The Trinity

[Truster]

I know the context. I have been reading the conversation, just not partaking in it. I simply wanted to applaud GT for an excellent point. That is all.


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You must be as blind as she is.

 

[God's Truth]

You must be as blind as she is.

So said the blind man.

 

[Eagles Wings]

Delete

 

[Eagles Wings]

EW, maybe you still want to feel comradeship with life is so good after she/he said this:



That is NOT what the scripture says!

You are going against the scripture.

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

"still want to feel comradeship"?

Spare me!

I Peter 1:2
The Father, Son, and Spirit are active in salvation. A unity of Trinity.

 

[jsanford108]

However, the context was OBEY TO BE SAVED, nevertheless.

The topic of the thread is "The Trinity," yet it has diverged into discussions of salvation. That is why I did not specifically address anything, adding on some praise of a good point.

Since you wish to drag me into this, I believe you have made the context "obey to be saved;" even then, It is really "faith alone" vs "faith+works." GT never said a person is saved by obeying, rather has highlighted that faith needs works to result in salvation. A common misapplication to those who hold "faith alone" doctrine is to say any other doctrine is "works alone," which is false and a dishonest tactic. There is my cents worth.


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[jsanford108]

You must be as blind as she is.

You got me. I can't "see" how anyone can be so ignorant of what is plainly written.


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[lifeisgood]

The topic of the thread is "The Trinity," yet it has diverged into discussions of salvation.

Yes, that happens when people deny the Trinity/Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) for God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) work to provide salvation.

That is why I did not specifically address anything, adding on some praise of a good point.

NP.

Since you wish to drag me into this,

No, you want to drag yourself into this; otherwise, you would not have made any comment about the comment.

I believe you have made the context "obey to be saved;" even then, It is really "faith alone" vs "faith+works."

gt's, premise, that a UNbeliever must obey to be saved.

GT never said a person is saved by obeying,

Yes, she has for years.

rather has highlighted that faith needs works to result in salvation.

Agreeing with gt's premise, you, jsanford108, are saying that your WORKS (obedience) will result in your salvation, which is totally contrary to what God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) declares.

Jesus said, ‘It is finished’. His finished work does not need your works to save you. He can save anyone all by Himself.

No OBEDIENCE needed TO BE SAVED only and exclusively BELIEVE. Only believe in Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary TO BE SAVED.

A common misapplication to those who hold "faith alone" doctrine is to say any other doctrine is "works alone," which is false and a dishonest tactic. There is my cents worth.

gt, says that you have TO OBEY and THEN God will SAVE you.

Which thinking about is the same thing you say being that you agree with gt's premise as you yourself wrote:

rather has highlighted that faith needs works to result in salvation.

 

[lifeisgood]

Now back to the Trinity:

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct from each other:

A) In the OT:
Gen. 1:1-3,26f; 11:7; 19:24; Neh. 9:20; Ps. 2:1-9; Prov. 30:4; Isa 6:8; 48:16; 63:11; Dan. 7:13f; Zech. 2:8-3:2.

B) In the Gospels:
Matt. 3:16; 4:1,6; 11:25-27; 12:32f; 14:23; 16:16f; 17:5; 22:44; 26:39,42; 27:46; 28:18f; Mark 1:1,8; 12:36; 13:32; 15:34; 16:19; Luke 4:18; 6:12; 11:13; 20:42f; 23:34,46; John 1:1f; 3:16-18,34-36; 5:19-23,26f,30f,36-38,43-45; 6:27,37-46; 8:17f; 11:41f: 13:1; 14:6,16f,23-31; 15:26; 16:13-16,25-28,32; 17:1-28; 20:17,21f.

C) In the Book of Acts:
Acts 2:22-36; 3:13-15, 19f, 26; 4:24-30; 7:55f; 10:34-42; 13:33-37; 15:8; 17:30f; 20:21.

D) In the Pauline Epistles:
Rom. 1:1-9; 1Cor. 1:1-9; 2:10f; 15:23-28; 2 Cor. 1:1-3; 2:14f; 3:3-6; 5:18-21; 13:14; Gal. 1:1-5; 4:4-6; Eph. 1:2-23; 2:1-10,18; 3:14-21; 4:4-6; 5:1f; 6:23; Phil. 1:2,11; 2:5-11; Col. 1:2f,19f; 2:2; 3:1; 1Thes. 1:1,3; 4:8; 5:9; 2Thes. 1:2; 2:13-17; 1Tim. 1:1f; 2Tim. 1:1f; 4:1; Tit 1:4; Phlm. 1:3.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I once was blind, but now I see. However in my blindness I found no reason to pretend I could see...

You want to bring others off the narrow path regardless of if you know it or not.

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[popsthebuilder]

What is for the Salvation of man is Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary EXCLUSIVELY.



The ONLY way of Salvation provided by God is Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary EXCLUSIVELY.

So you reaffirm your previous opinion that the teachings and example of the Christ of GOD are not for the guidance of any; got it.

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[popsthebuilder]

The only thing that will produce Salvation is faith in Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary EXCLUSIVELY.

Get a grip, popsthebuilder, you cannot do a minuscule thing to produce your own salvation; for Salvation is ALL of God and absolutely nothing of you, not even your faith belongs to you, for God has even provided that; otherwise, God would not be able to save you, had He not provided you with a measure of faith.

Okay okay, I get it; you think the teachings and example and Way that is the Christ is not for the salvation of guidance or man; only blood; got it.... Calm down

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[popsthebuilder]

Incorrect, gt, pretense is that a UNBELIEVER can OBEY Jesus' commandments TO BE SAVED.

How can a UNBELIEVER hope on repentance? What is the object of their hope for their repentance? What kind of repentance are they providing?, to what end? Repent toward what?

When you were a UNBELIEVER how much repentance did you provide to God? As a UNBELIEVER to which god did you present your repentance to. Think about it, popsthebuilder.

I hoped to change my ways and turn from my current direction.

Think about it yourself; no thought was needed for me to accept what was given to me freely.

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[Truster]

So you reaffirm your previous opinion that the teachings and example of the Christ of GOD are not for the guidance of any; got it.

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The NT precepts are a guide for the justified. You have no part in the precepts or the evangelism.

 

[God's Truth]

"still want to feel comradeship"?

Spare me!

I Peter 1:2
The Father, Son, and Spirit are active in salvation. A unity of Trinity.

Didn't you read how lifeisgood went against James 2:22?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Jesus came EXCLUSIVELY to die on the Cross of Calvary as the Father commissioned Him to do and that only at the TIME God told Him to die on the Cross of Calvary, while, He was waiting to receive the time from God, Jesus did many wonderful things to prove that He was God, for even the leaders could not but say, 'we have never seen somebody like this man.'

In Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary is The Life found. However, because you marhig, reject the blood of the Lamb, you can only see death death death and not life. What a shame. What a shame indeed.

For the preaching of Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work of the Cross is foolishness for those who willingly choose to perish....

So your position is that GOD came exclusively to kill himself and be a payment to himself for all the sin that man had by nature through creation?

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[God's Truth]

Now back to the Trinity:

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct from each other:

A) In the OT:
Gen. 1:1-3,26f; 11:7; 19:24; Neh. 9:20; Ps. 2:1-9; Prov. 30:4; Isa 6:8; 48:16; 63:11; Dan. 7:13f; Zech. 2:8-3:2.

B) In the Gospels:
Matt. 3:16; 4:1,6; 11:25-27; 12:32f; 14:23; 16:16f; 17:5; 22:44; 26:39,42; 27:46; 28:18f; Mark 1:1,8; 12:36; 13:32; 15:34; 16:19; Luke 4:18; 6:12; 11:13; 20:42f; 23:34,46; John 1:1f; 3:16-18,34-36; 5:19-23,26f,30f,36-38,43-45; 6:27,37-46; 8:17f; 11:41f: 13:1; 14:6,16f,23-31; 15:26; 16:13-16,25-28,32; 17:1-28; 20:17,21f.

C) In the Book of Acts:
Acts 2:22-36; 3:13-15, 19f, 26; 4:24-30; 7:55f; 10:34-42; 13:33-37; 15:8; 17:30f; 20:21.

D) In the Pauline Epistles:
Rom. 1:1-9; 1Cor. 1:1-9; 2:10f; 15:23-28; 2 Cor. 1:1-3; 2:14f; 3:3-6; 5:18-21; 13:14; Gal. 1:1-5; 4:4-6; Eph. 1:2-23; 2:1-10,18; 3:14-21; 4:4-6; 5:1f; 6:23; Phil. 1:2,11; 2:5-11; Col. 1:2f,19f; 2:2; 3:1; 1Thes. 1:1,3; 4:8; 5:9; 2Thes. 1:2; 2:13-17; 1Tim. 1:1f; 2Tim. 1:1f; 4:1; Tit 1:4; Phlm. 1:3.

You went against one scripture why not more?

 

[God's Truth]

Yes, that happens when people deny the Trinity/Triunity of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) for God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) work to provide salvation.



NP.



No, you want to drag yourself into this; otherwise, you would not have made any comment about the comment.



gt's, premise, that a UNbeliever must obey to be saved.



Yes, she has for years.



Agreeing with gt's premise, you, jsanford108, are saying that your WORKS (obedience) will result in your salvation, which is totally contrary to what God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) declares.

Jesus said, ‘It is finished’. His finished work does not need your works to save you. He can save anyone all by Himself.

No OBEDIENCE needed TO BE SAVED only and exclusively BELIEVE. Only believe in Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary TO BE SAVED.



gt, says that you have TO OBEY and THEN God will SAVE you.

Which thinking about is the same thing you say being that you agree with gt's premise as you yourself wrote:

God did not nail obedience to the cross.

 

[Truster]

You want to bring others off the narrow path regardless of if you know it or not.

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When I meet and speak with people who found the strait gate I recognise their ways and their words. I help them in each and every way I can.

You have never found nor passed through the strait gate so cut the nonsense about being in the narrow way.

 

[God's Truth]

We are saved by doing what Jesus says, and we stay saved by continuing to obey.

 

[God's Truth]

When I meet and speak with people who found the strait gate I recognise their ways and their words. I help them in each and every way I can.

You have never found nor passed through the strait gate so cut the nonsense about being in the narrow way.

There is no such scriptures that say what you say.