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  • Originally posted by Nang View Post
    So your tapping into the Gospel powers, by the instrument of your human beliefs, gained you righteousness?

    You think it is your exertion of power of faith, that earned the grace of God?

    You have got it all wrong, kiddo . . .
    You can't obey anyone for anything?

    Do you need a special enabling to obey your boss, or the law?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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    • Originally posted by Nang View Post
      So your tapping into the Gospel powers, by the instrument of your human beliefs, gained you righteousness?

      You think it is your exertion of power of faith, that earned the grace of God?

      You have got it all wrong, kiddo . . .
      No, I actually believe that the Gospel has the power to convince (persuade) man, just as God's words persuaded Abraham to believe, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. It's called faith which comes from hearing the Gospel preached.
      Romans 4:21-25 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
      22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

      I don't have to exert any power to see and believe it's raining outside. The rain speaks for itself. It's much harder to resist.....oh no, I'm not wet and shivering.

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      • Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
        No, I actually believe that the Gospel has the power to convince (persuade) man, just as God's words persuaded Abraham to believe, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. It's called faith which comes from hearing the Gospel preached.
        Romans 4:21-25 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
        22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

        I don't have to exert any power to see and believe it's raining outside. The rain speaks for itself. It's much harder to resist.....oh no, I'm not wet and shivering.
        Great post glory, completely destroying Nang

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        • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
          You can't obey anyone for anything?

          Do you need a special enabling to obey your boss, or the law?
          Obedience and faith are distinct.

          Faith produces obedience.

          Obedience does not produce faith.

          Why?

          Saving faith comes only by the grace of God. It is the spiritual gift from Him that manifests in human obeisance and good works.

          Such human goodness never achieves the spiritual. It is ONLY through the spiritual resurrection powers of God that such evidence of regeneration and salvation prove to be legitimate and saving to the soul.
          "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

          " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
          Gordon H. Clark

          "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
          Charles Spurgeon

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          • Originally posted by Nang View Post
            Obedience and faith are distinct.

            Faith produces obedience.

            Obedience does not produce faith.

            Why?

            Saving faith comes only by the grace of God. It is the spiritual gift from Him that manifests in human obeisance and good works.

            Such human goodness never achieves the spiritual. It is ONLY through the spiritual resurrection powers of God that such evidence of regeneration and salvation prove to be legitimate and saving to the soul.
            Jesus says if someone does not believe, they can obey and then they will believe. See John 7:17. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it.
            Oh how I love the Word of God!

            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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            • Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
              No, I actually believe that the Gospel has the power to convince (persuade) man, just as God's words persuaded Abraham to believe, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. It's called faith which comes from hearing the Gospel preached.
              Romans 4:21-25 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
              22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

              I don't have to exert any power to see and believe it's raining outside. The rain speaks for itself. It's much harder to resist.....oh no, I'm not wet and shivering.
              You have omitted the necessary work of the Holy Spirit in your superstitious evaluation of Gospel power.

              Why do some hear the Gospel and trust unto salvation, but others hear the same message, but remain in their unbelief and sins? Why does the Gospel preached fail to save all?
              "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

              " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
              Gordon H. Clark

              "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
              Charles Spurgeon

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              • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                Jesus says if someone does not believe, they can obey and then they will believe. See John 7:17. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it.
                Nothing of the sort is taught in John 7:17.
                "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                Gordon H. Clark

                "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                Charles Spurgeon

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                • Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                  Great post glory, completely destroying Nang
                  Why do you seek to destroy Nang?
                  "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                  " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                  Gordon H. Clark

                  "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                  Charles Spurgeon

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                  • Originally posted by Nang View Post
                    Nothing of the sort is taught in John 7:17.
                    Mere denial means nothing. You explain then what that scripture means.
                    Oh how I love the Word of God!

                    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                    • Originally posted by Nang View Post
                      Why do you seek to destroy Nang?
                      Play on words, sports talk. Your theology doesn't stand up to what God actually tells us. Read her post again.

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                      • Originally posted by Nang View Post
                        You have omitted the necessary work of the Holy Spirit in your superstitious evaluation of Gospel power.

                        Why do some hear the Gospel and trust unto salvation, but others hear the same message, but remain in their unbelief and sins? Why does the Gospel preached fail to save all?
                        Because not all people believe, they choose not to.

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                        • Jesus is claiming and validating His teaching as being from the Father and His doctrine as therefore being authoritative and so recognized by those who seek the glory of God, alone. Soli Deo Gloria!

                          John 7:16-18
                          Last edited by Nang; September 3rd, 2017, 10:52 PM.
                          "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                          " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                          Gordon H. Clark

                          "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                          Charles Spurgeon

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                          • Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                            Play on words, sports talk. Your theology doesn't stand up to what God actually tells us. Read her post again.
                            Truster is correct regarding the condition of your heart and soul . . .
                            "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                            " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                            Gordon H. Clark

                            "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                            Charles Spurgeon

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                            • Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                              Because not all people believe, they choose not to.
                              Then you believe the power of the human will exceeds the power of God to save. Got it . . .
                              "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                              " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                              Gordon H. Clark

                              "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                              Charles Spurgeon

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                              • Originally posted by Nang View Post
                                Truster is correct regarding the condition of your heart and soul . . .
                                See what did there? You evil shrew

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