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  • Originally posted by Clete View Post
    Is this really how you do doctrine?

    It's the same faith but not the same gospel message. Jesus Himself didn't preach the same gospel that the Twelve preached after Pentecost.
    There is only one gospel.

    Galatians 1:6-8 Only One Gospel

    6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.


    Paul isn't a hypocrite who curses himself.

    He isn't going to preach another gospel and then say "no other gospel", and if HE or anyone teaches another, let them be accursed.

    The gospel is the GOOD NEWS and there is no other good news than that of Jesus Christ.


    Jesus taught the one and only gospel, he taught it while he had his earthly ministry, and then he shed his blood and died for it.

    When Paul taught the same gospel that he used to try to destroy, the Jews did not trust him. The Jews thought Paul was just trying to trick them into saying they believed in Jesus just so Paul could drag them off to prison and have them killed.

    Read here how Paul tells Jesus how the Jews don't trust him; then, Jesus sends him far away:

    Acts 22:19 ‘Lord,’ I answered, ‘they know very well that in one synagogue after another I imprisoned and beat those who believed in You. 20 And when the blood of Your witness Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and watching over the garments of those who killed him.’ 21 Then He said to me, ‘Go! I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’”


    Originally posted by Clete View Post

    In fact, He specifically told His disciples to keep their mouths shut concerning anything He had told them about His death and resurrection.
    Not that He would have really needed to because they didn't believe it anyway!
    Even Jesus' enemies knew he was going to die and rise again.


    Mark 9:31 because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise."

    Matthew 16:21
    From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

    Matthew 27:63
    "Sir," they said, "we remember that while He was alive that deceiver said 'After three days I will rise again.'

    Mark 10:34
    who will mock Him and spit on Him and flog Him and kill Him. And after three days He will rise again."

    Originally posted by Clete View Post
    And Paul's gospel is so radically different that if not for the book of Acts, no one would believe that he was anything other than the lunatic leader of some cult that splintered off from first century Christianity.

    Having said that, it really isn't an entirely different gospel. It's still the same God with the same Son Who created us and Who loves us and wants to save us if only we put our faith in Him. It's the details that have changed. Before, in addition to loving God, you basically had to become a Jew and obey the Law of Moses, get circumcised, avoid unclean foods, observed the Sabbaths, tithe, etc, etc. Now, you still believe in the same God but now it's God Who has fulfilled the Law for you, who has been cut off (i.e. circumcised) for you and so now, if you become circumcized Christ will profit you nothing. No one, not a single person anywhere in the bible ever taught such a thing until Paul, who not only taught that we are not to place ourselves under the law but taught that Jesus nailed the law to the cross and called that message "my gospel".

    Lastly, why Paul in the first place? If Paul was preaching the same thing as the Twelve, where's the need for Paul? Why, after Paul came to explain his gospel to the Twelve did the Twelve agree to stay in Jerusalem and minister to those of the circumcison (Israel) only, while Paul went to the nations with the gospel of uncircumcision? How is such an agreement possible, if your doctrine is correct and they were all preaching the same gospel?

    Clete

    Paul was chosen so that others who were sinners as bad as he was could know they too can be saved.


    The Lord’s Grace to Paul

    Timothy 1:12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.

    15Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. 16But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. 17Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
    Just read what Paul says why HE WAS SAVED.

    It further proves there is ONLY ONE GOSPEL THAT SAVES.

    Paul was saved by the one and only gospel, and it is the same that Jesus preached on earth---what Jesus came into the WORLD TO PREACH FOR ALL.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

      There is only one gospel.

      Galatians 1:6-8 Only One Gospel

      6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.


      Paul isn't a hypocrite who curses himself.

      He isn't going to preach another gospel and then say "no other gospel", and if HE or anyone teaches another, let them be accursed.

      The gospel is the GOOD NEWS and there is no other good news than that of Jesus Christ.
      Are you intentionally twisting this upside down? You have to be!

      Someone was preaching something other than what Paul was preaching. His point here is that you shouldn't listen to anyone's gospel other than his.

      I mean that is the plainly obvious point that Paul is making. I won't even bother responding to anything you say to the contrary. It's too stupid to be worth my time and tantamount to an outright lie anyway.

      Jesus taught the one and only gospel, he taught it while he had his earthly ministry, and then he shed his blood and died for it.
      Saying it doesn't make it so, GT!

      Jesus told His disciples to keep their mouths shut about Him being the Christ and anything He ever told them about His death and resurrection. Not only that but they didn't believe it anyway!

      When Jesus was specifically asked how to attain eternal life, He answered by saying to follow the law and when asked which laws, He started listing the Ten Commandments.

      Jesus is never recorded having uttered the word "grace" one single time during His earthly ministry.

      No, quite the contrary, Jesus was born under the Law, obeyed the Law and taught others to repent and do the same and when the disciples understood that He was the Messiah, He told them not to tell anyone!
      Luke 9:18 And it happened, as He was alone praying, that His disciples joined Him, and He asked them, saying, “Who do the crowds say that I am?”

      19 So they answered and said, “John the Baptist, but some say Elijah; and others say that one of the old prophets has risen again.”

      20 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

      Peter answered and said, “The Christ of God.”

      21 And He strictly warned and commanded them to tell this to no one,...


      Doesn't sound like the same gospel message to me!


      Further, the bible tells us explicitly that Paul's message was a different gospel...
      Galatians 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel of the circumcised was to Peter


      When Paul taught the same gospel that he used to try to destroy, the Jews did not trust him. The Jews thought Paul was just trying to trick them into saying they believed in Jesus just so Paul could drag them off to prison and have them killed.

      Read here how Paul tells Jesus how the Jews don't trust him; then, Jesus sends him far away:

      Acts 22:19 ‘Lord,’ I answered, ‘they know very well that in one synagogue after another I imprisoned and beat those who believed in You. 20 And when the blood of Your witness Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and watching over the garments of those who killed him.’ 21 Then He said to me, ‘Go! I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’”
      It's true that the Jews didn't trust him but the "taught the same gospel" part of this statement is your doctrine being read into the text.

      Even Jesus' enemies knew he was going to die and rise again.


      Mark 9:31 because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise."

      Matthew 16:21
      From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

      Matthew 27:63
      "Sir," they said, "we remember that while He was alive that deceiver said 'After three days I will rise again.'

      Mark 10:34
      who will mock Him and spit on Him and flog Him and kill Him. And after three days He will rise again."
      This is how you end up on people's ignore list, GT! You're dishonest, even with the handling of God's truth!

      Here are the verses that IMMEDIATELY follow three of the verses you just cited to "prove" the exact opposite of the truth...
      Mark 9:32 But they did not understand this saying, and were afraid to ask Him.

      Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

      Matthew 27:64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come]by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”




      Paul was chosen so that others who were sinners as bad as he was could know they too can be saved.


      The Lord’s Grace to Paul

      Timothy 1:12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.

      15Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. 16But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. 17Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
      Just read what Paul says why HE WAS SAVED.

      It further proves there is ONLY ONE GOSPEL THAT SAVES.

      Paul was saved by the one and only gospel, and it is the same that Jesus preached on earth---what Jesus came into the WORLD TO PREACH FOR ALL.
      This is unbelievable. You take what is clear proof that Paul's gospel was different as proof that it was the same. How is anyone supposed to respond to that?

      I mean, not only is Paul supernatural conversion proof that something had changed but in addition to that, you ignore the whole body of Paul's writings where he repeatedly calls the gospel "my gospel' and adamantly separates himself from the Twelve and insists the he was not given his gospel by man nor was he taught it and is even told by God Himself to go to Jerusalem and explain his gospel to the Twelve, none of which added anything to him (Paul) and after which they (the Twelve) decided to forgo the great commission and to stay in Jerusalem to minister the "Gospel of Circumicision" only to the Circumcision while Paul took the "Gospel of Uncircumcision" to everyone else.

      And that's just Paul's writings you ignore. There's the whole rest of the New Testament that you ignore as well! Who is it that Peter, James and John write their epistles too? How many foundations will the walls of the New Jerusalem have and who's names will be written on them?

      You're simply blind. Worse than that, you have your eyes shut - tightly. The simple fact is that Paul's message isn't just different, it's radically different and if not for the book of Acts, no one would believe a word Paul says. He'd have been dismissed as a heretic so long ago that history itself would have forget he existed and you would have never head of him.

      Clete


      Prediction: GT will ignore pretty much every point of this post and will respond by simply repeating himself.
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      • Originally posted by Clete View Post
        Doesn't sound like the same gospel message to me!
        It doesn't, does it? I think that's because the modern church has twisted Paul quite a bit and taken him to say things that weren't his intended meaning at all.

        Originally posted by Clete View Post
        Further, the bible tells us explicitly that Paul's message was a different gospel...
        Galatians 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel of the circumcised was to Peter
        The second use of "the gospel" in this verse are words supplied by the translator. There aren't actually 2 gospels in this verse.

        Jarrod

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        • Originally posted by Clete View Post

          Are you intentionally twisting this upside down? You have to be!
          Never ever would I do such a thing.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          Someone was preaching something other than what Paul was preaching. His point here is that you shouldn't listen to anyone's gospel other than his.
          Paul says if even he preached another gospel.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post
          I mean that is the plainly obvious point that Paul is making. I won't even bother responding to anything you say to the contrary. It's too stupid to be worth my time and tantamount to an outright lie anyway.
          No other gospel.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post
          Saying it doesn't make it so, GT!
          I go by what God says.
          God didn't beg us since the beginning of time and then throw His words away.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          Jesus told His disciples to keep their mouths shut about Him being the Christ and anything He ever told them about His death and resurrection. Not only that but they didn't believe it anyway!
          I can hardly believe you say that after all the scriptures I gave where Jesus says he has to die and rise again.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          When Jesus was specifically asked how to attain eternal life, He answered by saying to follow the law and when asked which laws, He started listing the Ten Commandments.
          How are you going to love God and your neighbor if you murder them?

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          Jesus is never recorded having uttered the word "grace" one single time during His earthly ministry.
          Are you kidding? Jesus coming is grace.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          No, quite the contrary, Jesus was born under the Law, obeyed the Law and taught others to repent and do the same and when the disciples understood that He was the Messiah, He told them not to tell anyone!
          Luke 9:18 And it happened, as He was alone praying, that His disciples joined Him, and He asked them, saying, “Who do the crowds say that I am?”



          Jesus is the Spirit. The law is Spirit.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          19 So they answered and said, “John the Baptist, but some say Elijah; and others say that one of the old prophets has risen again.”

          20 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

          Peter answered and said, “The Christ of God.”

          21 And He strictly warned and commanded them to tell this to no one,...




          Not always because there is a right time and wrong time.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          Doesn't sound like the same gospel message to me!
          It sure does to me...have faith and believe in Jesus.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          Further, the bible tells us explicitly that Paul's message was a different gospel...
          Galatians 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel of the circumcised was to Peter


          Paul taught to the circumcised.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          It's true that the Jews didn't trust him but the "taught the same gospel" part of this statement is your doctrine being read into the text.
          I gave you scripture where Paul says he is the minister of the new covenant. There is only one new covenant.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          This is how you end up on people's ignore list, GT! You're dishonest, even with the handling of God's truth!
          I am probably the most honest person anyone will ever meet.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post


          Here are the verses that IMMEDIATELY follow three of the verses you just cited to "prove" the exact opposite of the truth...
          No way is Jesus going to come to earth and teach something for a few and then tell Paul something else to teach.

          I have no idea what you think you have disproved. Jesus came and taught the new covenant and then died for it.


          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          This is unbelievable. You take what is clear proof that Paul's gospel was different as proof that it was the same. How is anyone supposed to respond to that?
          Jesus' words are true and for everyone.
          He came to die for the one and only way to the Father.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          I mean, not only is Paul supernatural conversion proof that something had changed but in addition to that, you ignore the whole body of Paul's writings where he repeatedly calls the gospel "my gospel'
          Paul also calls it our gospel and God's gospel and Jesus' gospel. I call it my gospel because I preach it and live by it.

          Did you know that the old law was give to Moses by God and that it was still called Moses' just because Moses preached it?

          Originally posted by Clete View Post



          and adamantly separates himself from the Twelve and insists the he was not given his gospel by man nor was he taught it and is even told by God Himself to go to Jerusalem and explain his gospel to the Twelve, none of which added anything to him (Paul) and after which they (the Twelve) decided to forgo the great commission and to stay in Jerusalem to minister the "Gospel of Circumicision" only to the Circumcision while Paul took the "Gospel of Uncircumcision" to everyone else.
          He doesn't separate himself from them; he explains that they didn't teach him what to preach---he explains that they did not teach him the one and only gospel, because JESUS HIMSELF DID.

          Originally posted by Clete View Post
          And that's just Paul's writings you ignore. There's the whole rest of the New Testament that you ignore as well! Who is it that Peter, James and John write their epistles too? How many foundations will the walls of the New Jerusalem have and who's names will be written on them?
          Same gospel to different people. Are you Timothy or Titus?! No.
          Originally posted by Clete View Post

          You're simply blind. Worse than that, you have your eyes shut - tightly. The simple fact is that Paul's message isn't just different, it's radically different and if not for the book of Acts, no one would believe a word Paul says. He'd have been dismissed as a heretic so long ago that history itself would have forget he existed and you would have never head of him.

          Clete


          Prediction: GT will ignore pretty much every point of this post and will respond by simply repeating himself.
          I ignore nothing.
          Oh how I love the Word of God!

          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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          • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
            It doesn't, does it? I think that's because the modern church has twisted Paul quite a bit and taken him to say things that weren't his intended meaning at all.
            The "modern church" is preaching that "it's all the same gospel".

            You're just like GT, claiming that things are the opposite of what they really are.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • This is what Paul says:

              Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.


              So according to those who say Paul taught another gospel than that of Peter and the other apostles, you are claiming that if Peter or one of the other apostles preached to someone Paul already taught, then they would be accursed?
              Last edited by God's Truth; November 15th, 2019, 06:27 AM.
              Oh how I love the Word of God!

              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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              • Here is another conundrum for those who say Paul taught another gospel:

                Theoretically...

                Paul, ":I am teaching you another gospel, but if I teach another one than this, then cursed be me."

                People listening: "But Paul, you are teaching another gospel now."

                Paul, "This other one is good but no other one."


                Now does that make sense to anyone, really?

                Oh how I love the Word of God!

                Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                  The "modern church" is preaching that "it's all the same gospel".
                  The modern church is preaching? Not really. Just a bunch of motivational speakers, life coaches, and performance choirs.

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                  • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
                    The modern church is preaching? Not really. Just a bunch of motivational speakers, life coaches, and performance choirs.
                    The terms "modern church" and "T.V. preachers" are not synonymous with each other and even T.V. preachers think that there's only one New Testament gospel.
                    Last edited by Clete; November 15th, 2019, 07:49 AM.
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                    • Originally posted by Clete View Post

                      The terms "modern church" and "T.V. preachers" are not synonymous eachother and even T.V. preachers think that there's only one New Testament gospel.
                      Yes, WS is another one that likes to keep changing the subject when his/her mistakes are pointed out.
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                      • Originally posted by Clete View Post
                        The terms "modern church" and "T.V. preachers" are not synonymous with each other and even T.V. preachers think that there's only one New Testament gospel.
                        Well, at least they've got one thing right, then. I'll have to take your word for it, as I haven't looked at a TV preacher in about 30 years.

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                        • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
                          Well, at least they've got one thing right, then.
                          What are you doing here?

                          Is this what passes in your idiot brain as debating?

                          I'll have to take your word for it, as I haven't looked at a TV preacher in about 30 years.
                          Then on what basis are you declaring that the modern church isn't preaching but are just a bunch of motivational speakers, life coaches, and performance choirs?

                          Is it that you think that everything you say is correct by virtue of the fact that it passed your lips?
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                          • Originally posted by Clete View Post
                            What are you doing here?
                            Killing time in a way that's intellectually engaging.

                            Originally posted by Clete View Post
                            Is this what passes in your idiot brain as debating?
                            Are we already doing insults and personal attacks? I usually like to get to at least the 3rd date before we go there. If you're going to be a prickly pettifogger anyway, could you at least be witty while doing it? yawn...

                            Originally posted by Clete View Post
                            Then on what basis are you declaring that the modern church isn't preaching but are just a bunch of motivational speakers, life coaches, and performance choirs?
                            Experience.

                            Originally posted by Clete View Post
                            Is it that you think that everything you say is correct by virtue of the fact that it passed your lips?
                            This is the second time you've said this. You must think it's compelling.

                            It isn't.

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                            • JudgeRightly said in post #294:

                              . . . the gospel given to Peter, James, and John and the rest of the Twelve was ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE LAW, as Jesus said "keep My commandments."
                              Note that Jesus' commandments were not those of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (John 1:17).

                              For Jesus Christ shows in the Sermon on the Mount how His New Covenant, Christian commandments are even stricter than the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade murder (Matthew 5:21, Exodus 20:13), while Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even calling people names (Matthew 5:22). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade adultery (Matthew 5:27, Exodus 20:14), while Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even looking at another woman with lust (Matthew 5:28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law permitted divorce and remarriage (Matthew 5:31, Deuteronomy 24:1-2), while Jesus' New Covenant law forbids it (Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18), except for a single exemption granted only to husbands who discover that their newlywed wife is not a virgin, but had committed fornication (Matthew 19:9).

                              Jesus Christ also shows in the Sermon on the Mount that while His New Covenant, Christian law is stricter than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, at the same time it is also more merciful. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required taking an eye for an eye (Matthew 5:38, Deuteronomy 19:21), while Jesus' New Covenant law requires turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:39). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required hatred for one's enemies (Matthew 5:43, Deuteronomy 23:6), while Jesus' New Covenant law requires love for one's enemies (Matthew 5:44). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, the ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7), required, for example, that adulterers be put to death (Leviticus 20:10), while Jesus showed mercy to the woman caught in adultery (John 8:4-11). And, for another example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required that anyone who does any work on the sabbath is to be put to death (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36), while Jesus allowed His disciples to work on the sabbath, and said that they were guiltless (Matthew 12:1-8), just as Jesus Himself worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18).

                              So in obeying Jesus Christ's New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29, John 14:15; 1 Corinthians 14:37), Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are both more merciful and loving, and also exceed in righteousness, those who mistakenly try to keep the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

                              JudgeRightly said in post #294:

                              Why originally send 12 people into the world, and then later they go nowhere but stay mostly in Jerusalem and Israel as a whole, but send one person out to the whole world?
                              Note that Jesus does not force people to obey His commandments, and Paul had helpers (e.g. Romans 16:3).

                              Also, the 12 did go out into the world. For example, tradition says that Andrew made it all the way to India, and Peter reached Babylon (1 Peter 5:13).

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                              • Right Divider said in post #296:

                                There are many "gospels" in scripture.
                                Note that there is only one, for:

                                Galatians 1:6  ¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
                                7  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
                                8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
                                9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

                                The 12 were not accursed because they taught the same gospel of grace that Paul did. For:

                                1 Peter 5:12b  . . . this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.

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