The law is the very nature and character of God. The teachings of Jesus reveals the nature and character of God. You seem to think that you are as holy as God.
John Calvin's Nazi God.
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The law is the very nature and character of God. The teachings of Jesus reveals the nature and character of God. You seem to think that you are as holy as God.
God's Truth
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You then admit you do not care if you tell the truth or not.
Eagles Wings
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You show genuine concern for another's salvation.
How can anyone be a "Fisher of Men" when that don't even know or understand the Gospel?
fishrovmen
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John 21:1-6
God's Truth
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They hinder people from being saved, just as you do.
freelight
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Ample evidence has so far been provided to show Calvinism is morally indefensible, inept and denigrating in its estimation of God's universal and sovereign love for ALL souls. It is also a misconception or distortion to assume that anyone who questions the logic or justice of 'TULIP' is trying to diminish God's GLORY or rule. A false presumption based on faulty presuppositions and unbalanced emphasis on a concept of 'sovereignty' over-riding a proper understanding of love and providence.
freelight
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I think the universal good news of Jesus based upon the foundation of the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man trumps the various blood-atonement redemption myths and concepts of winning God's love back to humanity, when the Father's love never left. Also, heaven or hell are what you choose for youself by your thoughts, words and actions in this life, or in any life, here or after. - as long as beings are 'sentient' and capable of action, the law of karma continues.
freelight
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TULIP imploding upon itself...............
TULIP imploding upon itself...............
We may note to the bold above, that while Calvinism assures itself by a concept of the U, L, I and P of its formula...it implodes upon itself rendering 'insecurity' really, since one can never really KNOW if one is saved or lost, except for some consistency in the life or actions of the believer himself, which may swing from one end of the pendulum to the other, since a soul may backslide, choose another life-path or even religious tradition, so that one can go outside of the ruling context of TULIP at any moment
- so all you have is a religious formula, a propositional assumption, which has 'conditional' elements in it, even while it assumes assurance of the saved. IT STILL DEPENDS ON MANS ACTIONS, his conditional state as to whether God's grace is working in that persons life,....its still about 'synergestic' cooperation, argue that til blue in the face if you like. All 'covenants' are the cooperative effort and trust of 2 persons or parties, NOT the total doing of just one of the parties, to which there would not even be a 'covenant' existing, neither operative.
TULIP imploding upon itself...............
We may note to the bold above, that while Calvinism assures itself by a concept of the U, L, I and P of its formula...it implodes upon itself rendering 'insecurity' really, since one can never really KNOW if one is saved or lost, except for some consistency in the life or actions of the believer himself, which may swing from one end of the pendulum to the other, since a soul may backslide, choose another life-path or even religious tradition, so that one can go outside of the ruling context of TULIP at any moment
- so all you have is a religious formula, a propositional assumption, which has 'conditional' elements in it, even while it assumes assurance of the saved. IT STILL DEPENDS ON MANS ACTIONS, his conditional state as to whether God's grace is working in that persons life,....its still about 'synergestic' cooperation, argue that til blue in the face if you like. All 'covenants' are the cooperative effort and trust of 2 persons or parties, NOT the total doing of just one of the parties, to which there would not even be a 'covenant' existing, neither operative.
Some Celestial beings want to rule God but you won't know which.
God knows what day you're going to die. You are free to change your path but it doesn't mater what fork you pick, you're still going to die that day.
freelight
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All potentials, possibilities and probabilities are of course known to 'God'. However, it is speculative if one's day of physical death is predestined or absolutely known to God, before it actually takes place. This is debatable, and even if there is a life-chart pre-determined in some way, free will choices (of oneself or imposed by another) COULD alter or modify things.
Nothing trumps the sacrifice that Jesus made on behalf of the human race, 2 Corinthians 5:21.
If you find yourself in hell it will be because you rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ.
Eagles Wings
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Please consider visiting the link in my signature for historical, biblical information regarding the Holy Trinity. Thank you.
God gets exactly what he wants, when he wants it. All things springs from God including love. What love is it to deny the Bible to be 100% breathed by God?
God does NOTHING outside of his holy, just, merciful, righteous nature and character. All that God is and all that God does is right and according to his holy law.
beloved57
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You teach that God is unjust in punishing them Christ died for! That is double jeopardy.
And according to you damns souls to hell before they are born.
Not humanly possible to have saving faith in that kind of a God.
What you have faith in is a doctrine that was conceived in the mind of a heretic.
What's the difference between God creating a soul predestined to Hell and God creating a soul He foresees will go to Hell?
God is in control of one aspect, and not of the other.
You just want to make a conundrum of God, and take from His sovereignty, to suffice your inherently fallen, self-righteous 'free will'.
Calvin specifically damned priests who made 'free will' as part of their message, because it is not preaching God, it is preaching man.
We hear men preach itself six days of the week- keep it out of the church :wave2:
In the parable of the sower, Matthew 13:3. The sower did not pay much attention as to where the seed that he was sowing landed. He just simply sowed the seed. There is much randomness in nature as well. God is just, merciful and righteous in all that he does. There is no scripture that says God knows who will believe on his Son Jesus Christ and who won't. The scripture does say that he is not willing that any should perish, 2 Peter 3:9. He provides salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. And then he waits to see who will believe in his Son Jesus Christ and who won't. This lets God off of the hook so that he remains just.
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