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  • #91
    Originally posted by jamie View Post
    Ok, highlight this in yellow or purple or whatever color you want.
    He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
    (John 1:3 NKJV)

    So what was made without him? Were the heavens and earth made without him?
    ...and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.
    (Colossians 3:10 NKJV)

    Were humans made without him?
    ...has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds. (Hebrews 1:2 NKJV)

    Were the worlds made without him?
    Consider the words: ...though whom also He made the worlds.

    Consider also Gen 1, the spirit of God moved across the face of the waters.
    The spiritual son is the spirit of God. All things were created by God through his spirit son. Who is the word in John 1.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
      Colossians 1:12-17
      12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
      13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
      14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
      15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
      16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
      17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


      An argument can be successfully made that everything I highlighted in YELLOW refers to the Father and everything highlighted in GREEN refers to the Son.
      Him who? Yahwah, or, Yahshua? The Old Testament says that ONLY Yahwah created all things. The Catholics removed the name of God from the New Testament scripts. Dressing up a lie as the truth is like lipstick on a pig.

      Colossians 1:16
      16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
      17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by jamie View Post
        Ok, highlight this in yellow or purple or whatever color you want.
        He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
        (John 1:3 NKJV)

        So what was made without him? Were the heavens and earth made without him?
        ...and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.
        (Colossians 3:10 NKJV)

        Were humans made without him?
        ...has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds. (Hebrews 1:2 NKJV)

        Were the worlds made without him?
        This does not agree with the Old Testament.
        Quote: "whom also He made the worlds."

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        • #94
          This is how it should read.

          Colossians 1:16
          16 For by Yahwah were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
          17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
            This is how it should read.

            Colossians 1:16
            16 For by Yahwah were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
            17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
            WRONG!! He is not talking about the Father. He is talking about Jesus.
            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

            Jim Elliot

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            • #96
              Originally posted by jamie View Post
              The NT speaks of our Father in heaven, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, I find it impossible to think of the Holy Spirit as a person.

              Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to rivers of living waters. A river is not a person.
              He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
              (John 7:38-39 NKJV)
              What happened to the Holy Spirit while Jesus was not yet glorified?
              Jesus said to the woman of Samaria, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:14 NKJV)
              How can a person be compared to a fountain of water?
              ...for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. (Revelation 7:17 NKJV)
              Again we have the reference to fountains of waters, not a person.

              It's not possible for me to think of the Holy Spirit as anything other than a manifestation of God's Spirit, i.e., his power.
              So your opinion out-weighs everything?

              The Holy Spirit is not some impersonal "force".
              Act 5:3-4 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
              You can't lie to a "force". You can ONLY lie to a PERSON. And this PERSON is GOD.
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                So your opinion out-weighs everything?

                The Holy Spirit is not some impersonal "force".
                Act 5:3-4 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
                You can't lie to a "force". You can ONLY lie to a PERSON. And this PERSON is GOD.
                To add to what you have said. The Spirit has;
                a mind, Romans 8:27
                a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11
                He speaks, Acts 8:29, 13:1
                He loves, Romans 15:20
                He grieves, Ephesians 4:30
                He prays, Romans 8:26

                Forces do not do those things, persons do.
                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                Jim Elliot

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                  So your opinion out-weighs everything?

                  The Holy Spirit is not some impersonal "force".
                  Act 5:3-4 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
                  You can't lie to a "force". You can ONLY lie to a PERSON. And this PERSON is GOD.
                  Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                  To add to what you have said. The Spirit has;
                  a mind, Romans 8:27
                  a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11
                  He speaks, Acts 8:29, 13:1
                  He loves, Romans 15:20
                  He grieves, Ephesians 4:30
                  He prays, Romans 8:26

                  Forces do not do those things, persons do.
                  Yep!
                  Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
                  Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post

                    Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                    So your opinion out-weighs everything?

                    The Holy Spirit is not some impersonal "force".
                    Act 5:3-4 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
                    You can't lie to a "force". You can ONLY lie to a PERSON. And this PERSON is GOD.


                    To add to what you have said. The Spirit has;
                    a mind, Romans 8:27
                    a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11
                    He speaks, Acts 8:29, 13:1
                    He loves, Romans 15:20
                    He grieves, Ephesians 4:30
                    He prays, Romans 8:26

                    Forces do not do those things, persons do.
                    Originally posted by steko View Post
                    Yep!
                    Yep!

                    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
                    They already know monsters exist.
                    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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                    • Originally posted by keypurr View Post
                      Consider the words: ...though whom also He made the worlds.

                      Consider also Gen 1, the spirit of God moved across the face of the waters.
                      The spiritual son is the spirit of God. All things were created by God through his spirit son. Who is the word in John 1.
                      My builder is "through whom" I built my house.

                      "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                      • Mat 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
                        This one verse, alone, proves the three in one doctrine.

                        ONE name -- THREE persons.
                        All of my ancestors are human.
                        Originally posted by Squeaky
                        That explains why your an idiot.
                        Originally posted by God's Truth
                        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                        • Originally posted by Caino View Post
                          My builder is "through whom" I built my house.
                          Amen, just like God using his son to build the Universe.
                          Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

                          Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

                          Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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                          • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                            This does not agree with the Old Testament.
                            Quote: "whom also He made the worlds."
                            You will need to dispute that with the author of Hebrews. I didn't write it, I just quoted it.

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                            • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                              This is how it should read.

                              Colossians 1:16
                              16 For by Yahwah were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
                              17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
                              What if we put verse 16 back into the context.
                              He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. (Colossians 1:15-18 NKJV)

                              The name "Yahwah" is not biblical.

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                              • Originally posted by keypurr View Post
                                Amen, just like God using his son to build the Universe.
                                Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
                                Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
                                Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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