ok doser
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what about servants working for prostitutes, assassins, and abortion doctors?
pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
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what about servants working for prostitutes, assassins, and abortion doctors?
do you have the need to ask such obvious questions?
Read the OP verses. don't play a stupid games.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
wasn't asking you, troll
Rosenritter
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Even if the assassins worked for the Roman government?
Rosenritter
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No, actually that's a good question, and one I intended to bring up eventually.
Rosenritter
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Can we revisit that in a couple posts? I was going to bring up that same question from a different angle, we'll get back to it I promise.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
it's related to last night's discussion of chaplains in the military, as i see it
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
take your time, i have to unplug before I lose the light - out into the cold cold world :wave2:
No doubt.
Rosenritter
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I can see the relation. I was going to extend that to whether there was a difference between those that detonate the bombs, those that dispatch the bombers, those that protect the bombers, those that repair the planes and build the bombs, those that feed the troops that detonate the bombs, all the way down the line.
Rosenritter
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So Paul was NOT telling assassins that work for the Roman government that they should continue in their calling? Just want to make sure we're on the same page here.
Yep.
ok doser
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Rosenritter
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Is there a moral difference between killing someone with a spear, a crossbow, a pistol, an assault rifle, or a sniper rifle? Assuming that the wielders of the weapons use them under direction from the government, be it Roman, British, or otherwise?
Rosenritter
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I'm not sure why you would shy away from that, considering (from what I assumed) that you see those that kill face to face as being already justified.
Rosenritter
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If the abortion doctor is not supposed to remain an abortion doctor, what of someone that has a company that makes the supplies used exclusively by abortion doctors?
glorydaz
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:troll:
musterion
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Parakeets eventually shut up.
pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.
Here is my verses to back up my claim:
Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.
and some more:
Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
John 18:36
And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)
Romans 12:17-21
17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
II Corinthians 10:3,4
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.
Here is my verses to back up my claim:
Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.
and some more:
Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
John 18:36
And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)
Romans 12:17-21
17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
II Corinthians 10:3,4
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
Aimiel
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Jesus' followers know better than that. Here is a few verses to explain my position:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Obviously we are to not only be God's ministers when it comes to The Gospel but also in enforcing the rule of law and that of war (when necessary). To add to that: we are also to 'pay tribute' to those who do so. This means we are to encourage and thank those who are Police Officers or members of the military... that is: unless we are the type of person who resists the ordinance of God. :thumb:
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