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  • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
    Thank you for your effort. Yet, there are holes in the math you have used. While I do not have the time to explain nor do I have to the time to debate this any further, the bottom line is: You have not changed my mind.

    Again thank you for the effort and the special effects were excellent!

    Do hope you have a great day sir.

    Blade
    So you're just here to waste everyone's time like so many others.

    If you don't have time to discuss the issues and responses to this thread, then don't reply to it.
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
      Mr. Chair...I am a person that very carefully evaluates what is said and try very hard to not misunderstand anything, especially when I have heard it several times.

      I don't really care what NASA has to say on its web site. In my opinion, they are liars and cannot be trusted for anything. Again, that is my opinion and I hope you respect that.

      Yes, I have not heard about Israel's moon landing but it does not surprise me.

      Have only heard about the Indian landing on Mars and they emphasized that the landing took place on the very first try. This ad was a radio commercial/doc. Only about 15 sec or so in length and have only heard it once or twice as I do not listen to the radio very much.

      The idea that the earth is most likely flat has nothing to do with the way You or I are living today. I believe that it is flat as I believe in the literal, historical and grammatical WORD of GOD. It is simple as that.

      Do not think that I have come to my conclusion(s) overnight. It took many years of 'off and on' research to convince myself of this fact. Like I said, I was once where you are at today.

      Mr. Chair: I hope you take the Sun Probe (commercial/doc--30-60 seconds)it as I have presented it to you; in good faith.

      I do hope you have a good day sir.

      Blade
      Please post a link to the Sun Probe commercial you are talking about. I apologize if you have posted it already and I missed it.

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      • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
        Thank you for your effort. Yet, there are holes in the math you have used. While I do not have the time to explain nor do I have to the time to debate this any further, the bottom line is: You have not changed my mind.

        Again thank you for the effort and the special effects were excellent!

        Do hope you have a great day sir.

        Blade
        Realized you were in over your head right?
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        • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
          So you're just here to waste everyone's time like so many others.

          If you don't have time to discuss the issues and responses to this thread, then don't reply to it.
          I am not in the habit of debating or even talking to anyone who calls me names simply because they do not agree with what I said.

          You said: "That explains why your an idiot."


          Do I need to place you in that category?

          have a good evening

          Blade

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          • Originally posted by chair View Post
            Please post a link to the Sun Probe commercial you are talking about. I apologize if you have posted it already and I missed it.
            Chair... I am not sure I can....The "Sun Probe" was a TV commercial!

            Blade

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            • Originally posted by Knight View Post
              Realized you were in over your head right?
              Not at all sir! I have been around and understand that insults are part of any forum. However, if the other person I am speaking with wishes to lower themselves by unnecessary insults, they can do it by themselves.

              I will not help them get to the bottom!

              I do hope you have a good evening!

              Blade


              1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

              Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
              Last edited by Bladerunner; March 14th, 2019, 07:14 PM. Reason: added comments

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              • Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                In order to fly from New York to southeast Asia, which is west and south of New York, the fastest straight line route is to fly northwest from New York instead of southwest.
                Southeast Asia is south and west of New York. But instead you fly northwest, in a certain direction, on a straight line, and you'll get to southeast Asia much faster than by flying southwest from New York instead.
                How is it possible if the earth's flat?

                I'm not saying that it's proof, but it really demands a satisfactory explanation.

                If I want to go west, and south of my current position, then I head south-west.

                But not from New York to Southeast Asia.

                For that, I go north-west, and I get there quicker!

                Both flying south-west, and flying north-west will get you to Southeast Asia from New York, but north-west is much quicker!

                On a flat earth, how it can be?

                What's the explanation?
                "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                @Nee_Nihilo

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                • But over 2,000 years earlier in ancient Greece, a man arrived at nearly that exact same figure by putting a stick in the ground. That man was Eratosthenes. A Greek mathematician and the head of the library at Alexandria.

                  Eratosthenes had heard that in Syene, a city south of Alexandria, no vertical shadows were cast at noon on the summer solstice. The sun was directly overhead. He wondered if this were also true in Alexandria.

                  So, on June 21 he planted a stick directly in the ground and waited to see if a shadow would be cast at noon. It turns out there was one. And it measured about 7 degrees.

                  Now, if the sun's rays are coming in at the same angle at the same time of day, and a stick in Alexandria is casting a shadow while a stick in Syene is not, it must mean that the Earth's surface is curved. And Eratosthenes probably already knew that.

                  The idea of a spherical Earth was floated around by Pythagoras around 500 BC and validated by Aristotle a couple centuries later. If the Earth really was a sphere, Eratosthenes could use his observations to estimate the circumference of the entire planet.

                  Since the difference in shadow length is 7 degrees in Alexandria and Syene, that means the two cities are 7 degrees apart on Earth's 360-degrees surface. Eratosthenes hired a man to pace the distance between the two cities and learned they were 5,000 stadia apart, which is about 800 kilometres.

                  He could then use simple proportions to find the Earth's circumference — 7.2 degrees is 1/50 of 360 degrees, so 800 times 50 equals 40,000 kilometers. And just like that, a man 2200 years ago found the circumference of our entire planet with just a stick and his brain.
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                  • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                    I am not in the habit of debating or even talking to anyone who calls me names simply because they do not agree with what I said.

                    You said: "That explains why your an idiot."


                    Do I need to place you in that category?

                    have a good evening

                    Blade
                    No I did not say that. Another user was saying that to someone else. Perhaps you should learn what a QUOTE BOX looks like (and also note that that QUOTE BOX is in my SIGNATURE and has nothing to do with you).

                    At the top of the QUOTE BOX you will see "Originally Posted by Squeaky".

                    Also, perhaps you did not see the IRONY in that statement of HIS. HE could not even use proper English ("your" should be "your're") and was yet calling someone else an idiot.

                    If you're not in the "habit of debating" then you do not belong in this thread and should not bother commenting here.
                    All of my ancestors are human.
                    Originally posted by Squeaky
                    That explains why your an idiot.
                    Originally posted by God's Truth
                    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                    • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                      Mr. Clete, My apologies for not using "reply with Quote". I usually try to use "reply" when I have something that is general and not specific to anyone person. In your case, I will use "reply with Quote" as you wish?

                      The colors I pick stay unless that is against the forums rules?

                      Is it not called hypocrisy if you call me out on colors yet in this post you are using at least three different colors?
                      No, but it is stupid to accuse someone of being a hypocrite when they specifically explained why they said what they said.

                      I don't actually care what color you use and using color for emphasis or to distinguish one thing from another is entirely a different thing than having your entire post in some color or format other than what every other person on the forum typically uses. As I said, doing so is silly (sort of gay, if you ask me) but again, the point was to give an example of a personal opinion as apposed to something like whether the Earth is round or not - get it?

                      You said:"...is either stupid, a liar, indoctrinated or a combination of the three".

                      Yes, it is your opinion, based on facts that have convinced you. It is the same process only a different view for myself. Calling me a names will not effect a different outcome in my opinion.
                      You are stupid.

                      You think math is opinion! You think that calculating the sides and angles of a right triangle using the Pythagorean Theorem is a process in opinion making.

                      If you actually do believe that, which at this point I'm thoroughly convinced you do, you are flatly stupid and beyond any hope whatsoever of being convinced of anything other than what you want to believe.

                      And that isn't merely name calling. The word 'stupid' means something that applies directly to you. I'm not kidding and I'm not saying this for effect. I'm stating a fact. Your mind does not work, either by design or by intent - probably the later, which is the worse of the two. In your current condition knowledge is beyond your grasp. Everything is opinion, everything is conjecture and nothing is sure, solid, certain or known.

                      Peas taste terrible. - Opinion!
                      People from Africa are just as human as people from Europe. - Opinion!
                      Ford makes good cars. - Opinion!
                      The sky is blue. - Opinion!
                      The Earth is round. - Opinion!
                      God exists. - Opinion!
                      Jesus is the Messiah. - Opinion!

                      That's the world in which you live!

                      I was going to ask for the post that you gave your proof but you have already provided it below. I will read it and let you know what I think of it.

                      And you can dispense with your flattery as you are simply wasting your breathe, I learned a long time ago, words attacking someone else does nothing except reflex on the one who is speaking.
                      Flattery?

                      You're stupid and a fool.

                      I'd rather you have not read it. It was wasted on you.

                      I will agree with your findings BUT, it seems you have left out the size of the sun (magnification if any and what type).
                      If one takes a flashlight while standing in the middle of your living room floor, point the light to the floor while holding the it chest-high. There is a "circle"(not a ball)of light on the floor which the light illuminates. Outside this circle, it continually gets darker the further away you get from the circle of light on the floor.

                      Lets, go one step further.Use the above principle with a penlight or a light with magnification and or zoom lens. The result are astonishing and do not correlate with your math project below

                      The question is: Since GOD made the SUN and MOON and Stars,,,,,,What Kind of light did HE use. If you know the answer to this then some will consider you a GOD, I will not!
                      WHAT?

                      I am now thoroughly convinced that these flat Earthers are all universally stupid. I can't even understand how such an "argument" can be allowed to proceed out of a breathing human being's mouth, never mind formulated in their mind and accepted as anything that is remotely valid!


                      Look, the size of the Sun is all together irrelevant. The argument is about angles above the horizon, not the object's size (actual or apparent). The FACT (i.e. not opinion) that the Sun sets at all, especially when coupled with the fact that it is ALWAYS solar noon at some longitude is proof that the Earth cannot be flat - period.

                      Thank you for your effort. Yet, there are holes in the math you have used. While I do not have the time to explain nor do I have to the time to debate this any further, the bottom line is: You have not changed my mind.

                      Again thank you for the effort and the special effects were excellent!

                      Do hope you have a great day sir.

                      Blade
                      This was a lie.

                      It's easy enough to say that there are holes in the math and it wouldn't have taken another five minutes to at least state simply what the nature of such holes were. Of course, no one has the time to explain the nature of holes that do not exist.

                      This was nothing at all but an admission of defeat and a declaration of your unwillingness to allow plain reason to persuade your mind.

                      I take it back, it wasn't wasted on you, not entirely. Now, anyone who reads this exchange can know how intellectually dishonest and vapid you are (and flat earthers generally, for that matter).

                      You're an embarrassment to yourself and to the entire Christian faith. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

                      Clete


                      P.S. If someone is wondering why I come down so hard on these people it's because it seems the majority of these morons call themselves Christians. They are a detriment to the entire faith! They will cause people to reject their only hope of escaping Hell and they'll do it in the name of Christ! It's utterly complete stupidity and it has nothing at all to do with the Bible, the Christian faith or anything else that is real or even rational. It is not okay for them to just be allowed to go on their merry way thinking that they can rightly hold to such nonsense and be anywhere within normal Christian doctrine, belief or practice.
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                      • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                        No I did not say that. Another user was saying that to someone else. Perhaps you should learn what a QUOTE BOX looks like (and also note that that QUOTE BOX is in my SIGNATURE and has nothing to do with you).

                        At the top of the QUOTE BOX you will see "Originally Posted by Squeaky".

                        Also, perhaps you did not see the IRONY in that statement of HIS. HE could not even use proper English ("your" should be "your're") and was yet calling someone else an idiot.

                        If you're not in the "habit of debating" then you do not belong in this thread and should not bother commenting here.

                        Hello, Right Divider..I do believe I ask you about that wording for squeaky. I did not know if that was you or it was from him. And no I did not pay attention to His wording... It is good to know that we can have a conversation without calling each other out or names..

                        I am glad.

                        Have a good day

                        Blade

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                        • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                          Hello, Right Divider..I do believe I ask you about that wording for squeaky.
                          Please post in intelligible English.

                          Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                          I did not know if that was you or it was from him.
                          It was quite easy to tell. If you cannot understand simple things, how will you discuss anything complex?

                          It's super SIMPLE.. its says "Originally Posted by Squeaky".

                          See... that means that Squeaky originally posted that.... see.... not me.... got it?

                          Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                          And no I did not pay attention to His wording...
                          You don't seem to pay attention to much.

                          Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                          It is good to know that we can have a conversation without calling each other out or names..

                          I am glad.

                          Have a good day

                          Blade
                          We can.

                          So once again, this thread is a debate about flat earth. If you "don't debate" then you are in the wrong place.
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                          • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post

                            Hello, Right Divider..I do believe I ask you about that wording for squeaky. I did not know if that was you or it was from him. And no I did not pay attention to His wording... It is good to know that we can have a conversation without calling each other out or names..

                            I am glad.

                            Have a good day

                            Blade
                            Names like "hypocrite", you mean?
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                            • Originally posted by Clete View Post


                              No, but it is stupid to accuse someone of being a hypocrite when they specifically explained why they said what they said.

                              I don't actually care what color you use and using color for emphasis or to distinguish one thing from another is entirely a different thing than having your entire post in some color or format other than what every other person on the forum typically uses. As I said, doing so is silly (sort of gay, if you ask me) but again, the point was to give an example of a personal opinion as apposed to something like whether the Earth is round or not - get it?


                              You are stupid.

                              You think math is opinion! You think that calculating the sides and angles of a right triangle using the Pythagorean Theorem is a process in opinion making.

                              If you actually do believe that, which at this point I'm thoroughly convinced you do, you are flatly stupid and beyond any hope whatsoever of being convinced of anything other than what you want to believe.

                              And that isn't merely name calling. The word 'stupid' means something that applies directly to you. I'm not kidding and I'm not saying this for effect. I'm stating a fact. Your mind does not work, either by design or by intent - probably the later, which is the worse of the two. In your current condition knowledge is beyond your grasp. Everything is opinion, everything is conjecture and nothing is sure, solid, certain or known.

                              Peas taste terrible. - Opinion!
                              People from Africa are just as human as people from Europe. - Opinion!
                              Ford makes good cars. - Opinion!
                              The sky is blue. - Opinion!
                              The Earth is round. - Opinion!
                              God exists. - Opinion!
                              Jesus is the Messiah. - Opinion!

                              That's the world in which you live!


                              Flattery?

                              You're stupid and a fool.

                              I'd rather you have not read it. It was wasted on you.


                              WHAT?

                              I am now thoroughly convinced that these flat Earthers are all universally stupid. I can't even understand how such an "argument" can be allowed to proceed out of a breathing human being's mouth, never mind formulated in their mind and accepted as anything that is remotely valid!


                              Look, the size of the Sun is all together irrelevant. The argument is about angles above the horizon, not the object's size (actual or apparent). The FACT (i.e. not opinion) that the Sun sets at all, especially when coupled with the fact that it is ALWAYS solar noon at some longitude is proof that the Earth cannot be flat - period.


                              This was a lie.

                              It's easy enough to say that there are holes in the math and it wouldn't have taken another five minutes to at least state simply what the nature of such holes were. Of course, no one has the time to explain the nature of holes that do not exist.

                              This was nothing at all but an admission of defeat and a declaration of your unwillingness to allow plain reason to persuade your mind.

                              I take it back, it wasn't wasted on you, not entirely. Now, anyone who reads this exchange can know how intellectually dishonest and vapid you are (and flat earthers generally, for that matter).

                              You're an embarrassment to yourself and to the entire Christian faith. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

                              Clete


                              P.S. If someone is wondering why I come down so hard on these people it's because it seems the majority of these morons call themselves Christians. They are a detriment to the entire faith! They will cause people to reject their only hope of escaping Hell and they'll do it in the name of Christ! It's utterly complete stupidity and it has nothing at all to do with the Bible, the Christian faith or anything else that is real or even rational. It is not okay for them to just be allowed to go on their merry way thinking that they can rightly hold to such nonsense and be anywhere within normal Christian doctrine, belief or practice.
                              Clete. I see you have used a new word or two to define my character. I have you down for 5 of them with you using 2 of them more than once which do not count as a new word. I think I have a little better dictionary that I would be willing to loan to you...It would help in your word count and help raise you character down a little more.


                              I have no problem with the Pythagorean Theorem, but what I said is your math had holes in it. As you well know, numbers can be made to say anything a person wants them to say. Like putting data into a computer; if you put crap in you get crap out and the same applies to any formula you might want to use!

                              The type, size, magnification, etc. of the light source does matter!

                              I do believe there are enough models out there for one to come to the conclusion that everything our scientist and NASA tells us about how the sun interacts with a globe could also be duplicated on a flat world.

                              If you want to do math, try the horizon and the curvature of the earth. Please do apply that 8" drop of the earth surface every mile squared and then tell us how an airplane can fly level yet not fly off into space. Don't worry the math of this angle is a simple Hypotenuse forumla of [square root of A(squared)+ B (squared)]....One might say this is an extension of the Pythagorean theorem: C (squared) = A (squared) + B(squared)

                              There is that word again "Angle"..Hey, we could calculated the downward angle the plane has to fly to prevent it from flying off into space?

                              Yes, the Bible has a great deal to say about the earth we live in. It is sad that you and others have added, changed or deleted text in order to fit you world view and/or lifestyle. God said what He meant to say and meant what HE said. But this I am sure is on another thread.

                              Oh, before I go Clete,,, my lifestyle includes being married to my high school sweetheart for 50 years this year...Thought I would mention that about me since you mentioned the "GAY" word.... What about you. Is the Gay word in your repertoire? Just asking?

                              Have a good evening

                              Blade
                              Last edited by Bladerunner; March 15th, 2019, 06:50 PM. Reason: adding

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                              • Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post
                                Clete. I see you have used a new word or two to define my character. I have you down for 5 of them with you using 2 of them more than once which do not count as a new word. I think I have a little better dictionary that I would be willing to loan to you...It would help in your word count and help raise you character down a little more.


                                I have no problem with the Pythagorean Theorem, but what I said is your math had holes in it. As you well know, numbers can be made to say anything a person wants them to say. Like putting data into a computer; if you put crap in you get crap out and the same applies to any formula you might want to use!

                                The type, size, magnification, etc. of the light source does matter!

                                I do believe there are enough models out there for one to come to the conclusion that everything our scientist and NASA tells us about how the sun interacts with a globe could also be duplicated on a flat world.

                                If you want to do math, try the horizon and the curvature of the earth. Please do apply that 8" drop of the earth surface every mile squared and then tell us how an airplane can fly level yet not fly off into space. Don't worry the math of this angle is a simple Hypotenuse forumla of [square root of A(squared)+ B (squared)]....One might say this is an extension of the Pythagorean theorem: C (squared) = A (squared) + B(squared)

                                There is that word again "Angle"..Hey, we could calculated the downward angle the plane has to fly to prevent it from flying off into space?

                                Yes, the Bible has a great deal to say about the earth we live in. It is sad that you and others have added, changed or deleted text in order to fit you world view and/or lifestyle. God said what He meant to say and meant what HE said. But this I am sure is on another thread.

                                Oh, before I go Clete,,, my lifestyle includes being married to my high school sweetheart for 50 years this year...Thought I would mention that about me since you mentioned the "GAY" word.... What about you. Is the Gay word in your repertoire? Just asking?

                                Have a good evening

                                Blade
                                Blade, could you please not color your entire post blue? It forces the site to use that color for your post, which makes it hard to read for those of us who use a dark theme on Tapatalk and other platforms.

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