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    Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

    The mystery of the gospel was revealed first to Paul.

    Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

    16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

    Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

    Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

    Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

    Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

    3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

    God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are seperated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

    3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

    Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

    3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

    3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

    3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

    The church, the body of Christ was revealed first to Paul.

    Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

    Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

    18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

    18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

    18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

    Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34, even when Jesus told them of his death and resurrection in Luke 18:33 and in fact, it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

    Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

    1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


    Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32).

    Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

    9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

    9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

    The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

    It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

    The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

    The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
    Last edited by DougE; June 8th, 2019, 08:23 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.
    Can you quote that word-for-word in the Scripture somewhere?
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery.
    It could just be that Paul's "my gospel" is what we now call Luke. Luke and Paul knew each other, and they together wrote more than half the New Testament.
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews
    Up to this point what you call Catholicism is equal to this.
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    , without the law and covenants.
    Without the New Covenant? That part's Dispensationalism.
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    Gentiles no longer are seperated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.
    Again this is what you call Catholicism. And since it's Catholicism, and Catholicism is before Dispenationalism, then Dispensationalists who teach it are guilty of plagiarism, because you don't give credit where it's due.
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul.
    Can you quote this word-for-word from Scripture?
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
    Also, Luke includes those things.
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
    Luke was written for Gentiles.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Idolater View Post
      Luke was written for Gentiles.
      Can you quote that word-for-word in the Scripture somewhere?
      All of my ancestors are human.
      Originally posted by Squeaky
      That explains why your an idiot.
      Originally posted by God's Truth
      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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      • #4
        You are not wearing the belt of truth. You will have no comfort and you will fail to comfort others. The term gospel has no Hebrew or Greek root and does not convey what was spoken or written of in the Old nor the New Testament. You simply repeat the word parrot fashion and like a parrot you don't have a clue what it is you're speaking of.

        "...wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions".
        I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

        "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

        I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
        A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
        If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

        Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

        I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DougE View Post
          THE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL
          Note that they did, or they would be cursed (Galatians 1:9).

          Originally posted by DougE View Post
          The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.
          Note that it wasn't, for the "mystery" in Romans 16:25-26 and Colossians 1:26 is "made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets" (Romans 16:26).

          For example, Isaiah 49:6 and Isaiah 42:6 foretold that Jesus Christ's Gospel of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4), made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), would save both Jewish and Gentile Christians (Acts 26:22-23, Luke 24:46-47). The New Covenant includes Gentile Christians by grafting them into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, John 10:16).

          Isaiah 49:6b started to be fulfilled at Jesus Christ's first coming (Luke 2:32, Acts 26:23), and His sending forth of His apostles to the Gentiles (Acts 13:47, Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 26:17-18, Acts 22:21).

          Also, the apostle Paul quotes four Old Testament verses in Romans 15:9-12 which foretold the salvation of Gentiles (2 Samuel 22:50/Psalms 18:49, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalms 117:1, Isaiah 11:10).

          And God chose the apostle Peter to be the first apostle to take Jesus Christ's Gospel of salvation to Gentiles (Acts 15:7, Acts 10:34-48), to make Gentile Christians partakers of the Jews' spiritual things (Romans 15:27, John 4:22b), just as the apostle Paul sometimes preached the Gospel to Jews (Acts 13:16-41).

          This mystery (Ephesians 3:4) is also explained in Ephesians 3:6, which means that Gentile Christians become fellowheirs with Jewish (Israelite) Christians, and of the same body as Israel, and partakers of God's promise in Jesus Christ made to Israel.

          Originally posted by DougE View Post
          The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul.
          Note that it wasn't (Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:17, James 5:14; 1 Peter 5:13; 3 John 1:6).

          Originally posted by DougE View Post
          Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34, even when Jesus told them of his death and resurrection in Luke 18:33 and in fact, it was hid from them.
          Note that both Jews and Gentiles are saved by believing the same Gospel (Romans 1:16), and this Gospel of Jesus Christ includes His suffering and dying for our sins, and His physical resurrection (Matthew 20:18-19, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28). And this Gospel, which is the same as the apostle Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, was explained to the apostle Peter and the other apostles directly by Jesus Christ before the time of Peter's preaching in Acts (Luke 24:44-49). So the apostle Peter's subsequent preaching during the time of Acts would have included this Gospel, just as his writings did (1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18). Just because Acts does not record the apostle Peter preaching this at the time of Acts does not mean that he did not, for Acts is not an exhaustive record of every word which was preached by Peter or the other apostles during that period of time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
            Note that they did, or they would be cursed (Galatians 1:9).
            That passage is misunderstood and misrepresented.

            See this blog: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...in-Galatians-1
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Idolater View Post
              Can you quote that word-for-word in the Scripture somewhere?
              It could just be that Paul's "my gospel" is what we now call Luke. Luke and Paul knew each other, and they together wrote more than half the New Testament.
              Up to this point what you call Catholicism is equal to this.
              Without the New Covenant? That part's Dispensationalism.
              Again this is what you call Catholicism. And since it's Catholicism, and Catholicism is before Dispenationalism, then Dispensationalists who teach it are guilty of plagiarism, because you don't give credit where it's due.
              Can you quote this word-for-word from Scripture?
              Also, Luke includes those things.
              Luke was written for Gentiles.
              Hello

              "Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
              Also, Luke includes those things."

              Can you please show me the passages you are speaking of

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              • #8
                The meaning of gospel can be multi-fold. Paul is the one who theorized about what the New Covenant is. That's the actual gospel to be preached.

                The 4 gospels are actually eye-witnesses accounts of testimonies about Jesus' deeds and speeches. They are called the gospel from a different perspective. Paul's is a theology of revelation, while the 4 is a human witnessing.

                Paul is one of the few humans who can theorize the New Covenant because he's a true Pharisee just as he described who he himself is. Perhaps that's why he's called upon by Jesus Christ.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                  The meaning of gospel can be multi-fold. Paul is the one who theorized about what the New Covenant is. That's the actual gospel to be preached.
                  That's just plain silly. God describes the new covenant in many places in scripture and He's not the slightest bit unclear about it.

                  Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                  The 4 gospels are actually eye-witnesses accounts of testimonies about Jesus' deeds and speeches. They are called the gospel from a different perspective. Paul's is a theology of revelation, while the 4 is a human witnessing.
                  There are other important differences.
                  • The "4 gospels" document the minister of the circumcision and His dealing with His people Israel.
                  • Paul documents NEW revelation about something that was kept secret since the world began but was NOW (at the time it was given to Paul) revealed.

                  Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                  Paul is one of the few humans who can theorize the New Covenant because he's a true Pharisee just as he claimed who he himself is. Perhaps that's why he's called upon by Jesus Christ.
                  Paul "theorized" nothing.
                  All of my ancestors are human.
                  Originally posted by Squeaky
                  That explains why your an idiot.
                  Originally posted by God's Truth
                  Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                  Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                  (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                  1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                  (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                  Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                  • #10
                    The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.
                    Can you quote that word-for-word in the Scripture somewhere?

                    Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
                    Paul only says me

                    Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery.
                    It could just be that Paul's "my gospel" is what we now call Luke. Luke and Paul knew each other, and they together wrote more than half the New Testament.

                    That would mean he received it from Luke which is refuted by Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

                    God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews
                    Up to this point what you call Catholicism is equal to this.

                    Can you elaborate on the above

                    , without the law and covenants.
                    Without the New Covenant? That part's Dispensationalism.

                    The new covenant will be made with the house of Israel and Judah (Jeremiah 31:31).


                    Gentiles no longer are separated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

                    Again this is what you call Catholicism. And since it's Catholicism, and Catholicism is before Dispenationalism, then Dispensationalists who teach it are guilty of plagiarism, because you don't give credit where it's due.

                    Again, please elaborate on the above
                    I will say that this is upheld in Ephesians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:12

                    The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul.
                    Can you quote this word-for-word from Scripture?

                    The body of Christ was not mentioned in scripture until the epistles of Paul. The church was.


                    Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

                    Also, Luke includes those things.

                    Please cite passages for the above


                    The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
                    Luke was written for Gentiles.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                      Can you quote that word-for-word in the Scripture somewhere?
                      It could just be that Paul's "my gospel" is what we now call Luke. Luke and Paul knew each other, and they together wrote more than half the New Testament.
                      Up to this point what you call Catholicism is equal to this.
                      Without the New Covenant? That part's Dispensationalism.
                      Again this is what you call Catholicism. And since it's Catholicism, and Catholicism is before Dispenationalism, then Dispensationalists who teach it are guilty of plagiarism, because you don't give credit where it's due.
                      Can you quote this word-for-word from Scripture?
                      Also, Luke includes those things.
                      Luke was written for Gentiles.
                      Hello

                      The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.
                      Can you quote that word-for-word in the Scripture somewhere?

                      Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
                      Paul only says me


                      Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery.
                      It could just be that Paul's "my gospel" is what we now call Luke. Luke and Paul knew each other, and they together wrote more than half the New Testament.

                      That would mean he received it from Luke which is refuted by Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

                      God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews
                      Up to this point what you call Catholicism is equal to this.

                      Can you elaborate on the above

                      , without the law and covenants.
                      Without the New Covenant? That part's Dispensationalism.

                      The new covenant will be made with the house of Israel and Judah (Jeremiah 31:31).

                      Gentiles no longer are separated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

                      Again this is what you call Catholicism. And since it's Catholicism, and Catholicism is before Dispenationalism, then Dispensationalists who teach it are guilty of plagiarism, because you don't give credit where it's due.

                      Again, please elaborate on the above
                      I will say that this is upheld in Ephesians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:12


                      The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul.
                      Can you quote this word-for-word from Scripture?

                      The body of Christ was not mentioned in scripture until the epistles of Paul. The church was.


                      Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

                      Also, Luke includes those things.

                      Please cite passages for the above

                      The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
                      Luke was written for Gentiles.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                        That's just plain silly. God describes the new covenant in many places in scripture and He's not the slightest bit unclear about it.


                        There are other important differences.
                        • The "4 gospels" document the minister of the circumcision and His dealing with His people Israel.
                        • Paul documents NEW revelation about something that was kept secret since the world began but was NOW (at the time it was given to Paul) revealed.


                        Paul "theorized" nothing.
                        No, basically the theology of Christianity can be said to be theorized by Paul, as Paul's letters are the fundamental part of the theology.

                        The 4 gospels are accounts of testimonies of Jesus' deeds and speeches. Because it's all about how Jesus is eye-witnessed, it's not the place here to theorize anything. They are just plainly recordings of what is said and witnessed. John's gospel is a bit different and thus involves more theology contents.

                        The same can be said to Acts. Acts is more of the recordings of the apostles' deeds.

                        The theology itself starts with Paul's epistles. Romans contains a lot of in-depth theology contents about what the New Covenant is as a covenant. So are other epistles of Paul.

                        To put it another way, no apostles other than Paul can come up with what have been said in books such as Romans or Hebrews (if you accept that it's from Paul).

                        If you failed to speculate this, it's you who are plainly silly.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                          Note that they did, or they would be cursed (Galatians 1:9).

                          They were not cursed, they were not perverting Paul's gospel of Christ.

                          Note that it wasn't, for the "mystery" in Romans 16:25-26 and Colossians 1:26 is "made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets" (Romans 16:26).

                          Romans 16:25-26 is saying they would be stablished according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to (A) the revelation of the mystery AND by (B) the scriptures of the prophets


                          For example, Isaiah 49:6 and Isaiah 42:6 foretold that Jesus Christ's Gospel of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4), made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), would save both Jewish and Gentile Christians (Acts 26:22-23, Luke 24:46-47).

                          This is all true but is not mystery it is prophecy


                          The New Covenant includes Gentile Christians by grafting them into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, John 10:16).

                          The new covenant is for Israel. The gentiles will be blessed and taught by Israel.


                          Isaiah 49:6b started to be fulfilled at Jesus Christ's first coming (Luke 2:32, Acts 26:23), and His sending forth of His apostles to the Gentiles (Acts 13:47, Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 26:17-18, Acts 22:21).

                          Also, the apostle Paul quotes four Old Testament verses in Romans 15:9-12 which foretold the salvation of Gentiles (2 Samuel 22:50/Psalms 18:49, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalms 117:1, Isaiah 11:10).

                          And God chose the apostle Peter to be the first apostle to take Jesus Christ's Gospel of salvation to Gentiles (Acts 15:7, Acts 10:34-48), to make Gentile Christians partakers of the Jews' spiritual things (Romans 15:27, John 4:22b), just as the apostle Paul sometimes preached the Gospel to Jews (Acts 13:16-41).

                          This mystery (Ephesians 3:4) is also explained in Ephesians 3:6, which means that Gentile Christians become fellowheirs with Jewish (Israelite) Christians, and of the same body as Israel, and partakers of God's promise in Jesus Christ made to Israel.



                          Note that it wasn't (Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:17, James 5:14; 1 Peter 5:13; 3 John 1:6).



                          Note that both Jews and Gentiles are saved by believing the same Gospel (Romans 1:16), and this Gospel of Jesus Christ includes His suffering and dying for our sins, and His physical resurrection (Matthew 20:18-19, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28). And this Gospel, which is the same as the apostle Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, was explained to the apostle Peter and the other apostles directly by Jesus Christ before the time of Peter's preaching in Acts (Luke 24:44-49). So the apostle Peter's subsequent preaching during the time of Acts would have included this Gospel, just as his writings did (1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18). Just because Acts does not record the apostle Peter preaching this at the time of Acts does not mean that he did not, for Acts is not an exhaustive record of every word which was preached by Peter or the other apostles during that period of time.

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                          • #14
                            Isaiah 49:6b started to be fulfilled at Jesus Christ's first coming (Luke 2:32, Acts 26:23), and His sending forth of His apostles to the Gentiles (Acts 13:47, Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 26:17-18, Acts 22:21).

                            This is all prophecy not mystery

                            Also, the apostle Paul quotes four Old Testament verses in Romans 15:9-12 which foretold the salvation of Gentiles (2 Samuel 22:50/Psalms 18:49, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalms 117:1, Isaiah 11:10).

                            Again prophecy

                            And God chose the apostle Peter to be the first apostle to take Jesus Christ's Gospel of salvation to Gentiles (Acts 15:7, Acts 10:34-48), to make Gentile Christians partakers of the Jews' spiritual things (Romans 15:27, John 4:22b), just as the apostle Paul sometimes preached the Gospel to Jews (Acts 13:16-41).

                            This mystery (Ephesians 3:4) is also explained in Ephesians 3:6, which means that Gentile Christians become fellowheirs with Jewish (Israelite) Christians, and of the same body as Israel, and partakers of God's promise in Jesus Christ made to Israel.

                            Right and this was only revealed to Paul

                            I said "The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul."

                            Note that it wasn't (Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:17, James 5:14; 1 Peter 5:13; 3 John 1:6).

                            The church was in existence before Paul, but not the body of Christ

                            Note that both Jews and Gentiles are saved by believing the same Gospel (Romans 1:16), and this Gospel of Jesus Christ includes His suffering and dying for our sins, and His physical resurrection (Matthew 20:18-19, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28). And this Gospel, which is the same as the apostle Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, was explained to the apostle Peter and the other apostles directly by Jesus Christ before the time of Peter's preaching in Acts (Luke 24:44-49).

                            In Luke 24:45 Jesus opens their understanding of the scriptures. The scriptures of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 were not written yet nor was this gospel revealed to anyone yet, including Paul.

                            So the apostle Peter's subsequent preaching during the time of Acts would have included this Gospel, just as his writings did (1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18).

                            1 Peter 2:24 and 3:18 are speaking of the new testament

                            Just because Acts does not record the apostle Peter preaching this at the time of Acts does not mean that he did not, for Acts is not an exhaustive record of every word which was preached by Peter or the other apostles during that period of time.[/QUOTE]

                            Hello

                            Part B response inserted above

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                              No, basically the theology of Christianity can be said to be theorized by Paul, as Paul's letters are the fundamental part of the theology.
                              That's utter nonsense as Paul did not "theorize" anything.

                              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                              The 4 gospels are accounts of testimonies of Jesus' deeds and speeches. Because it's all about how Jesus is eye-witnessed, it's not the place here to theorize anything. They are just plainly recordings of what is said and witnessed. John's gospel is a bit different and thus involves more theology contents.
                              Your idea of "theology contents" is way off.

                              The 4 "gospels" are a recording what the MINISTER OF THE CIRCUMCISION was doing with, through and among His people. Paul makes clear that during His early ministry, Jesus was A MINISTER OF THE CIRCUMCISION confirming the promises made to the fathers... the fathers are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)

                              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                              The same can be said to Acts. Acts is more of the recordings of the apostles' deeds.
                              The book of the Acts of the apostles documents Israel's FALL and God revealing something different to and through the apostle Paul.

                              Take note of Luke's switching (in Acts 16) from accompanying the TWELVE and instead accompanying Paul and his group.

                              http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...ing-in-Acts-16

                              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                              The theology itself starts with Paul's epistles. Romans contains a lot of in-depth theology contents about what the New Covenant is as a covenant. So are other epistles of Paul.
                              The new covenant is between God and Israel, just like Jeremiah writes and Hebrews confirms.

                              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                              To put it another way, no apostles other than Paul can come up with what have been said in books such as Romans or Hebrews (if you accept that it's from Paul).
                              I do not accept that Paul wrote Hebrews: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...t-know-who-did

                              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                              If you failed to speculate this, it's you who are plainly silly.
                              I don't speculate; it's silly to speculate
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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