The opposite of spiritual, frump, is not flesh and bones.
False dichotomy.
He is flesh and bones now, as you've been shown, with chapter, verse.
Did God become flesh?
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The opposite of spiritual, frump, is not flesh and bones.
False dichotomy.
He is flesh and bones now, as you've been shown, with chapter, verse.
Can you show me?
He, the last Adam, was flesh and bones, like the first Adam was, initially, and the Lord Jesus Christ is flesh and bones, today.
I cannot communicate with you.
You search yourself right after Jesus resurrected accounts.
I cannot accept your word to me without the evidence.
Try a glorified body, composed of flesh and bones.
I know....That is too deep for you, frump.
God made Him flesh and blood. Now His mission accomplished, He went back to His old self, spirit, like God is spirit.
There are many spirit beings, and the Father is the chief Spirit.
suit yourself. I cannot help you because I cannot communicate with you.
You just lied again-why?:
Luke 24:39 KJV Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Ephesians 5:30 KJV for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
And her utter disregard for the details of the book, which she treats like an old hat:
John 4:24 KJV
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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That is your determination. I am not saying it to you.
Jesus was only showing it is Him. He is not saying He is flesh and born. He was flesh and bone.
Luk 24:36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, "Peace to you."
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
Luk 24:40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
Luk 24:41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?"
Luk 24:42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And He took it and ate in their presence.
Luk 24:44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
Luk 24:45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Luk 24:46 Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
Luk 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And you are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high."
God is the Chief, so I don't make them the same.
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There are not clear and simple explanation about the Spirit. So it is not like God is one doctrine.
God is one is clear doctrine. So it is apple and orange comparison.
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Those are not verses in the OLD Testament. I think you've missed the point entirely.
Originally Posted by john w
There actually is one statement, but you probably won't like it, because ...
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
(6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
... because it also proves exactly what you're protesting against.
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So, "Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see Me and live" (Exodus 33:20) ... what exactly do you think it means by "face?" "It is impossible for Jesus to be Jehovah?" I think you're reading that out of context.
Exodus 33:11 KJV
(11) And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Jesus spoke to us face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend, did he not?
Considering the context of Christ's statement is that he is speaking with authority and not without authority, and that he is maintaining that his words are equal to God's words, and that this is also within the context of the "Father" and "Son" metaphor, then no, if anything that statement reinforces that Jesus is indeed Jehovah in the flesh.
Most of your reasoning seems to be a few presumptions taken to a far extreme, but ignoring the clear explanatory text and especially ignoring the identification Jesus provides in the Revelation. You're allowed to be confused, and there could have been no crucifixion if Jesus had displayed his full power, but you should be willing to listen to Him when he identifies himself.
Revelation 1:8 KJV
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:11 KJV
(11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Revelation 1:17-18 KJV
(17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
(18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
None of your proof-texts have ever been definitive. Jesus does speak definitively and his word should be the final say here.
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Meshak, what do you think Jesus meant when he said that no one has seen God at any time?
Exodus 33:11 KJV
(11) And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
I don't think he meant to exclude God appearing to man directly in front of him, speaking face to face as we speak. What do you think he meant?
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John 17:5 KJV
(5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Are you sure about that Lazy Afternoon?
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