All for whom Christ died will be reconciled to God !

[beloved57]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we sha​ll be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died will also be saved by His Life !

These truths here make it plain that Christ didn't die for every individual as its falsely proclaimed today.

Its a fact from scripture that all men without exception will not be saved by Christs Life as its promised here for them Christ died for !

 

[Nanja]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we sha​ll be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died will also be saved by His Life !

These truths here make it plain that Christ didn't die for every individual as its falsely proclaimed today.

Its a fact from scripture that all men without exception will not be saved by Christs Life as its promised here for them Christ died for !

Amen Brother, we know that Reconciliation to God is Salvation, meaning those which have been Saved from the penalty of their sins by Christ's Death on their behalf are in the Favor of God even while being His enemies Rom. 5:9-10 and unbelievers.

Now others who have not been reconciled to God by the death of His Son are condemned already and permanently remain under His Wrath John 3:18, 36.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

That's how we know from Scripture that not all men shall be saved by Christ's Life, for many are not reconciled to God, so as a consequence they shall pay the wages Rom. 6:23 for their own sins in the lake of fire; which is the second death Rev. 21:8 !

 

[Bright Raven]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we sha​ll be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died will also be saved by His Life !

These truths here make it plain that Christ didn't die for every individual as its falsely proclaimed today.

Its a fact from scripture that all men without exception will not be saved by Christs Life as its promised here for them Christ died for !

You do not believe 1 John 2:2

1 John 2:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

 

[beloved57]

Amen Brother, we know that Reconciliation to God is Salvation, meaning those which have been Saved from the penalty of their sins by Christ's Death on their behalf are in the Favor of God even while being His enemies Rom. 5:9-10 and unbelievers.

Now others who have not been reconciled to God by the death of His Son are condemned already and permanently remain under His Wrath John 3:18, 36.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

That's how we know from Scripture that not all men shall be saved by Christ's Life, for many are not reconciled to God, so as a consequence they shall pay the wages Rom. 6:23 for their own sins in the lake of fire; which is the second death Rev. 21:8 !

Thank God for your logic guided by the word of God !

 

[beloved57]

Notice Paul says that these believers were reconciled to God by His Sons death even while they were being enemies or unbelievers. Read it Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now if this be true, then these believers were reconciled to God by Christs death before they were actual believers or had faith in Christ !

 

[Nanja]

Thank God for your logic guided by the word of God !

Always Thanking and Praising Him for that great Privilege He has given us 2 Thess. 2:13 !

 

[Nanja]

Notice Paul says that these believers were reconciled to God by His Sons death even while they were being enemies or unbelievers. Read it Rom 5:10

10 [FONT=&]For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now if this be true, then these believers were reconciled to God by Christs death before they were actual believers or had faith in Christ ![/FONT]

So true, even before they knew anything about Christ or having faith in Him, and while being unconverted and His enemies, God's Elect were already reconciled to Him by Christ's Death on their behalf.

 

[k0de]

You do not believe 1 John 2:2

1 John 2:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

The doctrines of limited, and unlimited atonement are absolutely garbage. It creates tension when there's no need. Real Christians know that God’s love is infinite, and that Christ’s power and love is infinite. This dilemma is a false one created to fulfill the lies and lust of one own misunderstanding.

 

[Bradley D]

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost" (Luke 19:10).

"A quiet rebuke to the Pharisees and priests and their followers, who would limit the redeemed" (Pulpit Commentary}.

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him" (John 3:17).

"This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners...(1 Timothy 1:15).

"For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" (Matthew 18:11).

 

[beloved57]

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost" (Luke 19:10).

"A quiet rebuke to the Pharisees and priests and their followers, who would limit the redeemed" (Pulpit Commentary}.

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him" (John 3:17).

"This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners...(1 Timothy 1:15).

"For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" (Matthew 18:11).

You care to discuss the OP and what is stated with Rom 5:10 ?

 

[Bradley D]

These truths here make it plain that Christ didn't die for every individual as its falsely proclaimed today.

I am dicussing it. I do not believe in cutting and pasting scripture to make it say what I want it to.

 

[Bright Raven]

Christ died for all even though all will not accept the sacrifice.

 

[Nang]

Christ died for all even though all will not accept the sacrifice.

You are claiming it is the sole perogrative of the human will to be saved or not.

If the sovereign will of God is so thusly discarded in the determination of the salvation of men, then I would contend that due to the TOTAL depravity of the heart, mind, and soul of all mankind, that not a single soul would ever choose to accept the sacrifice of Christ.

 

[Bright Raven]

You are claiming it is the sole perogrative of the human will to be saved or not.

If the sovereign will of God is so thusly discarded in the determination of the salvation of men, then I would contend that due to the TOTAL depravity of the heart, mind, and soul of all mankind, that not a single soul would ever choose to accept the sacrifice of Christ.

No, that is what you are saying. God is sovereign! He determines through His omniscience who is saved and who is not saved. He and He alone determines who will be saved and who is not saved. Only those who are chosen by God's will answer the call to salvation. This has already been predetermined.

 

[Nang]

No, that is what you are saying. God is sovereign! He determines through His omniscience who is saved and who is not saved. He and He alone determines who will be saved and who is not saved. Only those who are chosen by God's will answer the call to salvation. This has already been predetermined.

Agreed!

But Christ died for those predestined by Him for salvation, alone

Jesus Christ did not suffer nor remit the sins of reprobate unbelievers who reject and spit upon the reality and accomplishments of His death.

 

[Bright Raven]

Agreed!

But Christ died for those predestined by Him for salvation, alone

Jesus Christ did not suffer nor remit the sins of reprobate unbelievers who reject and spit upon the reality and accomplishments of His death.

Yes!

 

[Nang]

It comes down to this:

What makes the death of Christ efficacious?

His purposes & promise or sinners’ choices?

 

[beloved57]

It comes down to this:

What makes the death of Christ efficacious?

His purposes & promise or sinners’ choices?

His purposes, promise, power. People fail to understand and believe that Christ and Him Crucified is also the Power of God 1 Cor 1:18,24

[FONT=&quot]For the preaching [/FONT]of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

[FONT=&quot]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the [/FONT]power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

[Nanja]

His purposes, promise, power. People fail to understand and believe that Christ and Him Crucified is also the Power of God 1 Cor 1:18,24

[FONT="]For the preaching [/FONT][/COLOR][B]of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the [B]power [B]of [B]God.

[/B][/B][/B][/B][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the [/FONT]power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Exactly Brother. In order for the Gospel [Christ and Him Crucified] to be the Power of God, the Spirit and Preaching must be combined, or else it comes in word only:

1 Thes. 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.


For it's the Spirit that gives the Word of the Gospel spoken of in 1 Cor. 1:18, 24 its Power to work effectually in them that are Believing Gal. 5:22:

1 Thes. 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard Prov. 20:12; Eph. 1:13 of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

So the Word of God must be accompanied by the Spirit's Work in the one who is already Saved.

2 Thes. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[beloved57]

Exactly Brother. In order for the Gospel [Christ and Him Crucified] to be the Power of God, the Spirit and Preaching must be combined, or else it comes in word only:

1 Thes. 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.


For it's the Spirit that gives the Word of the Gospel spoken of in 1 Cor. 1:18, 24 its Power to work effectually in them that are Believing Gal. 5:22:

1 Thes. 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard Prov. 20:12; Eph. 1:13 of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

So the Word of God must be accompanied by the Spirit's Work in the one who is already Saved.

2 Thes. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Exactly Sister !