stuck together cells begin to specialize - this is the beginning of an organism rather than a collection of cells.

          Living example: Sponges
          More hand waving and pounding the podium. Funny stuff.

          When they "begin to specialize", do they go to a trade school or how does that work?
          All of my ancestors are human.
          Originally posted by Squeaky
          That explains why your an idiot.
          Originally posted by God's Truth
          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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          • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
            Step 3. As cells become more specialized, eventually they develop simple tissues and shape into hollow tubes to form a gut.

            Living Examples: Cniderians and placozoa


            Step 4. Cells and tissues continue to specialized, organisms become larger and start to require simple organ systems. Primitive hearts, gills, excretory systems appear.

            Living examples: The various worm phyla: flatworms, nematodes, annelids. Annelids (earthworms) are the most complex of these.

            More fairy stories based on making the dream come true as opposed to actual evidence.

            Like I said, bluff and bluster.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
              A global flood would have mixed all of the species together.
              Like in a blender?

              There's a pattern of fossil ancestors in the same place as their living descendants and similar but non-identical species living on separate continents.
              No, there's not.

              Your beloved hydroplate "theory" posits a giant continent with everything living together. How we got to specific groups of plants and animals living on different continents and islands isn't explained by any YEC ideas.
              Except that it is.

              Or why bringing them back together suddenly causes such problems.
              What brought who back together when?

              If all species were living on one continent just a few thousand years ago, they should all get along fine!
              Because: Reasons!

              They'd be underwater.
              Because plants can't float.

              Being underwater kills plants.
              Except it doesn't necessarily.

              A literal year long global flood would kill probably a majority of plant species that are apparent today.
              That's nice. Would it have killed the plants that what we see today came from?

              Why do distant tiny islands have far more unique species than the mainland?
              Some don't.
              Predator-prey relationships.

              If the islands were all connected just a few thousand years ago, and if only God creates new species directly and only during the creation week, how can such unique organisms exist?
              He didn't create species. He made kinds.
              Where is the evidence for a global flood?
              E≈mc2
              "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

              "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
              -Bob B.

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              • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                Because plants can't float.
                They have roots and are stuck to the ground . . .

                Except it doesn't necessarily.
                It does, aside from some plants that are adapted to it, which is not many compared to what we have alive today. Had some massive, nearly yearlong flooding near my home. Lots of dead brown plants left behind.

                That's nice. Would it have killed the plants that what we see today came from?
                Oh so you do believe in evolution!

                Some don't.
                Most of them that are very isolated and sufficiently old do, which is what evolution predicts.

                Predator-prey relationships.
                That's not an explanation.
                “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



                - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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                • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                  There's no evidence for a flood because a global flood would have mixed all of the species together.
                  That may have been true at first, but there's this thing called liquifaction that can sort layers of sediment, and things within the sediments.

                  Instead there's a pattern of fossil ancestors in the same place as their living descendants and similar but non-identical species living on separate continents.
                  There's not.

                  Also, at least according to the HPT, the earth rolled as it rotated, which is why there were tropical plants found in the mouths of mammoths found in Siberia.

                  Your beloved hydroplate "theory" posits a giant continent with everything living together.
                  A giant continent?

                  Well, no.

                  Rather the theory posits that the crust of the earth was a complete shell around the entire earth, with chambers of water beneath, and seas, not oceans, on the surface of the crust.

                  Something like this (not to scale):



                  How we got to specific groups of plants and animals living on different continents and islands isn't explained by any YEC ideas.
                  To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. - Genesis 10:25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

                  I'm not too sure on the time frame so I'd have to bit of research on it, but even hundreds of years after the flood, the continents were still settling after being raised up (which is why there was an ice age after the flood), and as they settled, the sea level was rising. During that period, the ocean levels were low enough that there were natural land bridges between most of the continents and islands. That's how the animals got there. The species we see today in those remote environments are the descendants of those creatures.

                  Or why bringing them back together suddenly causes such problems.
                  Not sure what you mean, here.

                  What do you mean, "causes such problems"?

                  If all species were living on one continent just a few thousand years ago, they should all get along fine!
                  Because you say so?

                  Because they'd be underwater and being underwater kills plants, especially saltwater. Plants with a broader distribution might be a bit more likely to survive. But a literal year long global flood would kill probably a majority of plant species that are apparent today.
                  It wouldn't kill the seeds, though. And that's what matters.

                  Why do distant tiny islands have far more unique species than the mainland? If the islands were all connected just a few thousand years ago, and if only God creates new species
                  Kinds != species

                  See the Peleg verse above.

                  directly and only during the creation week, how can such unique organisms exist?
                  Not one creationist will deny that species can adapt to their environment. The animals we see today in such remote environments are adapted for life in those environments.


                  Tree cabbage found only on Robinson Crusoe island.
                  What does this have to do with anything?
                  Last edited by JudgeRightly; September 19th, 2019, 09:58 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                    They have roots and are stuck to the ground.
                    You're supposed to be a botanist and you've had your hand held through this conversation before.

                    Plants float. Trees float. Foliage floats. In a global flood, enormous amounts of vegetation would have been — guess what — floating. Enough so that mats of it could have carried entire ecosystems.

                    It does, aside from some plants that are adapted to it, which is not many compared to what we have alive today.
                    It does except for when it doesn't.

                    What we have alive today is not what was alive then.

                    Had some massive, nearly yearlong flooding near my home. Lots of dead brown plants left behind.
                    That's nice.

                    Oh so you do believe in evolution!
                    Nope.

                    Darwinists are so desperate for confirmation that they call everything evolution.

                    Most of them that are very isolated and sufficiently old do, which is what evolution predicts.
                    Nope. You're just making this up as you go, aren't you?

                    That's not an explanation.
                    Of course it is.
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • Pretty interesting to see how a professed lover of God dismisses the word of God time and time again for the word of finite, sinful, man. The profession of love for God gets thinner and thinner with every post.

                      The Bible tells us that without faith it is impossible to please God. I ask, how much faith in God is expressed in dismissing God's word in favor of men's suppositions and assertions? What I see is the assertion, time and time again, that nature is autonomous from God and that God has nothing to do with nature. It just goes to prove that evolution and creation are mutually exclusive religions for creation insists upon supernatural miracles in the creation of all life forms and evolution insists that there were no miracles, just odds against the theory of evolution being true so large that no professional gambler would think of wagering they would happen. When the odds against something reach a million or so to one professional gamblers tell us it's an impossibility. When odds reach 1 to 102000000000 sane people refuse to bet their lives against such odds. Evolutionists insist that those types of odds were overcome, not once, but innumerable times and literally stake their lives on it. Why is it staking their lives on it? Because only faith in God insures that we will be redeemed. Distrust of both God and His word insures just the opposite as lack of faith equals no salvation. The Bible is exceeding clear on that.

                      There is still time to turn around, Alate, and seek God and His mercy. He will forgive if you repent. The guarantee of that is the death of Jesus.
                      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                      “One and God make a majority.”
                      ― Frederick Douglass

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                      • Originally posted by Bradley D View Post
                        Science often changes.

                        Evolution

                        1.
                        the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

                        Evolution is defined as the process of growth and development or the theory that organisms have grown and developed from past organisms. ... An example of evolution is the theory started by Charles Darwin that theorizes about how humans came to be in their present form.

                        Where is the link between man and ape?

                        Missing link, hypothetical extinct creature halfway in the evolutionary line between modern human beings and their anthropoid progenitors.
                        No, that's wrong. It's not "missing links"; it's "missing lynx." And they've found it:

                        Lynx issiodorensis, sometimes called the Issoire lynx, is an extinct species of lynx that inhabited Europe during the late Pliocene to Pleistocene epochs, and may have originated in Africa during the late Pliocene. It is named after the town of Issoire where the first remains were found. It probably became extinct during the end of the last glacial period.[1]

                        It is generally considered as the ancestor of all four species of lynx alive today. Its skeleton resembled that of living lynxes, but it had shorter and more robust limbs, with a larger head and longer neck. As a result, the Issoire lynx more closely resembled a typical member of the cat family than do its extant descendants.

                        In 1945, another lynx species, Lynx shansius, was described based on fossils from Asia. However, in 1984 a reexamination of the L. shansius material determined it to be synonymous with L. issiodorensis.[2]

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_issiodorensis

                        Glad we could clear that up.

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                        • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          For those that reject evolution, why do whales have fingers in their flippers?
                          People reject the nonsense you call "evolution" because, um, it's nonsense.

                          Since whales have no hands, whales have no fingers. See, fingers are parts of hands, and flippers are not hands. Since flippers are not hands, flippers have no fingers. Since flippers have no fingers, the bones component to flippers are not finger bones.

                          The question is, why do you play make-believe that whales have fingers in their flippers?


                          Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          Why do fossil whales have hind legs?
                          Why beware the jubjub bird?
                          Why shun the frumious bandersnatch?

                          Show us a video of a fossil whale swimming around, please.

                          Show us a video of a fossil whale tying on his shoes with his fingers.
                          All my ancestors are human.
                          PS: All your ancestors are human.
                          PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                          • ^ And he accuses me of trolling.

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                            • Originally posted by User Name View Post
                              ^ And he accuses me of trolling.
                              Calling out you Darwin cheerleaders on your nonsense language games, and your make-believe tales, is trolling??
                              All my ancestors are human.
                              PS: All your ancestors are human.
                              PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                              • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                                No, that's wrong. It's not "missing links"; it's "missing lynx." And they've found it:

                                Lynx issiodorensis, sometimes called the Issoire lynx, is an extinct species of lynx that inhabited Europe during the late Pliocene to Pleistocene epochs, and may have originated in Africa during the late Pliocene. It is named after the town of Issoire where the first remains were found. It probably became extinct during the end of the last glacial period.[1]

                                It is generally considered as the ancestor of all four species of lynx alive today. Its skeleton resembled that of living lynxes, but it had shorter and more robust limbs, with a larger head and longer neck. As a result, the Issoire lynx more closely resembled a typical member of the cat family than do its extant descendants.

                                In 1945, another lynx species, Lynx shansius, was described based on fossils from Asia. However, in 1984 a reexamination of the L. shansius material determined it to be synonymous with L. issiodorensis.[2]

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_issiodorensis

                                Glad we could clear that up.
                                Many animals have become extinct because of changes in climate and humankind. Unfortunately, many animals ar facing extinction today. Also that does not convince me of human evolution.

                                "generally considered" is theory.

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