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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hobie View Post
    Then you must not have read...

    Matthew 5:19

    Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    1 John 2:3
    And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


    1 John 2:4
    He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.



    1 John 3:22
    And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.



    1 John 3:24
    And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


    1 John 5:2
    By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    See? This is what I'm talking about.

    You're so caught up in your own argument that you don't even realize that your prooftexts fall in line with everything I'm saying.

    Everything in 1 John was written to the Jews.

    And I gave you a verse that has Jesus stating clearly that He was sent only to the house of Israel.

    Thank you for conceding the discussion.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
      See? This is what I'm talking about.

      You're so caught up in your own argument that you don't even realize that your prooftexts fall in line with everything I'm saying.

      Everything in 1 John was written to the Jews.

      And I gave you a verse that has Jesus stating clearly that He was sent only to the house of Israel.

      Thank you for conceding the discussion.
      There were no Jews at Creation, or when Cain killed Abel, so if sin is the transgression of Gods law, it was there.


      Genesis 4:6-8
      6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
      7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
      8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.


      Genesis 13:13
      But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.

      Genesis 18:20
      And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hobie View Post
        There were no Jews at Creation, or when Cain killed Abel, so if sin is the transgression of Gods law, it was there.
        Somehow you lost me.

        What in the world do Cain and Abel have to do with Jesus coming only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
          Somehow you lost me.

          What in the world do Cain and Abel have to do with Jesus coming only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
          He did not just come for the lost sheep of Israel.

          But as Jesus stated
          John 10:16
          And other sheep I have,
          which are not of this fold: them also I must bring,
          and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold,
          and one shepherd.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ioy1273 View Post
            He did not just come for the lost sheep of Israel.

            But as Jesus stated
            John 10:16
            And other sheep I have,
            which are not of this fold: them also I must bring,
            and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold,
            and one shepherd.
            So you're gonna call Jesus a liar then? You're going to assert that He contradicted Himself?

            Because those words in Matthew 15 are Jesus' words:

            Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon.And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” - Matthew 15:21-26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ioy1273 View Post
              He did not just come for the lost sheep of Israel.

              But as Jesus stated
              John 10:16
              And other sheep I have,
              which are not of this fold: them also I must bring,
              and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold,
              and one shepherd.
              Amen

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              • #22
                Christ came for all who will accept His free gift, not just the Jews.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hobie View Post
                  Christ came for all who will accept His free gift, not just the Jews.
                  But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” - Matthew 15:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” - Matthew 15:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV
                    And He also says in John that He came for others. John 10:16
                    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                    Jim Elliot

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                      And He also says in John that He came for others. John 10:16

                      Joh 10:16 KJV And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

                      It doesn't just says "others", it says other SHEEP. God refers to Israel as His sheep. Paul never once refers to believers as sheep.

                      Jer 50:17 KJV Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

                      The "other sheep" that Jesus was referring to are the Israelites scattered into the gentiles nations.

                      Jer 23:1-8 KJV Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. (2) Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. (3) And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. (4) And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD. (5) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. (6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. (7) Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; (8) But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

                      That was what the good Shepherd was talking about.
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                      • #26
                        Paul preached the Gospel of God's Grace. Acts 20:24

                        But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
                        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                        Charles Spurgeon !

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                          Paul preached the Gospel of God's Grace. Acts 20:24

                          But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
                          And?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

                            Joh 10:16 KJV And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

                            It doesn't just says "others", it says other SHEEP. God refers to Israel as His sheep. Paul never once refers to believers as sheep.

                            Jer 50:17 KJV Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

                            The "other sheep" that Jesus was referring to are the Israelites scattered into the gentiles nations.

                            Jer 23:1-8 KJV Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. (2) Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. (3) And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. (4) And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD. (5) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. (6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. (7) Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; (8) But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

                            That was what the good Shepherd was talking about.
                            The term "other sheep" refers to the Gentiles (Isaiah 56:6-8 and Ephesians 3:6). After Jesus death and resurrection the good news went out into the world, and Christ's sheep among the Gentiles responded to the Good Shepards voice. All who were chosen for eternal life became believers (Acts 13:48).
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                              The term "other sheep" refers to the Gentiles (Isaiah 56:6-8 and Ephesians 3:6).


                              “Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, And to love the name of the Lord , to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “Yet I will gather to him Others besides those who are gathered to him.” - Isaiah 56:6-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV

                              Nope, that's talking about Gentiles who become Jews, who take part in the covenant God established with Israel.



                              For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles—if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. - Ephesians 3:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=NKJV

                              Nope. Completely different.

                              The nation of Israel is not a body, never described as a body, and was never given a dispensation of Grace, but instead, Law, and the dispensation of grace was not revealed to Israel, but kept a mystery from the creation of the world to Paul, as Paul says, "which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets..."

                              After Jesus death and resurrection the good news went out into the world, and Christ's sheep among the Gentiles responded to the Good Shepards voice.
                              How soon after? and how far did it go? Which books do you learn this from?

                              All who were chosen for eternal life became believers (Acts 13:48).
                              Rather, it's simply, to use an analogy, saying that those who purchased bus tickets got on the bus.

                              It wasn't predetermined (and I use that term loosely) beforehand who would purchase tickets.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post


                                “Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, And to love the name of the Lord , to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “Yet I will gather to him Others besides those who are gathered to him.” - Isaiah 56:6-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV

                                Nope, that's talking about Gentiles who become Jews, who take part in the covenant God established with Israel.



                                For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles—if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. - Ephesians 3:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=NKJV

                                Nope. Completely different.

                                The nation of Israel is not a body, never described as a body, and was never given a dispensation of Grace, but instead, Law, and the dispensation of grace was not revealed to Israel, but kept a mystery from the creation of the world to Paul, as Paul says, "which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets..."



                                How soon after? and how far did it go? Which books do you learn this from?



                                Rather, it's simply, to use an analogy, saying that those who purchased bus tickets got on the bus.

                                It wasn't predetermined (and I use that term loosely) beforehand who would purchase tickets.
                                Do you believe in Jesus. Are you a Jew? You and I are Part of the "other".
                                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                                Jim Elliot

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