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Yes you are, you are just wasting time and showing that you dont understand Faith in the bible.
No. I’ve clearly and exhaustively demonstrated that
I am the one who indeed DOES understand faith in the Bible (and in general overall). This is a silly statement of denial based upon cognitive dissonance. How can you even seriously say this?
Thats a lie, I now Faith is a noun and believing is a verb, I been knowing that for over 30yrs
You said belief was a verb in the 2Thessalonians passage. So you “may” know (doubtful) that faith is a noun and believing is a verb (which doesn’t match the thread title OR your adamant erroneous posts), but you for sure did NOT know that belief is the same noun as faith. You said belief in your poorly proof-texted 2Thess passage was the verb. Go back and look (and look at your own thread title while you’re scrolling, please).
You’re just trying to back-peddle, and you’re still trying to throw ME under the bus for correcting you. I understand that human tendency, but why not just admit you were wrong instead of all this continued bluster as though you knew what you didn’t know?
Your own thread title says faith/believing in asking if it (which is a they/them, because faith is NOT believing, and you did NOT know that) is a work. This is just CYA deflection and diversion to save face, which cannot happen at this point.
I know that, its a noun being used as a verb belief.
No. You don’t get to change words and their grammatical form to fit your whims. It’s not a verbal noun. It’s not a participle. It’s not ANYTHING except an anarthrous noun. Belief is faith. Same noun from Germanic and Latin respective paths into English from Greek as pistis.
You couldn’t be more wrong. You’re arguing with grammar and the inspired text itself. This makes you a higher critic of scripture and it disannuls any position you could take that scripture is innerant and infallible. I doubt you want to take this there, but I could be wrong.
There is not one linguistic hint of belief EVER being a verb, and particularly it being allegedly “a noun being used as a verb”. There’s literally no such thing unless it’s a verbal noun, and those are clearly noted in any good grammatical tool (even for the theologically and linguistically illiterate).
You’re blustering in ignorance and arrogance. The text and grammar will not change not matter how hard to fight against scripture.
And you’re coming against God’s sovereignty and biblical Monergism!!!! A Hyper-Calvinist coming against those is just insanity based upon sheer oblivious pride to contradict one’s own alleged doctrine.
The noun primarily means persuasion
Right. Which is a noun definition as state of being. It’s not “to persuade” or any other verb sense. You really are doubling down on complete ignorance to the point of stubborn stupidity. Why do that?
it comes from the VERB peithó, which results in trust. Again you are wasting my time. Once one trusts or believes as a result of Faith, its [belief,trust] is an act of the mind, a work.
No. The believING is done by the faith. Belief is the noun that does the believING. Man cannot believe without the thing of faith that does the believING. The only reason man can believe is because God gives the thing whereby man can believe.
This is the core of biblical Monergism. You’re an alleged Hyper-Monergist coming against... MONERGISM.
You’re throwing God’s sovereignty under the bus, along with God’s foreknowledge and biblical election, etc.
It’s YOU who is wasting EVERYONE’s time with this thread and with your silly ignorant adamant assertions that are utterly and completely wrong accoding to grammar and the inspired text.
Again, apples for oranges. Stick with the theme of the thread !
I’m actually sticking with the theme of the thread, even though the title is self-contradicting. It’s you who isn’t sticking with the theme of the thread, because the alleged theme is in error. Faith/believing, as appears in the thread title, are NOT the same thing. Faith is a noun. BelievING is a verb. BELIEF IS THE SAME NOUN AS FAITH.
I’m not surprised you didn’t back down, but I’d hoped that you might have a love for the truth when corrected by the Word. But you’re going to double down and say you knew all along exactly what this thread and its title and your posts CLEARLY demonstrate that you don’t know at all.
Belief is not used as a verb. And there’s no such thing as a noun used as a verb. That’s a made-up concept of your own mind because you read your false doctrine INTO the text eisegetically rather than reading and understanding the text for what it is and means.
Belief in 2Thess won’t change into a verb from a noun, nor will it ever be considered “a noun acting as a verb” since there is NO SUCH THING. Any and all verbal nouns will be designated by grammatical notations and are unmistakable. This isn’t one of them, and neither is any other rendering of belief in the inspired text.
You’re making all of this up from your own conceptual understandings, which are wrong. And you’re a Calvinist coming against a Calvinist proof verse for Monergism. So now you’re REALLY jacking it all up.
You started with no credibility. Now you have less and less credibility with each attempt to cover your ignorance while you double down on your bad bet. This ain’t Vegas, baby. You’ve come against the inspired text and you lose.
Your fellow Calvinists should be taking you to the woodshed over this. You’re coming against Monergism.
