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Those who were dead in their sins were the Gentiles.

The Jews had the works, the Ceremonial laws to clean themselves. The Gentiles did not. The Gentiles were dead in their sins, and in their uncircumcised flesh. Jesus did not make them get circumcised in the flesh first before he saved them, for we are made clean by faith in his blood. However, we still have to obey Jesus. We still have to do what he says. We still have to do right and abstain from evil.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Ephesians 2:1
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
 
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God's Truth said:
Consider more carefully about those who are dead.
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The wages of sin is death. Sin is common to all mankind. All mankind has been imputed with the guilt of Adam's original sin. So all men come into the world spiritually dead. See Romans 3:9-20

It is nothing but a legalistic distraction to attempt to make this a Jew vs Gentile thing. :nono:
 
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God's Truth said:
Dead

Those who were dead in their sins were the Gentiles.

The Jews had the works, the Ceremonial laws to clean themselves. The Gentiles did not. The Gentiles were dead in their sins, and in their uncircumcised flesh. Jesus did not make them get circumcised in the flesh first before he saved them, for we are made clean by faith in his blood. However, we still have to obey Jesus. We still have to do what he says. We still have to do right and abstain from evil.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Ephesians 2:1
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
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Everyone was dead in their sins.

Here is what Jesus said to those who had the law and lived ( supposedly ) by that law.

Mat 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness
 
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dodge said:
Everyone was dead in their sins.

Here is what Jesus said to those who had the law and lived ( supposedly ) by that law.

Mat 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness
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Not everyone was dead in their sins.

Not everyone disobeyed like the pharisees.
 
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The Catholics call their non biblical teachings "traditions".


Jesus says that tradition keeps man from God’s truth: Matthew 15:6-9 Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’”

Mark 7:8-9, 13 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
 
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Nang said:
The wages of sin is death. Sin is common to all mankind. All mankind has been imputed with the guilt of Adam's original sin. So all men come into the world spiritually dead. See Romans 3:9-20

It is nothing but a legalistic distraction to attempt to make this a Jew vs Gentile thing. :nono:
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The discussion was NOT about physical death.

I gave scriptures about the GENTILES who were dead in their sins.

You think you can say scripture is not welcome here. That is nonsense.

Go study harder to discuss this with me instead of taking the easy way out and merely insulting me.

That is not a defense for the truth.
 
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Jesus does NOT save unbelievers and stubborn rebels.
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It's an outside of time thing. You speak inside of mans time cause its the only reality you understand.

THE ‘NATURAL MAN’ OR THE 'SPIRITUALLY DEAD MAN' CANNOT COMPREHEND THE GOSPEL A.W. Pink To savingly believe in Christ is a supernatural act and is the DIRECT PRODUCT of a supernatural work of grace in the soul. Fallen and depraved man has no more power to come to Christ evangelically than he has merit of his own to entitle him to God’s favour. He is as completely dependent on the Spirit’s gracious operation within him as he is upon Christ’s worthiness without him. Fallen man is spiritually DEAD (Eph. 2:1), and a dead soul cannot "co-operate," any more than a physical corpse can with an undertaker. "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14). The "things Of the Spirit" signify contents of the Word of Truth, for they were penned under His immediate inspiration. The "natural man" is man in his fallen and unrenewed state while the sinner remains unregenerate, he "receiveth not" either the Divine Law or the Gospel. That requires a word of explication: the natural man can, and often does, receive the things of the Spirit in THE LETTER of them as so many propositions or statements, but he cannot apprehend them as does one who has been made the subject of a miracle of grace. They are "foolishness"—absurd, unattractive, distasteful to him. Yea, he "CANNOT KNOW THEM"— he is disqualified to perceive their verity and value; "because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned," and spiritual discernment he has none. The sinner has to be transformed from a natural into a SPIRITUAL man before he has any spiritual perception!
 
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TulipBee said:
It's an outside of time thing. You speak inside of mans time cause its the only reality you understand.

THE ‘NATURAL MAN’ OR THE 'SPIRITUALLY DEAD MAN' CANNOT COMPREHEND THE GOSPEL A.W. Pink To savingly believe in Christ is a supernatural act and is the DIRECT PRODUCT of a supernatural work of grace in the soul. Fallen and depraved man has no more power to come to Christ evangelically than he has merit of his own to entitle him to God’s favour. He is as completely dependent on the Spirit’s gracious operation within him as he is upon Christ’s worthiness without him. Fallen man is spiritually DEAD (Eph. 2:1), and a dead soul cannot "co-operate," any more than a physical corpse can with an undertaker. "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14). The "things Of the Spirit" signify contents of the Word of Truth, for they were penned under His immediate inspiration. The "natural man" is man in his fallen and unrenewed state while the sinner remains unregenerate, he "receiveth not" either the Divine Law or the Gospel. That requires a word of explication: the natural man can, and often does, receive the things of the Spirit in THE LETTER of them as so many propositions or statements, but he cannot apprehend them as does one who has been made the subject of a miracle of grace. They are "foolishness"—absurd, unattractive, distasteful to him. Yea, he "CANNOT KNOW THEM"— he is disqualified to perceive their verity and value; "because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned," and spiritual discernment he has none. The sinner has to be transformed from a natural into a SPIRITUAL man before he has any spiritual perception!
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Jesus does not save unbelieving stubborn rebellious people.
 
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