The false doctrine of the immortality of the soul (or State of the Dead).

Hobie

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One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This doctrine more than any other opens the door to spurious views regarding the afterlife, and it has permeated the religious world with its false promises and claims. Moreover, it offers false promises of ways other than Christ, that can be made in terms of one’s salvation. Communication with evil spirits, reincarnation and necromancy or the worship and consulting of the dead are some the things which come in because of this doctrine. The Bible is clear to stay away from these things rooted in a false perception of death. It has deceived many to believe that when we die, we have a separate "soul" that continues to live on. Those who are bad go to "hell" and the good go to heaven, so what need do they have of Christ. This belief came from the Pagan world and Greek philosophy, not the Bible. So what is the truth? Take a look at how we were created:

Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'

Now according to the popular belief today, we are a soul that lives on after we are dead. But can you see the truth in the above Bible verse? Man BECAME a "living soul" with the breath of God (spirit) in him. So what will happen when that breath of God (spirit) goes out? ... Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'

We have the breath of God that keeps us alive and makes us "LIVING SOULS". But without that breath of God in us, we become dust or break down to the most basic elements. We were not given a soul, we are living souls while we are alive.
 

betsy123

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One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This doctrine more than any other opens the door to spurious views regarding the afterlife, and it has permeated the religious world with its false promises and claims. Moreover, it offers false promises of ways other than Christ, that can be made in terms of one’s salvation.


The human soul is immortal - that's Biblical!

Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2


Communication with evil spirits, reincarnation and necromancy or the worship and consulting of the dead are some the things which come in because of this doctrine. The Bible is clear to stay away from these things rooted in a false perception of death.

Necromancy also include divinations and sorcery. We are forbidden because those practices involve the devil. You end up dealing with evil spirits! We have to rely on God for information.


It has deceived many to believe that when we die, we have a separate "soul" that continues to live on. Those who are bad go to "hell" and the good go to heaven, so what need do they have of Christ.

As shown, the soul being immortal is biblical.
Those who are "bad" are those who have not accepted Jesus Christ. They are the non-believers.

That's why Jesus died for our sins that we may have that opportunity to eternal life.



This belief came from the Pagan world and Greek philosophy, not the Bible. So what is the truth? Take a look at how we were created:

Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'

Now according to the popular belief today, we are a soul that lives on after we are dead. But can you see the truth in the above Bible verse? Man BECAME a "living soul" with the breath of God (spirit) in him. So what will happen when that breath of God (spirit) goes out? ... Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'

That describes our physical body. Didn't God form man out of dust?
When the body dies, the soul of the person lives on.


We have the breath of God that keeps us alive and makes us "LIVING SOULS". But without that breath of God in us, we become dust or break down to the most basic elements. We were not given a soul, we are living souls while we are alive.

It is the physical body that dies - the soul is immortal - and that is supported by numerous verses in the Scriptures.
 

Hobie

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The human soul is immortal - that's Biblical!

Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2




Necromancy also include divinations and sorcery. We are forbidden because those practices involve the devil. You end up dealing with evil spirits! We have to rely on God for information.




As shown, the soul being immortal is biblical.
Those who are "bad" are those who have not accepted Jesus Christ. They are the non-believers.

That's why Jesus died for our sins that we may have that opportunity to eternal life.





That describes our physical body. Didn't God form man out of dust?
When the body dies, the soul of the person lives on.




It is the physical body that dies - the soul is immortal - and that is supported by numerous verses in the Scriptures.
Then why do you need Christ if you are immortal, that's not biblical. The text of Genesis 2:7 clearly states that God breathed into the formed man the "breath of life" and man became a living soul. He did not receive a living soul; he became one. The New King James Bible states that "man became a living being". Of the many references to soul and spirit in the Bible, never once is either the soul or the Spirit declared to be immortal, imperishable or eternal. Indeed only God has immortality its clear.

1 Timothy 1:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 

Zeke

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One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This doctrine more than any other opens the door to spurious views regarding the afterlife, and it has permeated the religious world with its false promises and claims. Moreover, it offers false promises of ways other than Christ, that can be made in terms of one’s salvation. Communication with evil spirits, reincarnation and necromancy or the worship and consulting of the dead are some the things which come in because of this doctrine. The Bible is clear to stay away from these things rooted in a false perception of death. It has deceived many to believe that when we die, we have a separate "soul" that continues to live on. Those who are bad go to "hell" and the good go to heaven, so what need do they have of Christ. This belief came from the Pagan world and Greek philosophy, not the Bible. So what is the truth? Take a look at how we were created:

Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'

Now according to the popular belief today, we are a soul that lives on after we are dead. But can you see the truth in the above Bible verse? Man BECAME a "living soul" with the breath of God (spirit) in him. So what will happen when that breath of God (spirit) goes out? ... Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'

We have the breath of God that keeps us alive and makes us "LIVING SOULS". But without that breath of God in us, we become dust or break down to the most basic elements. We were not given a soul, we are living souls while we are alive.

Yea that's true for you, how a man thinks determines his mentally. Christ's the unborn light never goes out except for becoming aa a weak man who is a mortal persona asleep in ignorance of his own I AM being Christ, 2 Timothy 2:13. Your religion has taught you to look outwardly for Luke 17:20, Matt 11:11, Luke 17:21, 1 Corinthians 3:16. your definitely thinking like a mortal man who is versed in dead letter impossibilities even God can't overcome, Ephesians 5:14, John 1:9.

Cast your net on the right side, John 21:6, your left brained thoughts will never discerns the spiritual symbolism of the scriptures stories Galatians 4:24.
 

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One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul.........

Ohh... ..I am very disappointed. You were so right in the other thread about Once Saved Always Saved being a false doctrine. But here you are dead wrong.

Our souls are immortal - they shall never die. We will either spend eternity in God's presence or separated from God. That is our choice while we are still here on earth.
 

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The Spirit is immortal, the Body and Soul are not.

The Soul can be destroyed...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


Either way, the Spirit ultimately returns to God...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"
 

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The Spirit is immortal, the Body and Soul are not.

The Soul can be destroyed...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


Either way, the Spirit ultimately returns to God...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"


In man, spirit and soul are one. "Soul" is the life-giving force. Animals have souls, and their souls do cease when they die. But since man's spirit and soul are one, it is grammatically acceptable to use either word.

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365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the "form" of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.239


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In man, spirit and soul are one.

I am of the belief that Body, Soul and Spirit are three separate and distinct entities...

1 Thessalonians 5:23
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"
 

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Ohh... ..I am very disappointed. You were so right in the other thread about Once Saved Always Saved being a false doctrine. But here you are dead wrong.

Our souls are immortal - they shall never die. We will either spend eternity in God's presence or separated from God. That is our choice while we are still here on earth.


If we accept that humans live forever, this would mean that God was not truthful when He spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden...

And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die” (Genesis 2:16,17).

All through the Bible it tells us about the Second Coming of Christ, and that He is the one who will resurrect those saints in the ground. Look at this text in Isaiah, we are given a remarkable prophecy concerning the second coming of Christ Jesus and the doctrine of what happens when we die:

Isaiah 26:19 ...'Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.'

It shows where we dwell until the second coming of Christ Jesus,in the grave, waiting the resurrection, and there is text after text...
 

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Yea that's true for you, how a man thinks determines his mentally. Christ's the unborn light never goes out except for becoming aa a weak man who is a mortal persona asleep in ignorance of his own I AM being Christ, 2 Timothy 2:13. Your religion has taught you to look outwardly for Luke 17:20, Matt 11:11, Luke 17:21, 1 Corinthians 3:16. your definitely thinking like a mortal man who is versed in dead letter impossibilities even God can't overcome, Ephesians 5:14, John 1:9.

Cast your net on the right side, John 21:6, your left brained thoughts will never discerns the spiritual symbolism of the scriptures stories Galatians 4:24.

Then why the judgement, we have nothing of self to make us immortal, it is God who decides. Take a look, man and beast have one breath, they also die the same way.

For that which befalleth the sons of men, befalleth beasts; ... as the one dieth, so dieth the other. Ecclesiastes 3:19.

Both man and animals were created from dust. So, when they die they then return again to dust; just the reverse of creation.

...for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return. Genesis 3:19
 

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If we accept that humans live forever, this would mean that God was not truthful when He spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden...

And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die” (Genesis 2:16,17)....


Not at all. Its a matter of how you are interpreting those words. They DID eat the fruit and they still lived, didn't they. So obviously God meant something else.

In his various commentaries on Genesis, Dr. Scott Hahn returns often to this theme. He explains the divine admonition to Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:17 (“On the day you eat thereof you shall surely die”) as follows:

I should point out an oddity in the Hebrew text of Genesis. The passage translated above as “you shall die” does not accurately represent the original. The Hebrew actually repeats the word die, so that it reads “you shall die die.” Now, in Hebrew, repetition serves to intensify a word (to make it “more” or “surely”); but it seems odd for us to find a repetition of the word die. After all, you can’t get any deader than dead. What could this mean? The greatest of the ancient Jewish commentators, Philo of Alexandria, explained that there are two types of death: the death of the body and the death of the soul. “The death of the man is the separation of the soul from the body,” he wrote. “But the death of the soul is the decay of virtue and the bringing in of wickedness. It is for this reason that God says not only ‘die’ but ‘die the death,’ indicating not the death common to us all, but that special death, which is that of the soul becoming entombed in passions and wickedness of all kinds.

The inescapable fact is that we all deserve death as the punishment for sin, but Jesus endured this punishment on our behalf to free us from such a fate. “By death he conquered death,” we say, but moreso than the overcoming of physical death, Christ’s death and resurrection made it possible for us to escape the eternal death of hell. But the eternal death of hell does await us, as Jesus promised so many time, if we do not repent.


In man, spirit and soul are one. "Soul" is the life-giving force. Animals have souls, and their souls do cease when they die. But since man's spirit and soul are one, it is grammatically acceptable to use either word.

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365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the "form" of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.239


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I am of the belief that Body, Soul and Spirit are three separate and distinct entities...

1 Thessalonians 5:23
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"


I did quote that scripture in my previous post.

Since the soul is the animating force, and since your spirit lives forever, then your soul is still the spirit's lifeiving force, and since "spirits" do not have "parts" as it were, soul and spirit in man are one.
 

Zeke

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Then why the judgement, we have nothing of self to make us immortal, it is God who decides. Take a look, man and beast have one breath, they also die the same way.

For that which befalleth the sons of men, befalleth beasts; ... as the one dieth, so dieth the other. Ecclesiastes 3:19.

Both man and animals were created from dust. So, when they die they then return again to dust; just the reverse of creation.

...for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return. Genesis 3:19

Galatians 4:1, as a man thinks while dead to spiritual thoughts that transcends the earthly mans logic and rationality, his mortal veil of servitude to the limitations of that mental state as a man.
Ecclesiastical wisdom is not heavenly wisdom, its more inline with Johns Outlook as a great man yet missing the inward application of Christ being mans I AM 2 Corinthians 13:5, the mystery beyond man's comprehension Matt 11:11 about being God's dwelling Acts 17:24..
 

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You need to first understand the Jewish concept of a soul back in the days when the Bible was written. Jews in majority (especially Hebrew speakers) back then adapted the Pharisaic concept that soul is the immortal part of a person. The Essenes adapted the same concept but it's rejected by the Sadducees.

The next will be the reasoning why an immortal soul is needed. It's all about valid witnessing. If you committed a crime then disappeared for 10 years and then come back with a complete different body, different finger print, different DNA, then who can tell that you are the same person who committed the crime? "Only God knows" is not always a good witnessing (in the case of Jesus sometimes it stands as a valid witnessing though). Planet earth is actually a place for a valid witnessing to stand such that each and every human can be judged openly in the final Judgment Day.

Another example is, you committed a crime and somehow died, only few know this. Someone then cloned you to stand trial and you are now jailed for a life imprisonment. Is it a fair judgment? This can be said the same in the case of the Resurrection and Judgment. That's why and how a soul is needed to stand valid witnessing on identifying each and every person such that whatever you did on day 1 can be tracked back billion years later in an eternity.

That being said. A soul is the real you, while your physical body is just a replica residing in this material space. At the point of your death, your soul will start to take over to represent the real you. It's resided in an adjacent space the Jews reckoned as Sheol or Hades in Greek. A human is designed to live in stages. Earth is more like a stage 1 of an eternity. That's why other than a soul you need something which is stage dependent. It's the spirit which does the job. The spirit carries something such as your earthly emotions and affections till the point of your death.

At the point of your death, the spirit leaves you, it's said to have returned to God. At the same time it means that, after your death you (your soul) will no longer have the same love for your parents or children. It's analog to your ex boyfriends or girlfriends, you still have memories about them, but your love for them is gone.


Thus you have a soul, a spirit, and a body which serves as an image for other humans to reckon you as you. Entities other than physical humans can reckon who you are through your soul instead of your body.
 

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Take a look, man and beast have one breath, they also die the same way.


Nope. We're not talking about the physical here.

God didn't breathe life in animal's nostrils the way He did with man.


Genesis 2:7
“And the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.”



It's that breath that has made man a living SOUL.
 

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The Spirit is immortal, the Body and Soul are not.

The Soul can be destroyed...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


Either way, the Spirit ultimately returns to God...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

Then Lazarus was taken from immortal back to mortal, that just doesn't work. Jesus told the disciples if you check:

Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, if he sleep he shall do well. Howbeit, Jesus spoke of his death; but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. John 11:11-14

The disciples were confused and thought Christ meant natural sleep, but He meant the sleep of death.
When Jesus go there He found that Lazarus had already been four days in the tomb. So talking to Martha, He tried to comfort her by saying,
'Thy brother shall rise again.' Martha saith unto him, 'I know that He shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' John 11:23,24

Martha knew that life would be restored to Lazarus only in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus demonstrated through the resurrection of Lazarus that He was the One who could resurrect the dead according to His claim:

I am the resurrection and the life. John 11:25

Jesus is the one who resurrects and gives us eternal life, not ourselves. So that idea of the soul is not correct.
 

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In man, spirit and soul are one. "Soul" is the life-giving force. Animals have souls, and their souls do cease when they die. But since man's spirit and soul are one, it is grammatically acceptable to use either word.

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365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the "form" of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.239


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It doesn't matter how you put it, when a person dies, everything ceases, and they await the resurrection at the Second Coming. Man was never meant to die, but death came into the world as a consequence of sin.

For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23

As death is non-life, it merely means that God takes the life ("rûach" spirit, breath) that He granted on condition of obedience back and man ceases to live. It is the life that was given that returns to God, and not a transformed version of man in the form a spirit being. When God said that man would "surely die" (Genesis 2:17) if he transgressed God's requirements, He meant that man would cease to live, and would return to dust.

Far from being a conscious state floating on a cloud or looking down at everyone and 'communicating in séances or other falsehoods, death is thus the ultimate state of non-being or unconsciousness, and is described as such in the Scriptures.

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:4

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything. Ecclesiastes 9:5

The dead are oblivious to what is happening on earth they know nothing.

Also their love, and their hatred and their envy is now perished. Ecclesiastes 9:6

For in death there is no remembrance of You; in the grave who will give you thanks? Psalm 6:5
 

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....so I won't be immortal in hell!

I suppose you don't believe in eternal punishment too? ;)

The wicked do not get eternal life. Here are some verses about the wicked perishing. That is coming to a complete end, a state of non existence.

Ps 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Ps 68:1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.
3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

Ps 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

Ps 112:10 The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.

Isa 41:11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

1 Cor 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

II Th 2:110 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Pet 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

As the above verse indicates, the result of eternal fire is annihilation. Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire, and they were totally consumed, they no longer exist.
 

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The wicked do not get eternal life.

Their punishment is eternal. Eternal fire. Whether fire is a figure of speech for an agonizing punishment - the Bible describes the punishment as eternal.

Daniel 12
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.


Matthew 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


Matthew 3
12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”


2 Thess 1
8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might


Rev 14
10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever,


Rev 20
10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.




Here are some verses about the wicked perishing. That is coming to a complete end, a state of non existence.

Ps 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Ps 68:1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.
3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

Ps 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

Ps 112:10 The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.

Isa 41:11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

1 Cor 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

II Th 2:110 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Pet 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

As the above verse indicates, the result of eternal fire is annihilation. Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire, and they were totally consumed, they no longer exist.

You're basing it on the term, "perish."
The term "perishing," is a figure of speech, and cannot be taken literally to mean annihilation, since it contradicts numerous passages that talks about ETERNAL punishment.


The punishment is clearly described as eternal, everlasting, forever and ever - they won't be extinguished. We are also fully conscious in hell.




Jesus gave a description of it:



Luke 16
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


 
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