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  • #16
    Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that they did, or they would be cursed (Galatians 1:9).



    Note that it wasn't, for the "mystery" in Romans 16:25-26 and Colossians 1:26 is "made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets" (Romans 16:26).

    For example, Isaiah 49:6 and Isaiah 42:6 foretold that Jesus Christ's Gospel of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4), made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), would save both Jewish and Gentile Christians (Acts 26:22-23, Luke 24:46-47). The New Covenant includes Gentile Christians by grafting them into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, John 10:16).

    Isaiah 49:6b started to be fulfilled at Jesus Christ's first coming (Luke 2:32, Acts 26:23), and His sending forth of His apostles to the Gentiles (Acts 13:47, Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 26:17-18, Acts 22:21).

    Also, the apostle Paul quotes four Old Testament verses in Romans 15:9-12 which foretold the salvation of Gentiles (2 Samuel 22:50/Psalms 18:49, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalms 117:1, Isaiah 11:10).

    And God chose the apostle Peter to be the first apostle to take Jesus Christ's Gospel of salvation to Gentiles (Acts 15:7, Acts 10:34-48), to make Gentile Christians partakers of the Jews' spiritual things (Romans 15:27, John 4:22b), just as the apostle Paul sometimes preached the Gospel to Jews (Acts 13:16-41).

    This mystery (Ephesians 3:4) is also explained in Ephesians 3:6, which means that Gentile Christians become fellowheirs with Jewish (Israelite) Christians, and of the same body as Israel, and partakers of God's promise in Jesus Christ made to Israel.



    Note that it wasn't (Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:17, James 5:14; 1 Peter 5:13; 3 John 1:6).



    Note that both Jews and Gentiles are saved by believing the same Gospel (Romans 1:16), and this Gospel of Jesus Christ includes His suffering and dying for our sins, and His physical resurrection (Matthew 20:18-19, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28). And this Gospel, which is the same as the apostle Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, was explained to the apostle Peter and the other apostles directly by Jesus Christ before the time of Peter's preaching in Acts (Luke 24:44-49). So the apostle Peter's subsequent preaching during the time of Acts would have included this Gospel, just as his writings did (1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18). Just because Acts does not record the apostle Peter preaching this at the time of Acts does not mean that he did not, for Acts is not an exhaustive record of every word which was preached by Peter or the other apostles during that period of time.
    PART B OF RESPONSE

    Isaiah 49:6b started to be fulfilled at Jesus Christ's first coming (Luke 2:32, Acts 26:23), and His sending forth of His apostles to the Gentiles (Acts 13:47, Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 26:17-18, Acts 22:21).

    This is all prophecy not mystery

    Also, the apostle Paul quotes four Old Testament verses in Romans 15:9-12 which foretold the salvation of Gentiles (2 Samuel 22:50/Psalms 18:49, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalms 117:1, Isaiah 11:10).

    Again prophecy

    And God chose the apostle Peter to be the first apostle to take Jesus Christ's Gospel of salvation to Gentiles (Acts 15:7, Acts 10:34-48), to make Gentile Christians partakers of the Jews' spiritual things (Romans 15:27, John 4:22b), just as the apostle Paul sometimes preached the Gospel to Jews (Acts 13:16-41).

    This mystery (Ephesians 3:4) is also explained in Ephesians 3:6, which means that Gentile Christians become fellowheirs with Jewish (Israelite) Christians, and of the same body as Israel, and partakers of God's promise in Jesus Christ made to Israel.

    Right and this was only revealed to Paul

    I said "The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul."

    Note that it wasn't (Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:17, James 5:14; 1 Peter 5:13; 3 John 1:6).

    The church was in existence before Paul, but not the body of Christ

    Note that both Jews and Gentiles are saved by believing the same Gospel (Romans 1:16), and this Gospel of Jesus Christ includes His suffering and dying for our sins, and His physical resurrection (Matthew 20:18-19, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28). And this Gospel, which is the same as the apostle Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, was explained to the apostle Peter and the other apostles directly by Jesus Christ before the time of Peter's preaching in Acts (Luke 24:44-49).

    In Luke 24:45 Jesus opens their understanding of the scriptures. The scriptures of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 were not written yet nor was this gospel revealed to anyone yet, including Paul.

    So the apostle Peter's subsequent preaching during the time of Acts would have included this Gospel, just as his writings did (1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18).

    1 Peter 2:24 and 3:18 are speaking of the new testament

    Just because Acts does not record the apostle Peter preaching this at the time of Acts does not mean that he did not, for Acts is not an exhaustive record of every word which was preached by Peter or the other apostles during that period of time.[/QUOTE]

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
      That's utter nonsense as Paul did not "theorize" anything.


      Your idea of "theology contents" is way off.

      The 4 "gospels" are a recording what the MINISTER OF THE CIRCUMCISION was doing with, through and among His people. Paul makes clear that during His early ministry, Jesus was A MINISTER OF THE CIRCUMCISION confirming the promises made to the fathers... the fathers are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)


      The book of the Acts of the apostles documents Israel's FALL and God revealing something different to and through the apostle Paul.

      Take note of Luke's switching (in Acts 16) from accompanying the TWELVE and instead accompanying Paul and his group.

      http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...ing-in-Acts-16


      The new covenant is between God and Israel, just like Jeremiah writes and Hebrews confirms.


      I do not accept that Paul wrote Hebrews: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...t-know-who-did


      I don't speculate; it's silly to speculate
      You need to study more with other Christians, before you fart your nonsense. "Save by faith only" as a topic is theologically from Paul and Paul only.

      It's Paul who theorized it under the revelation of Jesus Christ though.

      You can choose to continue to live in denial and argue against the obvious though.

      If you are lazy, you can start by reading the following,

      https://www.biblestudytools.com/dict...line-theology/


      In order to understand the development of Paul's theological system, it is necessary to begin with his beliefs as a Pharisee....

      Start with the above sentence then keep reading on why he has a theological system tied to who he is as a Pharisee!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DougE View Post
        Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

        The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.

        Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

        16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

        Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

        Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

        Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

        Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

        Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

        3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

        God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are seperated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

        3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

        Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

        3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

        3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

        3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

        The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul.

        Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

        1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

        The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

        Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

        18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

        18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

        18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

        Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34, even when Jesus told them of his death and resurrection in Luke 18:33 and in fact, it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

        Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

        Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

        1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


        Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32).

        Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

        9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

        9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

        The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

        It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

        The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

        The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.




        The events "portrayed" (Galatians 4: 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24Which things are an allegory:.) in scriptures are dealing with the conscience and have no historic or specific race, gender, or class respected over another, the spirit blows where it wills according to the voice referred to as the Father of us all.

        If one has left the first elements of belief behind the flesh version of Christ Romans 1:23, is no longer needed once the mystery of Christ in you is fully weighed against traditional doctrines that retain a mixture of flesh and religious spirit that require observation, 2 Corinthians 5:16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new..

        Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

        Only one division in scripture that makes it dead or alive, 2 Corinthians 3:
        3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

        4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

        Psalms 40:6Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

        7Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

        8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. Galatians 4:1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all


        If I AM be not raised in you (conscience), your still dead in your sins and looking for another to come in time, Hebrews 9:8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;


        1 Corinthians 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Hebrews 9:24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Revelation 11:8, Acts 17:24.

        All OT scripture is figurative,
        (1{Maschil of Asaph.} Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.

        2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

        3Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.)

        concerning the conscience of Christ hidden in man John 1:9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. and that body temple is built without hands starting in the womb of darkness/flesh Matthew 11:11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

        Only one true gospel and one true divide since the foundation, spirit and flesh mentality, Christ slain from the foundation of world Revelation 13:8, not two thousand years ago as a carnal human sacrifice for a Father who judges no man John 5:22, Psalms 40:6.
        Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DougE View Post
          The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
          Hi. If it's ok with you I would like to challenge your thinking on this. There are several things in your post I could address but to keep it simple I'd like to start with this.

          Since Paul visited Corinth, how were they converted by Paul? What did he preach to them and what did they do in response to his preaching?
          Wretched man that I am.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by turbosixx View Post
            Hi. If it's ok with you I would like to challenge your thinking on this. There are several things in your post I could address but to keep it simple I'd like to start with this.

            Since Paul visited Corinth, how were they converted by Paul? What did he preach to them and what did they do in response to his preaching?
            Hello
            Could you be more specific and give me chapter and verse you wish me to consider

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DougE View Post
              Hello
              Could you be more specific and give me chapter and verse you wish me to consider
              Yes Sir.

              Acts 18:1-8. This is on Paul's second journey. I don't see how Paul converted these people any different than the 12 did in prior chapters.
              Wretched man that I am.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DougE View Post
                The new covenant is for Israel.
                Amen (Jeremiah 31:31-33)

                And it is because the New Covenant is made only with Israel that salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22b), and the Gospel goes to the Jews first (Romans 1:16). It is also why Jesus Christ said Matthew 15:24,26 in the context of being asked to minister to someone who was not of Israel (Matthew 15:22-26). It is also why Gentile Christians have been grafted into Israel so that they can partake of the salvation offered to Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

                For the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is already fulfilled, even though the prior, Millennial prophecy of Jeremiah 31:1-14,16-25 (Jeremiah 31:15 was fulfilled in the first century AD: Matthew 2:17-18) and the other Millennial prophecies have not yet been fulfilled. For the making of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31,33) was fulfilled at Jesus Christ's Crucifixion (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17), just as the New Covenant being made with the houses of Israel and Judah (Jeremiah 31:31,33) has been fulfilled (Acts 2:5,36-41, Romans 11:1,17,24). And the New Covenant being not according to the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Jeremiah 31:32) has been fulfilled (Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17). And the New Covenant law of Jesus being written on the hearts of Jewish and Gentile Christians (Jeremiah 31:33) has been fulfilled (Romans 6:17, Ephesians 6:6, Galatians 6:2). And "they shall teach no more every man his neighbour" (Jeremiah 31:34) has been fulfilled (1 John 2:27). And "they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them" (Jeremiah 31:34) has been fulfilled (1 John 2:13). And "I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jeremiah 31:34) has been fulfilled (1 John 2:12).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DougE View Post
                  This is all prophecy not mystery
                  Note that the mystery of the Gospel (of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) is revealed through the prophecy (Romans 16:25-26) when the prophecy is understood properly (Luke 24:45-47, Acts 26:22-23).

                  That is, Christians can now understand how perfectly the Old Testament foretold the Gospel of the suffering and death of Christ for our sins, and His rising physically from the dead on the third day (Acts 26:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:1-5, Luke 24:44-47). His suffering and death for our sins was foretold in Isaiah 53 (cf. Acts 8:32-35; 1 Peter 2:24). His crucifixion experience was foretold in Psalms 22 (cf. Matthew 27:46,35). His not remaining dead was foretold in Psalms 16:10 (cf. Acts 2:31). His rising from the dead on the third day was foretold in Hosea 6:2 (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:4, Luke 24:46, Colossians 2:12). The fact that Christ's New Covenant Gospel (Matthew 26:28) would go forth to save both Jews and Gentiles was foretold in Isaiah 49:6 and Isaiah 42:6 (cf. Acts 26:23b, Luke 24:47). For some other examples of how Jesus Christ fulfilled Old Testament scriptures at His first coming: He fulfilled Deuteronomy 18:15,18-19 (cf. Acts 3:22-24, Luke 24:44), and Zechariah 9:9 (cf. Matthew 21:4-5), and Psalms 118:22 (cf. Acts 4:11), and Isaiah 9:1-2 (cf. Matthew 4:12-16), and Psalms 110:4 (cf. Hebrews 6:20).

                  Originally posted by DougE View Post
                  The church was in existence before Paul, but not the body of Christ
                  Note that they are the same thing (Colossians 1:18).

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                  • #24
                    douge

                    The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.
                    False It was revealed also Eph 3:4-6

                    4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
                    5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
                    6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

                    See Apostles Plural ? Prophets Plural
                    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                    Charles Spurgeon !

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                    • #25
                      douge

                      The new covenant is for Israel.
                      Yes, the Church of Christ which includes Gentiles The Israel of God Gal 6. It hasn't nothing to do with the physical nation israel those born merly of the flesh, theyre not the children of God Rom 9:8

                      8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
                      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                      Charles Spurgeon !

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                        douge



                        Yes, the Church of Christ which includes Gentiles The Israel of God Gal 6. It hasn't nothing to do with the physical nation israel those born merly of the flesh, theyre not the children of God Rom 9:8

                        8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
                        Amen Brother !
                        My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                        when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by turbosixx View Post
                          Yes Sir.

                          Acts 18:1-8. This is on Paul's second journey. I don't see how Paul converted these people any different than the 12 did in prior chapters.
                          Hello
                          I wish I knew everything but here are some thoughts.
                          Paul preached Christ just like the twelve.
                          Paul believed and preached Jesus as Christ and the Son of God from the scriptures of Moses and the prophets.
                          Paul went to the Jew first.
                          Paul was not opposed to the twelve...they were preaching the kingdom on earth to Israel.
                          Paul did not give offence to the Jews he also offered sacrifice and circumcised Timothy.
                          Paul did not teach Jews to not follow the commandments which included baptism.
                          Israel was still being offered the kingdom which required faith in Jesus as Messiah, Son of God and King and confession and baptism for remission of sins to be priests in the kingdom.
                          Acts is a transitional book.
                          Not everything was revealed to Paul all at once.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                            douge



                            False It was revealed also Eph 3:4-6

                            [FONT="]4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[/FONT]
                            [FONT="]5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[/FONT]
                            6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

                            See Apostles Plural ? Prophets Plural
                            Hello
                            Yes you are right it was revealed to apostles and prophets.
                            The apostles and prophets to whom it was revealed were in the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:28). What I meant by what I said was it was not revealed in scripture or to others before Paul. It is not found that to anyone else but Paul, was the mystery revealed by Christ (Ephesians 3:3). The apostles and prophets in the church had the mystery revealed by the Spirit.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DougE View Post
                              Hello
                              Yes you are right it was revealed to apostles and prophets.
                              The apostles and prophets to whom it was revealed were in the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:28). What I meant by what I said was it was not revealed in scripture or to others before Paul. It is not found that to anyone else but Paul, was the mystery revealed by Christ (Ephesians 3:3). The apostles and prophets in the church had the mystery revealed by the Spirit.
                              Revealed by the Spirit or by Christ its the Same. Christ operates by His Spirit. And Paul and Peter preached the same Gospel, the One revealed by Christ or by His Spirit.
                              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                              Charles Spurgeon !

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                              • #30
                                doug

                                What I meant by what I said was it was not revealed in scripture or to others before Paul.
                                Even the Prophhets in the OT had some knowledge of the Mystery, not as much as in the NT Times, but God did reveal it. Isa 11:10

                                And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

                                Acts 15:14-18

                                14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

                                15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

                                16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

                                17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

                                18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

                                The Prophets here are OT Saints !
                                Last edited by beloved57; June 8th, 2019, 09:16 AM.
                                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                                Charles Spurgeon !

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