Day Star-Morning Star

[Squeaky]

Day Star-Morning Star
[Isa 14:12 / ESV 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
[Isa 14:12 KJV] 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[Isa 14:12 NKJV] 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
[2Pe 1:19 KJV] 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
[Rev 2:28 KJV] 28 And I will give him the morning star.
[Rev 22:16 KJV] 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
[2Pe 1:19 NKJV] 19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
[Rev 2:28 NKJV] 28 "and I will give him the morning star.
[Rev 22:16 NKJV] 16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

Be very careful about which version of the bible you read. It is easy to be confused. The ASV version has Satan as the morning star.
The KJV has Jesus as the Day Star
The NKJ has Jesus as the Morning Star. And the KJV has Jesus as the morning star.

 

[Jacob]

Day Star-Morning Star
[Isa 14:12 / ESV 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
[Isa 14:12 KJV] 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[Isa 14:12 NKJV] 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
[2Pe 1:19 KJV] 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
[Rev 2:28 KJV] 28 And I will give him the morning star.
[Rev 22:16 KJV] 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
[2Pe 1:19 NKJV] 19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
[Rev 2:28 NKJV] 28 "and I will give him the morning star.
[Rev 22:16 NKJV] 16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

Be very careful about which version of the bible you read. It is easy to be confused. The ASV version has Satan as the morning star.
The KJV has Jesus as the Day Star
The NKJ has Jesus as the Morning Star. And the KJV has Jesus as the morning star.

thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,

 

[Squeaky]

That is it, there is not need for something that has no meaning.

 

[Jacob]

That is it, there is not need for something that has no meaning.

What are you saying has no meaning?

 

[Squeaky]

What are you saying has no meaning?

I said
What you said.

 

[Jacob]

I said
What you said.

From Isaiah 14:4
KJV

 

[Squeaky]

From Isaiah 14:4
KJV

I said
Useless to Christians. Your teachings are useless to Christians.

[Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Jacob]

I said
Useless to Christians. Your teachings are useless to Christians.

[Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

[Isa 14:12 KJV] 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

 

[meshak]

excellent Jacob
[MENTION=5582]Jacob[/MENTION]

 

[meshak]

Some OT teachings are exactly like what Jesus teaches.

You should take heed, squeaky.

 

[Jacob]

I know that the word Lucifer is not a Hebrew or English word.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Squeaky]

I know that the word Lucifer is not a Hebrew or English word.

Shalom.

Jacob

I said
lolol Do you even know why I posted that bit of information?

 

[Jacob]

I said
lolol Do you even know why I posted that bit of information?

I can admit that I do not.

 

[Squeaky]

I can admit that I do not.

I said
I was showing that the ESV bible shows satan as the Day Star.

[Isa 14:12 / ESV 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

And the KJV and the NKJV shows that Jesus is the Day Star, or Morning Star.

[2Pe 1:19 KJV] 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

 

[Jacob]

I said
I was showing that the ESV bible shows satan as the Day Star.

[Isa 14:12 / ESV 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

And the KJV and the NKJV shows that Jesus is the Day Star, or Morning Star.

[2Pe 1:19 KJV] 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

I do not see anything here about satan.

 

[Squeaky]

I do not see anything here about satan.

I said

Compare

[Isa 14:12-14 ESV
12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
13 You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'

[Isa 14:12-14 KJV]
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 

[Jacob]

I said

Compare

[Isa 14:12-14 ESV
12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
13 You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'

[Isa 14:12-14 KJV]
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isaiah 14:3-23 ESV

3 When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

“How the oppressor has ceased,

the insolent fury ceased!

5 The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked,

the scepter of rulers,

6 that struck the peoples in wrath

with unceasing blows,

that ruled the nations in anger

with unrelenting persecution.

7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet;

they break forth into singing.

8 The cypresses rejoice at you,

the cedars of Lebanon, saying,

‘Since you were laid low,

no woodcutter comes up against us.’

9 Sheol beneath is stirred up

to meet you when you come;

it rouses the shades to greet you,

all who were leaders of the earth;

it raises from their thrones

all who were kings of the nations.

10 All of them will answer

and say to you:

‘You too have become as weak as we!

You have become like us!’

11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,

the sound of your harps;

maggots are laid as a bed beneath you,

and worms are your covers.

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,

O Day Star, son of Dawn!

How you are cut down to the ground,

you who laid the nations low!

13 You said in your heart,

‘I will ascend to heaven;

above the stars of God

I will set my throne on high;

I will sit on the mount of assembly

in the far reaches of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;

I will make myself like the Most High.’

15 But you are brought down to Sheol,

to the far reaches of the pit.

16 Those who see you will stare at you

and ponder over you:

‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,

who shook kingdoms,

17 who made the world like a desert

and overthrew its cities,

who did not let his prisoners go home?’

18 All the kings of the nations lie in glory,

each in his own tomb;

19 but you are cast out, away from your grave,

like a loathed branch,

clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword,

who go down to the stones of the pit,

like a dead body trampled underfoot.

20 You will not be joined with them in burial,

because you have destroyed your land,

you have slain your people.

“May the offspring of evildoers

nevermore be named!

21 Prepare slaughter for his sons

because of the guilt of their fathers,

lest they rise and possess the earth,

and fill the face of the world with cities.”

22 “I will rise up against them,” declares the Lord of hosts, “and will cut off from Babylon name and remnant, descendants and posterity,” declares the Lord. 23 “And I will make it a possession of the hedgehog, and pools of water, and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction,” declares the Lord of hosts.

 

[Squeaky]

Just another reason why Jesus tells us not to trust the old testament.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

 

[Jacob]

Just another reason why Jesus tells us not to trust the old testament.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

Do you accept Jesus' words? Do you accept Jesus' instruction?

 

[Squeaky]

Do you accept Jesus' words? Do you accept Jesus' instruction?

I said
These are Jesus' words.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.