Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Many Churches are picking up the false Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture", and give the people the idea that if you are a real Christian you will be caught up in the secret rapture to be with Christ. To arrive at this the Scripture has to be twisted and taken out of context.
    Here are some of the texts that have been quoted as referring to the rapture:-
    1.The Church will meet Christ in the air - 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    2.The Church will be taken to heaven - 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and John 14:3
    3.Christ will come for His saints - 2 Thessalonians 2:1
    4.The rapture is a mystery - 1 Corinthians 15:51
    5.The righteous will be removed - 1 Thessalonians 4:17

    The verse, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 used in 1, 2, and 5 has been twisted to make it seem to say the things they claim. Let us look at this verse in context with the verses around it.
    1 Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
    Verse 14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
    Verse 15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep."
    Verse 16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
    Verse 17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
    Verse 18 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
    Verses 13 - 15 says sorrow not for those that are asleep or dead, Jesus died and rose again and so conquered death. When He comes again these people He will raise from the grave as verse 16 explains and then in verse 17 we which are alive and remain will be caught up with those that have been raised from the grave to be ever with the Lord Jesus Christ. This quote can fit nowhere else but the second coming of Jesus - verse 15.


    John 14:3 used in number 2 tells us that after Jesus arose, He told His disciples that He was going to prepare a place for them, referring also to all the righteous, and that he was coming again to receive all the righteous unto Himself. It is refering to the time when Christ comes at His 2nd coming.
    John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."
    Verse 2 "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
    Verse 3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."


    2 Thessalonians 2:1 used in number 3 is correct but let us put the correct interpretation to it. Read verses 1, 2, and 3 and the reader will see that verse 1 tells us that Christ is coming again to gather His people to Himself; verse 2 tells us not to be troubled but hold firm; verse 3 tells us not to be deceived for that day shall not come until the man of sin -"The Pope" - is revealed; and verse 4 gives us a description of what the man of sin is like.
    2 Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"
    Verse 2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
    Verse 3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
    Verse 4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

    1 Corinthians 15:51 used in number 4 is taken completely out of context. By reading verse 52 also we find that we shall not all sleep, but those that are alive when Christ comes the second time at the end of the seven last plagues, shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. This is the very same meaning as in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 which is talking about the second coming.
    1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
    Verse 51 "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
    Verse 52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
    Verse 53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
    Last edited by Hobie; September 27th, 2019, 06:53 AM.

  • #2
    So don't be deceived by the false doctrine of the Secret Rapture. The Second Coming will be seen by everyone so its kind of hard to have a "Secret Rapture" with everyone watching. So how will Christ return and how will the Second Coming unfold, well lets start at how he ascended:

    And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly toward Heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, 'Ye men of Galilee; why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven'. Acts 1:9-l l.

    Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him. Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

    ...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

    When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory. Matthew 25:31

    ...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

    Jesus return in the clouds will be visible to everyone on earth and will not be any kind of secret, or only seen or experience by a select few. Christ also warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

    Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

    Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:26,27

    ...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

    Jesus return in the clouds will great a audible sound so that everyone on earth know of his coming, not just a select few.

    And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

    The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

    Jesus will return in the clouds while everyone sees and hears his Second Coming and the faithful, those that had died and those alive will be picked up and meet him in mid-air in the cloud of his angels. The redeemed (elect) will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky, the verses make clear it is not a secret rapture.

    For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

    And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31 NIV

    At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

    Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalm 50:5

    The living righteous are changed in moments at the last trumpet. We cannot go to heaven with pain, sickness, disease, we will be transformed in a instance, all these things will be taken away. Our bodies will be changed into the likeness of His, incorruptible, and changed to immortal.

    Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: 'Death is swallowed up in victory.' 1 Corinthians 15: 51-54 NKJV

    For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body... Philippians 3:20, 21 NKJV

    Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He shall appear, we shall be like Him . . and every man that hath this hope in Him, purifieth himself, even as He is pure. 1 John 3:2,3 NKJV

    He will swallow up death in victory, and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall He take away from off all the earth; for the Lord has spoken it. And it shall be said in that day: 'Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us. This is the Lord; we have waited for Him; we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation.' Isaiah 25:8,9
    Last edited by Hobie; September 27th, 2019, 06:55 AM.

    Comment


    • #3
      Here is a excellant explanation from the book Truth Matters by Dr. Walter Veith:

      "....the doctrine of the secret rapture which proposes that the people of God will be secretly taken to heaven while the unconverted remain on the earth to receive what is tantamount to a second chance. The second chance doctrine is a doctrine of false hope which does not encourage people to change their lives and make right with God.

      Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. Isaiah 55:7

      But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statues, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 'Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?' says the Lord, 'and not that he should turn from his ways and live?' Ezekial 18:21-23 NKJV

      God's justice cannot be compromised. Salvation is conditional to obedience. We will be held accountable for our deeds.

      For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Matthew 16:27

      God is just. He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you, and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:6,7 NIV

      According to these texts, relief for the righteous and recompense for the wicked take place at the same time - at the return of Christ. Dispensationalists separate these events by a period of seven years. First the rapture, then the destruction of antichrist at the second coming. During this supposed period, the Jewish people will have gone through the tribulation and will have come to accept Christ.

      The glory of Christ's second coming leaves no hint of secrecy. The events occurring at the second coming are all described as occurring at the same time. The return of Christ is the blessed hope of the people of God: Jesus is to be revealed. Dispensationalists do not believe in Spiritual Israel (the church) but believe that the promises are for literal Israel. They thus separate the Church from Israel, but the Bible makes no such distinction....."

      Comment


      • #4
        A short comment: Eccl 12:12 gives His feelings on this matter. And further, by these, my son, be admonished of the making many books there is no end; and much Study is a weariness of the flesh. The Bible,(King James), a Strong’s Concordance, an interlineal Bible, is mostly all you need. Let me give on telling example. In Genesis where God took the “curve” from Adam’s body to create Eve. Most all the Churches translate curve to rib; not bothering to dig deep. The Hebrew translation of curve is exactly that, curve. Back then and even now it has always been the helix curve. God knew that even if we did not. So, God removed the feminine part of Adam’s DNA to create Eve. Think about it. Thank you. Fred Eans

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Fred Eans View Post
          A short comment: Eccl 12:12 gives His feelings on this matter. And further, by these, my son, be admonished of the making many books there is no end; and much Study is a weariness of the flesh. The Bible,(King James), a Strong’s Concordance, an interlineal Bible, is mostly all you need. Let me give on telling example. In Genesis where God took the “curve” from Adam’s body to create Eve. Most all the Churches translate curve to rib; not bothering to dig deep. The Hebrew translation of curve is exactly that, curve. Back then and even now it has always been the helix curve. God knew that even if we did not. So, God removed the feminine part of Adam’s DNA to create Eve. Think about it. Thank you. Fred Eans
          Well, all the versions are pretty clear, the second coming of Christ will be seen by all the world, its not secret. The Secret Rapture is clearly a false teaching, those who believe in it cannot even agree on when it is going to happen - pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib. There is just complete confusion regarding what they have in this doctrine. And yet the Bible is so clear there is no secret rapture.

          Matthew 24:27

          For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

          Comment


          • #6
            It's no secret. Paul describes it in the Bible. You don't like the Bible?
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Hobie View Post
              Well, all the versions are pretty clear, the second coming of Christ will be seen by all the world, its not secret. The Secret Rapture is clearly a false teaching, those who believe in it cannot even agree on when it is going to happen - pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib. There is just complete confusion regarding what they have in this doctrine. And yet the Bible is so clear there is no secret rapture.

              Matthew 24:27

              For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
              Lack of rightly dividing the word of truth leads to your sort of confusion.
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                It's no secret. Paul describes it in the Bible. You don't like the Bible?
                Lets use the Bible then...

                Matthew 13:24-30 King James Version (KJV)

                24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
                25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
                26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
                27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
                28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
                29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
                30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

                The false idea of the Secret Rapture is that Jesus will suddenly rapture away the church BEFORE the end of the world and BEFORE the lost tares are gathered, and then the world will CONTINUE another 7 years, during which there will be great tribulation. So the rapture doctrine teaches that Christ will take the saved FIRST. But what does the above Bible verses confirm? They confirm that the wheat (saints) and the tares (wicked lost) grow TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST, and then the LOST are taken FIRST. There are verses upon verses showing that the Secret Rapture is not scriptural.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hobie View Post
                  Lets use the Bible then...

                  Matthew 13:24-30 King James Version (KJV)

                  24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
                  25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
                  26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
                  27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
                  28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
                  29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
                  30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

                  The false idea of the Secret Rapture is that Jesus will suddenly rapture away the church BEFORE the end of the world and BEFORE the lost tares are gathered, and then the world will CONTINUE another 7 years, during which there will be great tribulation. So the rapture doctrine teaches that Christ will take the saved FIRST. But what does the above Bible verses confirm? They confirm that the wheat (saints) and the tares (wicked lost) grow TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST, and then the LOST are taken FIRST. There are verses upon verses showing that the Secret Rapture is not scriptural.
                  The "catching away" is taught by Paul in the Bible... therefore.... it's not a "secret".

                  That you cannot rightly divide the word of truth will continue to cause you great confusion.
                  All of my ancestors are human.
                  Originally posted by Squeaky
                  That explains why your an idiot.
                  Originally posted by God's Truth
                  Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                  Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                  (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                  1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                  (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                  Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                    It's no secret. Paul describes it in the Bible. You don't like the Bible?
                    Now the test used to support the secret rapture is usually this one:

                    'For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming' Matthew 24:38-42.

                    This text does not prove a secret rapture. It merely points out that at the return of Christ, some will be saved and others will be lost.

                    The dispensationalist view that the Antichrist will arise after the secret rapture is also not in line with the teaching of Scripture. The Bible clearly teaches that this power will arise from the Church, not after the Church:

                    'Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us' 1 John 2:18-19 .

                    The 'secret rapture; is not a Biblical teaching, and clearly twists the truth to come up with a false doctrine.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hobie View Post
                      Now the test used to support the secret rapture is usually this one:

                      'For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming' Matthew 24:38-42.

                      This text does not prove a secret rapture. It merely points out that at the return of Christ, some will be saved and others will be lost.

                      The dispensationalist view that the Antichrist will arise after the secret rapture is also not in line with the teaching of Scripture. The Bible clearly teaches that this power will arise from the Church, not after the Church:

                      'Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us' 1 John 2:18-19 .

                      The 'secret rapture; is not a Biblical teaching, and clearly twists the truth to come up with a false doctrine.
                      What is described there is NOT the "catching away" Paul teaches.

                      You're what I call a "Bible masher", unable to distinguish things that differ.
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                        What is described there is NOT the "catching away" Paul teaches.

                        You're what I call a "Bible masher", unable to distinguish things that differ.
                        Every eye will see Him, the second coming will be visible and clear to all. The 'Secret Rapture' is a deception so anyone can claim it has happened and people follow false messiahs or charlatans.


                        Matthew 24:30
                        And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

                        Matthew 26:64
                        Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hobie View Post
                          Every eye will see Him, the second coming will be visible and clear to all. The 'Secret Rapture' is a deception so anyone can claim it has happened and people follow false messiahs or charlatans.

                          Matthew 24:30
                          And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

                          Matthew 26:64
                          Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
                          Yes, when He returns TO THE EARTH everyone will see him. Other things happen before and after that.

                          Paul describes the "catching away"... which occurs BEFORE Christ sets foot on the mount of Olives.
                          Last edited by Right Divider; July 3rd, 2019, 07:29 AM. Reason: typo
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                            Yes, when He returns TO THE EARTH everyone will see him. Other things happen before and after that.

                            Paul describe the "catching away"... which occurs BEFORE Christ sets foot on the mount of Olives.
                            Well, you have some parts right, but the saints are taken up in the clouds to meet Christ in the air. He never sets foot on the ground, but takes the saints to heaven as it says in the Bible.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hobie View Post
                              Well, you have some parts right, but the saints are taken up in the clouds to meet Christ in the air. He never sets foot on the ground, but takes the saints to heaven as it says in the Bible.
                              Christ receives the body of Christ in the air BEFORE He returns to set foot on earth to establish the promised kingdom to Israel.

                              Zec 14:1-4 KJV Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. (2) For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (3) Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. (4) And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

                              That will happen when the Lord is ready. Also see Acts 1:11 where the angels mention this also.
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X