Jesus' Gospel vs Paul's Gospel

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[MENTION=17355]popsthebuilder[/MENTION]

You claim that Paul's message/gospel is the same as Jesus', James', Peter's, et al's gospel, and that Paul's Gospel is only different when taken out of context.

Would you like to make any other points to begin this thread?
 

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[MENTION=17355]popsthebuilder[/MENTION]

You claim that Paul's message/gospel is the same as Jesus', James', Peter's, et al's gospel, and that Paul's Gospel is only different when taken out of context.

Would you like to make any other points to begin this thread?
Sure.

The gospel and will of GOD has been without change since before the formation of the worlds

Now, if you would; please show the differences you perceive, and I will, from those, show that they are indeed the same.

Thanks for starting this thread; I look forward to a leveled peaceable conversation.
 

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There is only one Gospel. It is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Jesus did not preach it. He left that up to the apostles.
 

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Sure.

The gospel and will of GOD has been without change since before the formation of the worlds

Now, if you would; please show the differences you perceive, and I will, from those, show that they are indeed the same.

Thanks for starting this thread; I look forward to a leveled peaceable conversation.

Pops, would you agree that many of the conflicts that divide the Christian Church today, including baptism, eternal security, "faith" vs "works + faith", all have both sides of their arguments rooted in differing scriptures?

(For example, James 2:24 vs Romans 4:5, Romans 8:37-39 vs 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.)

In other words, are you aware that there are apparent conflicts between different scripture verses within the Bible?
 

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Pops, would you agree that many of the conflicts that divide the Christian Church today, including baptism, eternal security, "faith" vs "works + faith", all have both sides of their arguments rooted in differing scriptures?

(For example, James 2:24 vs Romans 4:5, Romans 8:37-39 vs 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.)

In other words, are you aware that there are apparent conflicts between different scripture verses within the Bible?
No... I do not believe that any sacred texts containing the word of GOD is contradictory. If it is then, to me, that is a sign that one part or the other is indeed opposed to the word of GOD, and as such, of a separate, different nature. Either that, or one is misunderstanding one or the other or both. GOD doesn't make mistakes; never has.

We are going to focus on the scriptures ascribed to Jesus, and St. Paul, right?
 

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(If all power is given Christ which is the head of the church (congregation of faithful to GOD through Christ) then it stands to reason that those who are His are made holy by His work and will, and to His glory, though it be done through the vessel of the believer in which Christ dwells in and directs. Is all power synonymous with not enough power to even abide by one's own conscience?

Sorry; was just reading. It isn't the best to start my side of the argument, but it works while I await your own.)

Ephesians 1: 4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6. To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8. Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9. Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12. That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14. Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15. Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16. Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17. That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19. And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20. Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21. Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22. And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
(pretty sure those are ascribed to St. Paul.)
 

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No... I do not believe that any sacred texts containing the word of GOD is contradictory.

I agree, there are no contradictions. My question, however, is not "are there contradictions," my question is "do some verses seem to contradict on the surface?"

If it is then, to me, that is a sign that one part or the other is indeed opposed to the word of GOD, and as such, of a separate, different nature.

Again, my question is not "do they contradict" but "does it seem like they contradict, at least on the surface.

We are going to focus on the scriptures ascribed to Jesus, and St. Paul, right?

We will focus on the Bible as a whole, including the words spoken by Jesus and Paul.
 

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I agree, there are no contradictions. My question, however, is not "are there contradictions," my question is "do some verses seem to contradict on the surface?"



Again, my question is not "do they contradict" but "does it seem like they contradict, at least on the surface.



We will focus on the Bible as a whole, including the words spoken by Jesus and Paul.
Yes then; I agree that to some, and, or, at first glance; some texts can seem to be contradictory in mans partial understanding and knowledge.
 

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(we see here repeatedly that though the work of GOD, saith is with effect and that effect is the fruit of the Spirit, not of man. The same can easily and readily be found throughout all of scripture.)

Ephesians 2: 1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7. That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13. But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

(I will wait for your response)
 

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Yes then; I agree that to some, and, or, at first glance; some texts can seem to be contradictory in mans partial understanding and knowledge.
What about verses that blatantly contradict each other?

Such as these two?

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-9&version=NKJV

Paul says "you have been saved through faith . . . not by works."

You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. - James 2:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:24&version=NKJV

James says "A man is justified (ie saved) by works."

How do you reconcile those two verses?
 

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What about verses that blatantly contradict each other?

Such as these two?

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-9&version=NKJV

Paul says "you have been saved through faith . . . not by works."

You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. - James 2:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:24&version=NKJV

James says "A man is justified (ie saved) by works."

How do you reconcile those two verses?
Simply and easily; works pleasing to GOD are not the works of man done for the sight of man, but are the product of effectual Faith. Change is preached in our gospel by the high priest directly; from one state, to another. I can attest to this and too verify it as it has happened in my sight, my the Grace of GOD. Would you have us believe for one second that St. Paul spoke another gospel; one of reverent indifference and utter lack of change?

What of all the verses that say we will be made righteous and holy and good and pleasing, and sons of GOD? Don't you know that good has no fellowship with evil?
 

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The "Gospel of the Kingdom" had its beginning in the ministry of John the Baptist.
It called for "National Repentance" to prepare the way for the coming of Messiah
to set-up the Kingdom on earth (ie: Millennial Kingdom). Jesus ministry further
amplified the Law so that all Israel was in need of repentance. This
"Gospel of the Kingdom" will once again be preached in Israel, after the departure
of the "Church" (ie: Body of Christ), and also during the Tribulation, preparing
the way for the return of Messiah to the earth. Note in Acts 3 that Peter's
sermon continues with the theme of the Millennial Kingdom, using the phrases
"Restitution of All Things" and "Times of Refreshing" (Acts 3:19-21).

The "Gospel of Grace" was revealed to the Apostle Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles.
 

popsthebuilder

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The "Gospel of the Kingdom" had its beginning in the ministry of John the Baptist.
It called for "National Repentance" to prepare the way for the coming of Messiah
to set-up the Kingdom on earth (ie: Millennial Kingdom). Jesus ministry further
amplified the Law so that all Israel was in need of repentance. This
"Gospel of the Kingdom" will once again be preached in Israel, after the departure
of the "Church" (ie: Body of Christ), and also during the Tribulation, preparing
the way for the return of Messiah to the earth. Note in Acts 3 that Peter's
sermon continues with the theme of the Millennial Kingdom, using the phrases
"Restitution of All Things" and "Times of Refreshing" (Acts 3:19-21).

The "Gospel of Grace" was revealed to the Apostle Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles.
Throughout all time change (repentance) has been spoken of. Change from a blind sinner to a knowing saint. Is all power and being made holy the same as no effect and staying the same? Is there still a division between Israel and the gentile, or are they made as one now?
 

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Simply and easily; works pleasing to GOD are not the works of man done for the sight of man, but are the product of effectual Faith.

You could interpret what James is saying to mean that, even though that's not what he's saying.

James is saying that works are required for salvation, along with faith. Paul is saying that it is only faith that saves, and that if you do works, those works are as debt (Rom. 4:4).

Let me ask you, is James preaching grace in his book? Or is he preaching law?

Change is preached in our gospel by the high priest directly; from one state, to another. I can attest to this and too verify it as it has happened in my sight, my the Grace of GOD.

Could you explain what you mean by "change"?

Would you have us believe for one second that St. Paul spoke another gospel; one of reverent indifference and utter lack of change?

Not another one, just a different one.

What of all the verses that say we will be made righteous and holy and good and pleasing, and sons of GOD?

Could you reference those please? (Just book, chapter, and verse, no need to quote the verses, I can look them up.)

Don't you know that good has no fellowship with evil?

Of course.
 

Jerry Shugart

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There is only one Gospel.

What gospel were the Apostles preaching at Luke 9:6 at a time when they did not even know the Lord Jesus was going to die (Lk.18:33-34)?

It was the gospel of the kingdom (Lk.9:2) and the heart and soul of that gospel is the fact that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. And those who believed were born of God the moment when they believed (1 Jn.5:1-5; Jn.20:30-31).

The Jews who did not believe that He is indeed the Christ, the Son of God, would die in their sins, as witnessed by the words of Jesus Christ:

"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (Jn.8:23-24).​
 

Jerry Shugart

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James is saying that works are required for salvation, along with faith.

I guess James just forgot to mention "works" when he told us how a person is born of God:

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures"
(Jas.1:18).​

What James said in the next chapter must be reconciled with what he said in the first chapter. And what he wrote in the first chapter matches exactly what Peter said as to how a person is born again:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).​
 

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You could interpret what James is saying to mean that, even though that's not what he's saying.

James is saying that works are required for salvation, along with faith. Paul is saying that it is only faith that saves, and that if you do works, those works are as debt (Rom. 4:4).

(works for the sight of man are debt to GOD)

Let me ask you, is James preaching grace in his book? Or is he preaching law?
(grace of course. Grace and faith are free gifts of the most precious worth; to cast them aside as if not given or worthless, to no effect is to not actually receive or believe.)



Could you explain what you mean by "change"?
(change from a heathen to a believer) there is a great difference.)


Not another one, just a different one.

(we know a different gospel is a sign of misdirection.)



Could you reference those please? (Just book, chapter, and verse, no need to quote the verses, I can look them up.)

(you are more versed than I; I will briefly give a few, but I will show them, and not only reference them, for the sake of any who find it too troublesome to seek out the truth themselves.)

Hebrews 6: 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8. But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11. And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12. That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

1 Timothy 1: 3. As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4. Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6. From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11. According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 12. And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13. Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 18. This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; 19. Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Ephesians 3: 1. For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2. If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward: 3. How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4. Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5. Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6. That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7. Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12. In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13. Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. 14. For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15. Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16. That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17. That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18. May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19. And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21. Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Romans 5: 16. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21. That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6: 1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2. God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7. For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9. Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17. But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 1: 24. But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 26. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27. But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 29. That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2 Corinthians 5: 1. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3. If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 8. We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 12. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart. 13. For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. 14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

(surely you can see from the verses above that we as believers are changed.)






(sorry for mixing your words with mine)
 

jamie

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For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-9&version=NKJV

Paul says "you have been saved through faith . . . not by works."

Works prior to salvation do not save anyone.

Each person is saved by grace and then rewarded for their works.

"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works" (Ephesians 2:10)

Christ works through us for good works and we are rewarded for our compliance.

We are not saved by our works, rather we are created in Christ for his works.
 

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The "Gospel of the Kingdom" had its beginning in the ministry of John the Baptist.
It called for "National Repentance" to prepare the way for the coming of Messiah
to set-up the Kingdom on earth (ie: Millennial Kingdom). Jesus ministry further
amplified the Law so that all Israel was in need of repentance. This
"Gospel of the Kingdom" will once again be preached in Israel, after the departure
of the "Church" (ie: Body of Christ), and also during the Tribulation, preparing
the way for the return of Messiah to the earth. Note in Acts 3 that Peter's
sermon continues with the theme of the Millennial Kingdom, using the phrases
"Restitution of All Things" and "Times of Refreshing" (Acts 3:19-21).

The "Gospel of Grace" was revealed to the Apostle Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles.

Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.

Paul's message to the children of Israel was Christ's explanation of the OT scriptures.

Paul stayed on scripture, nothing added.
 
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